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[Giggles_Manically]

Both my sisters squee over Alister, I gets weird, I have to yell " No squeaing on my laptop!"

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 01 juin 2010 - 06:47 .

[SRWill64]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I am not trying to be a troll and I geniuly find Alister to be a good friend in game and quite funny. However instead of being a blinkin GREY WARDEN when the cards are down, when things do not go his way he storms off. If he can accept my Mage who let a blood mage loose, or my Dwarf Commenor who flat out loved being a thug, the Landsmeet just seems to be a little out of charachter (just found out the OOC means that this weekend go me)

5% of my hate goes to Alister the rest goes to Morrigan for those not in the know.
I am going to watch firefly for now so relaxing it is.

He sticks with you through the whole unfolding crap this Blight turns out to be, accepts every decision that you make whether he likes it or not, is a true and supportive friend, then you turn around and accept the traitorous bastard into the Grey Wardens after Alistair practially begs you not to, and you think it's HIS problem? You just betrayed him and turned the Wardens into something I wouldn't want anything to do with either!

100% of MY hate goes to Loghain for betrayal after betrayal, killing Cailan and the rest of the Ferelden Grey Wardens, poisoning Arl Eamon, having Arl Howe all but destroy the Cousland bloodline, trying to wipe out the Theirin bloodline, and trying to take the throne for himself! Let's not count how many times he betrayed Maric...who knows, maybe Loghain killed Maric, too. 

[SRWill64]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

hmm I guess you succeded on your persuade check on me kessio. However the Landsmeet is still annoying, If Riordian had told us before hand instead of being Dr. Herp Derp it may have gone different. Alister places the Warden in command yet after being a horrible, muderous, violent, rascist, blood mage in one case this is what put him over the edge?

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ABOUT THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL'S BACK?????

[SRWill64]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I read that last word wrong and went face first into the gutter.

Riordian:Let Loghain become a grey warden
Warden: M kay
Alister: NO!!!
Loghain: I think - (SMACK)
L:oh my, what is this? I dont even...
R:That was mature alister
W: Im sure Duncan would approve of throwing your small clothes..
AL:Its suddenly a little cold in here

guess what I am thinking! Cookies for the winner

OMG! I don't think so....

[SRWill64]

Arttis wrote...

see it from loghains POV hes an old war vet who would do anything to save his country.
I let Lohgain live because alistair wasnt thinking like a grey warden.*do whatever it takes to defeat darkspawn*rejecting a powerful recruit would not help them but accepting them would.Also they should have talked about the war ferelden had with orlais so more people could understand lohgain better.
Alistair to me was 65% ok 35% not ok.

Powerful? HAH! Loghain is not anywhere NEAR as powerful as Alistair can be! I know from experience!

[SRWill64]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Umm asorted ladies, and gentlemen who play ladies perhaps we should move this to the Alister gush thread. If our wardens do continue in the next game, I wonder what will happen to drunk Alister?
The Devs have confirmed that he regrets running off later.

Alistair is KING in Awakening, you dolt! Right where he deserves to be!

[SRWill64]

Maria13 wrote...

One of the best game characters, most layered and detailed every created.

And super sexy awesome of course!!!

OH YEAH!!!!! (Snoopy happy dance! )

[woofyhugger]

Alistair is awesomesauce. His humour and charm is well written. I want to have his babies but he's just a bunch of pixels so that's fairly useless.. oh and I'm male so that makes it a bit hard too. Pardon the pun.

[Bartimaeus616]

woofyhugger wrote...

Alistair is awesomesauce. His humour and charm is well written. I want to have his babies but he's just a bunch of pixels so that's fairly useless.. oh and I'm male so that makes it a bit hard too. Pardon the pun.

Totally agree, alistair is actually the best character I have ever seen in any game

and yeah, I'm male, but I would totally have his babies lol

[Giggles_Manically]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

SRWill64 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Umm asorted ladies, and gentlemen who play ladies perhaps we should move this to the Alister gush thread. If our wardens do continue in the next game, I wonder what will happen to drunk Alister?
The Devs have confirmed that he regrets running off later.

Alistair is KING in Awakening, you dolt! Right where he deserves to be!

G_M is trolling, please don't encourage him. The Devs have not confirmed a canon for Dragon Age Origins.

Alistair is King in the Awakening for orlesian wardens and origin characters imported before the landsmeet.

I am not trolling I am simply talking, a troll intentionally tries to get people angry, people are jumping down my throat for disecting their favourite charachter in a game. To note Alister is awsome, but him ignoring the basic concept of the Grey Wardens is a personal one that annoys me.

There is a story in the French Foreign Legion, where a man has to work side by side with the man who killed his brother,  and although he hated him, after a while they worked toghther and got over their issues. The Legion operates around a precept like the wardens of accepting any many no matter his crimes. Alister until the Landsmeet is cool, yet he is the only one with the problem.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 02 juin 2010 - 03:39 .

[Arthur Cousland]

Overall, I liked Alistair. Nice sense of humor, and a war buddy/brother figure to my warden pc.



With the landsmeet part, I think Bioware could have handled that a bit better perhaps. Througout most of the game, Alistair is somewhat of a whiner, and lets the brand new grey warden lead when he should have at least shown interest in leading. Then all of a sudden, if you try to spare Loghain, Alistair shows a backbone for the first time. I would have liked to see more of that side of him during the game, rather than the Alistair who needs a tissue every time Duncan's name is mentioned, or who wants to run off and hide when his name is mentioned by Eamon to become king.

[Patriciachr34]

SRWill64 wrote...
He sticks with you through the whole unfolding crap this Blight turns out to be, accepts every decision that you make whether he likes it or not, is a true and supportive friend, then you turn around and accept the traitorous bastard into the Grey Wardens after Alistair practially begs you not to, and you think it's HIS problem? You just betrayed him and turned the Wardens into something I wouldn't want anything to do with either!

100% of MY hate goes to Loghain for betrayal after betrayal, killing Cailan and the rest of the Ferelden Grey Wardens, poisoning Arl Eamon, having Arl Howe all but destroy the Cousland bloodline, trying to wipe out the Theirin bloodline, and trying to take the throne for himself! Let's not count how many times he betrayed Maric...who knows, maybe Loghain killed Maric, too. 

This.

I also keep thinking of Sophia Dryden.  She started a rebellion and failed.  She then used the grey wardens as her personal army to perpetuate what she started.  Truly bad mojo there.

One other thought here, I believe that there are some crimes that should not go unpunished, meaning the culprits should not be recruitable to the grey wardens.  Regicide is right up there with pedophiles, rapists, psychopaths, sociopaths, sadists, etc.  Yes we need to defeat the blight by any means possible.  However, if we alienate the populace then we cannot gather the support we need for our sole purpose.

Finally, I do not trust Loghain.  His dillusion is such that he will always see me and my motivations as a threat.  I need to focus on killing the arch demon without having to worry whether or not I become a victim of "friendly fire".  I know Alistair will always have my back.  Loghain will not.  And, to ensure success, we need all grey wardens present to face the arch demon.  This is why I always kill Loghain.

[Arthur Cousland]

I would have liked to have seen more of the Alistair who gets so upset if Loghain is recruited. Throughout the game, Alistair doesn't want to lead or become king, and is brought to tears every time Duncan's name is mentioned. Then, he pulls a 360 and leaves the party at the landsmeet. How can he protest so dramatically after he wanted nothing to do with leadership up to that point.

[Patriciachr34]

Alistair sees Loghain as the man who murdered his mentor and massacred is friends. Then you, in all of your wisdom, embrace this monster and want him to be your "brother". Dude, where's your empathy? Are you truly that cold that you could betray your friend like that?

[Dileos]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

Alistair sees Loghain as the man who murdered his mentor and massacred is friends. Then you, in all of your wisdom, embrace this monster and want him to be your "brother". Dude, where's your empathy? Are you truly that cold that you could betray your friend like that?

Being a Grey Warden isn't about being friends with everyone, its about doing what it takes to win. Loghain has commanded armies before, Alistair admited to puting the wrong shoe on the wrong foot some mornings.

Who's a better pick?

[DahliaLynn]

If you notice, even Loghains first officer admits that he has gone mad. (right before the landsmeet) ..all for Ferelden. If I as the warden choose to take loghain on my team,--i.e. a good strong ally, I am no better than Loghains cold and calculating self. (thinking for the good of Ferelden at ANY price, like selling elves poisoning the Arl...etc ..to what end?he even Mocks the Wardens order!)  He has become a monster, and the one thing that keeps me sane is my morals. Alistair shares these morals, and he is absolutely right in getting pissed at any type possible mercy to Loghain. Yes he commanded armies, he has lost much blood, he made excellent decisions, and what has become of him? A robotic lunatic who has lost his humanity and is willing to sacrifice everything ...for the "good of Ferelden". too much...and Alistair is probably the one sane person that brings perspective back into view in his insistence.
And after all the battles won with Alistair, whiny or not, dyslexic or not, he proves to be a strong warrior despite his weaknesses, and Loghain is not a worthy replacement on any level. I would never allow him to simply waltz on our team as if everything is ok, leaving a devoted and priceless Alistair to curse the day he ventured the impossible mission.

Besides, everyone keeps questioning things, when humans in real life can be quite surprising. I don't think anyone takes that into account.

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 03 juin 2010 - 12:02 .

[Giggles_Manically]

If anyone actually talked to Loghain he never wanted the throne for power he just kept justifying more and more bad descions because of his hatred of Orlasis. Also if any of you had read the books Loghain saw his mother raped in front of him by Orlesians, so I think he has a valid reason for hating them. Also if you listen to his banter with Wynne he really hates himself for leaving those men behind at Ostagar because he knew them. Cailian was being a ****** and I really didnt care for him as a king, he should have been commanding his men, not going toe to toe against the spawn.



While Alistair has a good point, he first off ignores one of the basic precepts of being a warden, that is accepting anyone, and everyone. He then leaves the entire country to be ravaged by the blight when he could not act like an adult. While Loghain impressed me by facing the archdemon and giving his life. So in short Alistair runs like a brat, while Loghain died like a man, I know who I am voting for

[Giggles_Manically]

Here is a statement, all Alistair fangirls believe that Loghain is the DEVIL, and will never see otherwise.

[janeym27]

It would have been nice to have an option to banish Loghain or something, so it doesn't come down to "Kill him, or lose Alistair." My warden wouldn't have trusted Loghain to fight with her, but the execution seems unjust at that point: lack of trial, etc. And Alistair does totally lose sight of the bigger picture (which, considering he will dump a love intrest if made king, out of a sense of 'duty', seems totally OOC unless he was hardened. It does irritate me). I know that that would undermine the 'choice and consequence' thing, but I felt that that was a choice that the game forced on us by having Alistair break character, so it was unwarrented. (I wonder if he'd have reacted like that did he know about the sacrifice necessary to defeat the archdemon. Loghain could have redeemed himself in death after all.)



It really frustrates me, because until that point, Alistair has his eye totally on the prize (he'll even disapprove if the warden talks about the romance being more important than stopping the blight). And Riordan makes a compelling case for recruiting him.



Of course, the easy way around this is to have Alistair fight the duel. He doesn't pause, he simply executes. You avoid that whole debate/choice.

[DahliaLynn]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Here is a statement, all Alistair fangirls believe that Loghain is the DEVIL, and will never see otherwise.

Actually, I thought about it quite a bit. And I have finished the stolen throne. It really simply depends on the fate you choose. that's what it comes down to. Fate is constantly redesigned with every choice you make, so it is hard to judge "beforehand".

I won't be pro Alistair to the death if I feel he's wrong.
In fact, I really wanted to feel compassion for Loghain. I truly wanted to like him during the Stolen throne. I was hoping to find some sort of weakness, and there was, but not enough for me to really --feel-- for him. (his mother I can understand), but his heart was too cold for me to handle, and something kept holding me back from finding compassion for the man.

other than cold ccalculating and heartless, his only positive aspect is his ability to create excellent war plans. That isn't enough to conince me that he is worthy of joining the team after all he has done.

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 03 juin 2010 - 12:23 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I love how people say "ragh kill Loghain for what he did" yet they behead him publically in front of his daughter without a trial. All to keep little Duncan Needy Ali happy. Just what I have noticed

behind peoples reasoning on the Landsmeet



But yes Loghain comes off as cold and calculating in DA, especially in Ostogar and the Alienage.

[woofyhugger]

I hate that Anders looks and sounds so much like Alistair. There can be only one Alistair.. but Anders wins my vote too, because he is very Alistair-esque. I'm sure they are half brothers.

[Bartimaeus616]

woofyhugger wrote...

I hate that Anders looks and sounds so much like Alistair. There can be only one Alistair.. but Anders wins my vote too, because he is very Alistair-esque. I'm sure they are half brothers.

really? ugh no, i can't stand anders, the only reason i left him on my team was because he was a useful spirit healer, otherwise i think i would have just killed him

he just irritates me......

but i agree, there can only be one alistair, I just hope that he's gonna be in some more games, otherwise they're gonna try and recreate him (like anders) and it will just fail every time :/

[janeym27]

I know. DA:A was a wasted oppertunity. 'Expansion Pack' made me think the story would continue, but nooooooooooooooooo. Sigh.



I almost wish thst DA would do the Mass Effect thing and carry over with living wardens, I want to see how Ali and mine do at rebuilding the Grey Wardens and killing things together.