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[Lemonwizard]

It doesn't matter if you swore you were going to go all the way and make every single paragon/renegade decision this time around, everybody has that one situation pop up where that decision rolls around and it just bugs them too much to make it. What is yours?



For me, no matter how renegade I am I can never kill Shiala. She's just obviously on your side and trying to help you, so I can't kill her on tactical grounds, and even if she weren't cooperative she could have valuable intelligence. All the bad things she did were under indoctrination so I can't kill her on moral grounds as she wasn't in control of herself. There's no justification for it, no matter how ends justify the means you are or how paranoid you are. Unless you're just a recklessly killing her out of spite, ignoring how useful she could be. It just seems willfully ignorant and I can never do it.


I can also never, even on the most paragon-y of paragons, defend the Illusive man to my squadmates on the collector ship. I don't care how forgiving or willing to see the good side of people you are, I cannot play idiot Shepard. Just pisses me off too much.


Similarly, I feel like shooting Marvin in the face is something the game pushes you into way too much. It's really really tempting, and hard not to do when Jules drives the car over that bump, but it's really senseless. He's not that bad of a guy and on top of that it doesn't serve any useful purpose to the plot but force you to do all that cover up BS. I have no idea why anybody would choose to do this.



But those are just me. What are the decisions you guys can never seem to do in any of your playthroughs?

[Lumikki]

Of course there is allways decision what you think did I choose right. How ever, I played paragon and had simple rule agaist any living thing. I don't kill anyone, if I don't have to. Doesn't matter what the person has done or is going to do in future. I still could rest them or get them rested for they crimes.

Modifié par Lumikki, 31 mai 2010 - 08:05 .

[KalosCast]

I can't not headbutt the Krogan.

[Dark_Caduceus]

...Marvin?

[Collider]

In ME2:
(no particular order)
a. Not doing Miranda's loyalty mission
b. Giving the evidence at Tali's trial
c. Saving the collector base
d. Not doing Samara's loyalty mission
e. Saving Morinth

I can't remember any other ones. Those 5 came to mind. They just seem too cruel or not right. 

Modifié par Collider, 31 mai 2010 - 08:06 .

[Lemonwizard]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

...Marvin?

You disappoint me.

[Nightwriter]

This question has much to do with roleplaying, yes? Roleplaying a character and then making decisions as that character - or trying to. Sometimes we slip.

I admit I'm not much of a roleplayer. All my characters seem to work from a place of logic.

But, there are several things I just can't do either - I can't defend TIM (I question why it's paragon to do so). I can't not shoot the gas tank to set the krogan on fire. Or are we talking major decisions?

[Zulu_DFA]

Lumikki wrote...

Of course there is allways decision what you think did I choose right. How ever, I played paragon and had simple rule agaist any living thing. I don't kill anyone, if I don't have to. Doesn't matter what the person has done or is going to do in future. I still could rest them or get them rested for they crimes.

How many living beings did you expend during your squadmates' loyalty missions? You know, you didn't have to do any of them.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 31 mai 2010 - 08:09 .

[Lemonwizard]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Of course there is allways decision what you think did I choose right. How ever, I played paragon and had simple rule agaist any living thing. I don't kill anyone, if I don't have to. Doesn't matter what the person has done or is going to do in future. I still could rest them or get them rested for they crimes.

How many living beings did you expend during your squadmates' loyalty missions? You know, you didn't have to do any of them.

Ah, but what measure is a mook?

[Lumikki]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Of course there is allways decision what you think did I choose right. How ever, I played paragon and had simple rule agaist any living thing. I don't kill anyone, if I don't have to. Doesn't matter what the person has done or is going to do in future. I still could rest them or get them rested for they crimes.

How many living beings did you expend during your squadmates' loyalty missions? You know, you didn't have to do any of them.

You mean not doing loyalty mission and this way avoid alot of killing?
Of course, but then I could have sleep in my bed hole time and avoid all killing.

It's a question between someone attacking you and you doing cruel thing and execute someone.
Also it's the different between what is necassarity for you mission and what's not.

If I example not execute "Fist", what different does it make for my mission, do I it or not.. If I how ever do or not squad members loyalty mission, how would I know how it's affecting squad members performance while critical mission situation.

Modifié par Lumikki, 31 mai 2010 - 08:38 .

[Lumikki]

Oops double post..

Modifié par Lumikki, 31 mai 2010 - 08:22 .

[Christmas Ape]

I'll be honest, I find immediately condemning TIM on the Collector vessel to be "idiot Shepard", or at least not thinking it through. He didn't sink 6.x billion credits, one of his best agents, and the rest of the crew into an elaborate plan to sell you to the Collectors - the moment it was clear he knew what was going on my brain shouted "calculated risk! Okay, now I understand what kind of a man he is".





For my sake, Mr. Taylor has never left that planet alive, no matter how much a given Shepard values life, human life, or even the law. I imagine they've felt bad aboard the Kodiak, and possibly been sick aboard the Normandy over it, but right there on scene, the glassy stares and fumbling, frightened words of his camp women dancing in our eyes and ringing in our ears, disgust always wins out and he gets no more consideration than a leech stuck to your foot. The kind Shepards have him shot - the rest leave him to his mess.



I've never had a Shepard who was hard enough to pull the genocide switch. Zhu's Hope is a graveyard, the Council is doomed, and everybody that's given me a problem and the option has been shot in the face: Fist, Ethan Jeong, Marvin, Finch, Balak...



But somehow, the extermination of a unique, sapient species just seems a step too far. The Thorian never gives you the option, but the Queen...not once.



Which makes me wonder: is the acid bath as viscerally awful a scene as shooting Wrex was? I felt a little nauseous the first time, and every time since (done purely for the Renegade points on 1st playthroughs of level 60 import characters) I've had to mute it before I select the option.

[MarshalMeLee]

I'm paragon, but I could never stand listening to that Krogan Clanspeaker.



Sorry dude, you're going up in flames.

[Spartas Husky]

MarshalMeLee wrote...

I'm paragon, but I could never stand listening to that Krogan Clanspeaker.

Sorry dude, you're going up in flames.

I dont get why is paragon renegade to catch somebody off guard.

Is parago suppose to be "fight with a moral compass but with a military mind" not "fight 18th century style of honor at the cost of somebody blasting you witha  shotgun"

If the dude is speaking is just efficient to catch him off guard....never understood why is a "renegade" option to shoot the tank....

or IN miri's recruitment to break the guys neck off and the like.<_<

[thatguy212]

Lemonwizard wrote...
Similarly, I feel like shooting Marvin in the face is something the game pushes you into way too much. It's really really tempting, and hard not to do when Jules drives the car over that bump, but it's really senseless. He's not that bad of a guy and on top of that it doesn't serve any useful purpose to the plot but force you to do all that cover up BS. I have no idea why anybody would choose to do this.

The car didn't hit no motherf***king bump

[HighMoon]

Recruiting Morinth... Poor Samara.

[Barquiel]

ME1
I can't...
- execute Shiala and Rana Thanoptis
- kill the council (I would miss the turian councilor in ME2^_^)
- kill the rachni queen

ME2
- save the collector base

Modifié par Barquiel, 31 mai 2010 - 08:54 .

[Lemonwizard]

Spartas Husky wrote...

MarshalMeLee wrote...

I'm paragon, but I could never stand listening to that Krogan Clanspeaker.

Sorry dude, you're going up in flames.

I dont get why is paragon renegade to catch somebody off guard.

Is parago suppose to be "fight with a moral compass but with a military mind" not "fight 18th century style of honor at the cost of somebody blasting you witha  shotgun"

If the dude is speaking is just efficient to catch him off guard....never understood why is a "renegade" option to shoot the tank....

or IN miri's recruitment to break the guys neck off and the like.<_<

Because a paragon refuses to resort to violence until it's clear that the opponent is unwilling to negotiate. Compared to renegade, who doesn't care and takes the first opening he gets.

[Foolsfolly]

All my Paragons headbutt Uvenk and shoot the monologing krogan.



Likewise, Miranda's mission where the guy says he's had snipers lining up their shots...it just seems too stupid to allow them to attack first after that. You've tried reasoning with the Eclipse and now they're telling you they have snipers on you.



My Renegades cannot ever turn the Collector Base over to Cerberus. That's a huge mistake. The Illusive Man does not have the wisdom, intelligence, or cunning to use that base....I doubt anyone does. Any knowledge gained from keeping the base is likely already gotten from EDI since it's clear that the Base has no defenses they wouldn't expect an AI to hack their systems (in fact, she gets info rather quickly on the Reaper Larva due to their lack of cyber defense).



Also, I gotta hug Tali. Her dad just died on the day that she was accused of treason. It's a rough day.

[Lemonwizard]

thatguy212 wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...
Similarly, I feel like shooting Marvin in the face is something the game pushes you into way too much. It's really really tempting, and hard not to do when Jules drives the car over that bump, but it's really senseless. He's not that bad of a guy and on top of that it doesn't serve any useful purpose to the plot but force you to do all that cover up BS. I have no idea why anybody would choose to do this.

The car didn't hit no motherf***king bump

Well pull over or something, find a friendly place.

[Spartas Husky]

Lemonwizard wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

MarshalMeLee wrote...

I'm paragon, but I could never stand listening to that Krogan Clanspeaker.

Sorry dude, you're going up in flames.

I dont get why is paragon renegade to catch somebody off guard.

Is parago suppose to be "fight with a moral compass but with a military mind" not "fight 18th century style of honor at the cost of somebody blasting you witha  shotgun"

If the dude is speaking is just efficient to catch him off guard....never understood why is a "renegade" option to shoot the tank....

or IN miri's recruitment to break the guys neck off and the like.<_<

Because a paragon refuses to resort to violence until it's clear that the opponent is unwilling to negotiate. Compared to renegade, who doesn't care and takes the first opening he gets.

.....hmmmm. yeah....thats not my definition. But I understand yours nevertheless.

Well, from my view....you can tell who is a fanatic....I guess its intuition....yeha nvm. Soon as I heard the Clan speaker go through the 2nd sentence, I realized....yeah he is a fanatic no point giving him a chance...pop pop..

[Keltoris]

KalosCast wrote...

I can't not headbutt the Krogan.

This.

I also can't push the guy out the window because the intimidate line afterwards is sooooooo much more sinister.

[brain_damage]

Kill Rana Thanoptis. I really like her, for some unknown to me reason.

Give Tali's evidence during the Trial.

Let my crew die on the collector base.

[nhsk]

ME1 - Kill Shiala, there is just no reason to do so as she doesn't fight back - Killing her it just outright stupid and borderline criminal.

ME2 - Let the Eclipse merc go in Thane's recruitment mission - He just partipated in the gunning down unarmed civilians, no way he is going to get away.

[EffectedByTheMasses]

MarshalMeLee wrote...

I'm paragon, but I could never stand listening to that Krogan Clanspeaker.

Sorry dude, you're going up in flames.

Same here. Actually, what happens if you don't take that option?