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[superimposed]

But it's still breeding, ignoring the fact that they take genetic code from the fathers.

[ObserverStatus]

superimposed wrote...

No, that isn't answer, in fact it's the very problem I'm raising.

A species are seperated by their inability to breed. If an Asari can breed with any other species in the galaxy then it's not really a seperate species is it?

They do not truly breed with other species in the sense that would define a species, they simply use other species to stimulate mutation.

[Computer_God91]

superimposed wrote...

No, that isn't answer, in fact it's the very problem I'm raising.

A species are seperated by their inability to breed. If an Asari can breed with any other species in the galaxy then it's not really a seperate species is it?

Well if your going to bring that up may as well ask why they look so human to. I think it has something to do with the way they "breed". Most Species breed through sexual or asexual reproduction. We don't know of any species that can reproduce using their minds and parthenogenisis.

[Nivenus]

Asari are all-female on a biological level. However, what Liara means when she says asari have no concept of gender is that because they have no men in their society, they don't think of individuals as male or female - their default assumption is probably just female (which to them, just means a person).

It's like if humans encountered a species with three sexes. We'd instinctively think of individuals as male or female and then get confused whenever someone of the third sex popped along.

Liara's not denying that asari are female. She's simply saying that to them, that doesn't mean anything, because they have nothing to compare it against.

[Collider]

Nivenus wrote...

Asari are all-female on a biological level. However, what Liara means when she says asari have no concept of gender is that because they have no men in their society, they don't think of individuals as male or female - their default assumption is probably just female (which to them, just means a person).

It's like if humans encountered a species with three sexes. We'd instinctively think of individuals as male or female and then get confused whenever someone of the third sex popped along.

Liara's not denying that asari are female. She's simply saying that to them, that doesn't mean anything, because they have nothing to compare it against.

You nailed this down. As you said, biologically they are female, but they are not quite women.

[Canned Bullets]

Do the Asari lay eggs?

[Computer_God91]

Collider wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

Asari are all-female on a biological level. However, what Liara means when she says asari have no concept of gender is that because they have no men in their society, they don't think of individuals as male or female - their default assumption is probably just female (which to them, just means a person).

It's like if humans encountered a species with three sexes. We'd instinctively think of individuals as male or female and then get confused whenever someone of the third sex popped along.

Liara's not denying that asari are female. She's simply saying that to them, that doesn't mean anything, because they have nothing to compare it against.

You nailed this down. As you said, biologically they are female, but they are not quite women.

How are they not quite Women? because there are no men?

[Computer_God91]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Do the Asari lay eggs?

I'm 99% sure Asari don't lay eggs

[superimposed]

Hold on...



Ok, so whether they use the magic brain powers or not, they are still taking (replicating) the genetic information of another species and mixing it with their own, presumably with a cell in 'stasis' capable of multiplying itself in a manner which would produce a fetus. They would still require the mixing of genetic information from two entirely different species, which wouldn't work unless the genetic information is sufficiently similar to that of the Asari.

Which would make the Asari capable of producing the mutations on their own anyway.

[KalosCast]

superimposed wrote...

Hold on...

Ok, so whether they use the magic brain powers or not, they are still taking (replicating) the genetic information of another species and mixing it with their own, presumably with a cell in 'stasis' capable of multiplying itself in a manner which would produce a fetus. They would still require the mixing of genetic information from two entirely different species, which wouldn't work unless the genetic information is sufficiently similar to that of the Asari.
Which would make the Asari capable of producing the mutations on their own anyway.

Yes. They explicitly state that they simply use their partner's genetic information to randomize their own fetus. I assume that if their parter was 0% compatible, they'd have a clone.

[superimposed]

Then the entire premise of Asari need to mate with other species is false.

[Eddo36]

This is just a shortened excerpt from codex Asari: Biology

Although asari have one gender, they are not asexual. An asari provides two copies of her own genes to her offspring. The second set is altered in a unique process called melding.

During melding, an asari consciously attunes her nervous system to her partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through the skin. The partner can be another asari, or an alien of either gender. Effectively, the asari and her partner briefly become one unified nervous system.

This unique means of reproduction is the reason asari are talented biotics. Their evolved ability to consciously control nerve impulses is very similar to biotic training. Asari believe that their offspring acquire the best qualities of the "father" from the melded genes, but evidence is anecdotal.

[Computer_God91]

superimposed wrote...

Then the entire premise of Asari need to mate with other species is false.

They do need to, they like to so they can randomize they geneics better.

[superimposed]

melded genes

Which is the problem. They could not accept the blueprints of another species' genes unless those genes were sufficiently similar to the Asari's themselves, which would make the Asari capable of producing those mutations without the other species.



Unless, of course, someone cares to offer an explanation of how the Asari managed to reach the evolutionary point they are now in the absence of random mutation.

[Jestina]

Salarians are the ones that lay eggs.

[KalosCast]

superimposed wrote...

Then the entire premise of Asari need to mate with other species is false.

They don't need to, the didn't before they found other sentient life, there's just cultural pressure and prejudice against "purebloods"

[Computer_God91]

superimposed wrote...

melded genes

Which is the problem. They could not accept the blueprints of another species' genes unless those genes were sufficiently similar to the Asari's themselves, which would make the Asari capable of producing those mutations without the other species.

Unless, of course, someone cares to offer an explanation of how the Asari managed to reach the evolutionary point they are now in the absence of random mutation.

And now I recommend you ask Bioware because they made this mess, Clean it up!

[Nivenus]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

Asari are all-female on a biological level. However, what Liara means when she says asari have no concept of gender is that because they have no men in their society, they don't think of individuals as male or female - their default assumption is probably just female (which to them, just means a person).

It's like if humans encountered a species with three sexes. We'd instinctively think of individuals as male or female and then get confused whenever someone of the third sex popped along.

Liara's not denying that asari are female. She's simply saying that to them, that doesn't mean anything, because they have nothing to compare it against.

You nailed this down. As you said, biologically they are female, but they are not quite women.

How are they not quite Women? because there are no men?

Essentially. Basically it's that they have no conception of what a "woman" would be. Furthermore, while there is strong evidence that men and women in humans do have underlying psychological and physiological differences (besides the obvious that is), a lot of what defines male and female identity in our lives is cultural. Hence, the distinction between sex (anatomical) and gender (cultural). To asari, who have only one sex, there is essentially no gender.

[Computer_God91]

Nivenus wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

Asari are all-female on a biological level. However, what Liara means when she says asari have no concept of gender is that because they have no men in their society, they don't think of individuals as male or female - their default assumption is probably just female (which to them, just means a person).

It's like if humans encountered a species with three sexes. We'd instinctively think of individuals as male or female and then get confused whenever someone of the third sex popped along.

Liara's not denying that asari are female. She's simply saying that to them, that doesn't mean anything, because they have nothing to compare it against.

You nailed this down. As you said, biologically they are female, but they are not quite women.

How are they not quite Women? because there are no men?

Essentially. Basically it's that they have no conception of what a "woman" would be. Furthermore, while there is strong evidence that men and women in humans do have underlying psychological and physiological differences (besides the obvious that is), a lot of what defines male and female identity in our lives is cultural. Hence, the distinction between sex (anatomical) and gender (cultural). To asari, who have only one sex, there is essentially no gender.

Asari still act like our women though and look like women. For a race with no conception of what a woman is they are good at being woman-like.

[superimposed]

'Gender' is not cultural. It is a synonym for Sex.

underlying psychological and physiological differences

Physiological? Yes.

Psychological? No.



The asari are female because they take genetic information from a father, and then use it to 'fertilise' whatever the hell it is they have inside them.

[Computer_God91]

superimposed wrote...
The asari are female because they take genetic information from a father, and then use it to 'fertilise' whatever the hell it is they have inside them.

What if inside them they have an egg like a human but instead it requiring another cell to fertilize it, its already fertilized and by melding with a different species or their own it randomizes the genetic code of what in our case would be the fathers contribution (his genetics).

I think I just described what the codex said but whatever.

[Nivenus]

Gender is cultural.



http://www.who.int/g...r/en/index.html



It's sometimes used as a synonym for sex, but that's not its technical definition.

[Computer_God91]

Nivenus wrote...

Gender is cultural.

http://www.who.int/g...r/en/index.html

It's sometimes used as a synonym for sex, but that's not its technical definition.

Ok, then the Asari's sex is Female. Gender: Neither?

[Nivenus]

elektrego wrote...

well, i am just curious, how did you go straight from liara's sand remark to her sexual organs; this is not necessarily so?!
And apparently you do prevent yourself from understanding by not reading the answers correctly or ignoring them on purpose.

It was pretty clearly inuendo. BioWare likes to sneak in jokes like that from time to time. DA:O is absolutely rife with them.