Hey, I see flaws in ME2 (planet scanning, anyone?). But many of the things that the "ME2 is 'sploshions" set object to are just differences of technique, not quality. And ME2 is one of the best narrative focused games I've ever played.
SSV Enterprise wrote...
Stop assuming that just because someone likes Mass Effect 2, they are somehow unintelligent. YOU are the one being childish and narrow-minded for thinking that.
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Modifié par slimgrin, 04 juin 2010 - 05:24 .
slimgrin wrote...
Actually, I see selective recognition so often on these forums. Reading comprehension is failing some poor souls.
As soon as people see the word 'inventory' the rest of us get to read a canned response about character and story. Never mind the context of the sentence. "He said inventory goddamit! Inventory bad! Inventory = ME1, Inventory = SATAN!!!!
Meanwhile, RPG's continue to have stats, scary numbers, and inventories; and all these games have managed to sell for years.
Shotokanguy wrote...
Oh darn, deleting everything from my post doesn't delete the topic
It was worth a try, this topic is a waste of space now.
Kalfear wrote...
SSV Enterprise wrote...
Stop assuming that just because someone likes Mass Effect 2, they are somehow unintelligent. YOU are the one being childish and narrow-minded for thinking that.
Look at the post above you and see the normal type thats on YOUR SIDE OF THE ARGUEMENT!
Maybe im not being fair to you but seriously, how fair you going to be when 1 in 30 is level headed.
Your dislike and anger is going to show through!
Again, look at post before you and tell me how (that being far more typical type of reply from the pro shooter crowd then you might like to admit) open minded you would really be.
As for Shaman, it was nice and all that but it wasnt ground breaking or immersive as you like to claim. Far to little to late.
To do Grunt right you should have built slowly to the mental break down with multiple cut screens showing his worsening attitude and mental state as you explore his psyc rather then (again) Roar, bash bash, shhot shoot, all fixed.
And just because Krogan are a war like race doesnt mean EVERYTHING about them has to be solved with bullets!
You were invited to visit the female camp, where is that part of game to create immersiveness and back story? As is usual in ME2, you get the invite and never hear about it again.
And Jacks loyalty test was freaking terrible because it got so close so often to actually having a emotional connection and then just stopped and left you scratching your head!
Actually Jacks mission is the mission that pissed me off the most in whole game and if you want to know why, follow link in my signature and read al about it as I write up its short falls in detail on a forum that allows spoilers (unlike this one).
Seriously SSV, you want to have a complete write up with people agreeing with me and open mature discussion on the matter and how ME2 misses the mark in so many places its not funny, click on my signature and read (dont reply as its a old thread and Javier will lock it if bumped up...I dont know why either, its just what he always does with old threads that get bumped by people)
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SuperMedbh wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
Actually, I see selective recognition so often on these forums. Reading comprehension is failing some poor souls.
As soon as people see the word 'inventory' the rest of us get to read a canned response about character and story. Never mind the context of the sentence. "He said inventory goddamit! Inventory bad! Inventory = ME1, Inventory = SATAN!!!!
Meanwhile, RPG's continue to have stats, scary numbers, and inventories; and all these games have managed to sell for years.
Aw, c'mon, Slim. I don't think you're ebil. I'm just saying that I don't think stats are necessary for an RPG. I also realize that the "less transparency" camp is a small one in gaming circles, but I'm not sure that it will remain so.
A simple compromise is to have the stats available in the manual or some such, but not make them apparent in the actual gameplay.
slimgrin wrote...
SuperMedbh wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
Actually, I see selective recognition so often on these forums. Reading comprehension is failing some poor souls.
As soon as people see the word 'inventory' the rest of us get to read a canned response about character and story. Never mind the context of the sentence. "He said inventory goddamit! Inventory bad! Inventory = ME1, Inventory = SATAN!!!!
Meanwhile, RPG's continue to have stats, scary numbers, and inventories; and all these games have managed to sell for years.
Aw, c'mon, Slim. I don't think you're ebil. I'm just saying that I don't think stats are necessary for an RPG. I also realize that the "less transparency" camp is a small one in gaming circles, but I'm not sure that it will remain so.
A simple compromise is to have the stats available in the manual or some such, but not make them apparent in the actual gameplay.
For the record, I don't think Inventories make an RPG. Secondly, ME2 can get away with generalizations because there are relatively few upgrades. How would Diablo do with purely verbal descriptions for all the weapons, or Oblivion? There are simply too many options in those titles. So numbers are needed. But there is also a heavier emphasis on freedom of choice and strategy in those games. Bioware focuses on story above all.
Kalfear wrote...
Look at the post above you and see the normal type thats on YOUR SIDE OF THE ARGUEMENT!
Maybe im not being fair to you but seriously, how fair you going to be when 1 in 30 is level headed.
Your dislike and anger is going to show through!
Again, look at post before you and tell me how (that being far more typical type of reply from the pro shooter crowd then you might like to admit) open minded you would really be.
As for Shaman, it was nice and all that but it wasnt ground breaking or immersive as you like to claim. Far to little to late.
To do Grunt right you should have built slowly to the mental break down with multiple cut screens showing his worsening attitude and mental state as you explore his psyc rather then (again) Roar, bash bash, shhot shoot, all fixed.
And just because Krogan are a war like race doesnt mean EVERYTHING about them has to be solved with bullets!
You were invited to visit the female camp, where is that part of game to create immersiveness and back story? As is usual in ME2, you get the invite and never hear about it again.
And Jacks loyalty test was freaking terrible because it got so close so often to actually having a emotional connection and then just stopped and left you scratching your head!
Actually Jacks mission is the mission that pissed me off the most in whole game and if you want to know why, follow link in my signature and read al about it as I write up its short falls in detail on a forum that allows spoilers (unlike this one).
Seriously SSV, you want to have a complete write up with people agreeing with me and open mature discussion on the matter and how ME2 misses the mark in so many places its not funny, click on my signature and read (dont reply as its a old thread and Javier will lock it if bumped up...I dont know why either, its just what he always does with old threads that get bumped by people)
SSV Enterprise wrote...
As for me, I'll admit I am being overzealous in this case. All I wanted to do at the beginning was express my opinion as any reasonable person did, but when you insult my intelligence just for doing that and make dishonest claims about the content of the game I can't take that sitting down.
Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 04 juin 2010 - 05:58 .
SSV Enterprise wrote...
We can, Kalfear. And I will simply say this: maybe if you would stop treating ME2 fans like children, they would stop treating you like one as well.
Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 04 juin 2010 - 06:02 .
FlyingWalrus wrote...
Hey, I can say that neither game is perfect. Honest truth. But attempting to tout any of ME2's features as worthy or redeeming hazards you into things like getting called a "child" or "kid" by ivory tower elitists like Kalfear up there. If simply stating a few truths about ME2 frustrated him so much that he took it out on SSV like that, he must be living in perpetual rage since his veil of deception regarding ME2 and his self-ratified furor over its downfalls is so easily penetrated.
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slimgrin wrote...
I loved both games. I like ME2 better, as a matter of fact. But it felt predetermined, which is why I tend to push for more open-ended and complex gameplay for ME3.
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kraidy1117 wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
I loved both games. I like ME2 better, as a matter of fact. But it felt predetermined, which is why I tend to push for more open-ended and complex gameplay for ME3.
Now thats surprsing, I always thought you where a ME fan
Modifié par slimgrin, 04 juin 2010 - 06:19 .
slimgrin wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
I loved both games. I like ME2 better, as a matter of fact. But it felt predetermined, which is why I tend to push for more open-ended and complex gameplay for ME3.
Now thats surprsing, I always thought you where a ME fan
I'm most critical of the things I admire. It's just habit. So yes, I pick apart ME2 far more because it is a better game imo. The flaws in ME1 are glaring. ME2 is a different beast though, and I do admire Bioware for trying to innovate, even though I feel they botched some aspects.
slimgrin wrote...
I equate role playing with strategy first, and character second. I can read a story in a book - sorry for this tired argument, but its true. If I want to play a character, however, you bet I want stats and inventory: that is part the experience. Its not like I need to whip out a calculator to know which number is higher. Hours are wasted in ME2's planet scanning and ME1's inventory. But that's not the case with other RPG's which avoid such time consuming mistakes.
SSV Enterprise wrote...
We can, Kalfear. And I will simply say this: maybe if you would stop treating ME2 fans like children, they would stop treating you like one as well.
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