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The King of Dust

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Some of you may already be aware of this little trick, but when I did a search on how to romance Ashley as a female Shepard, all I've found was people saying it wasn't possible and that one youtube video showing the romance scene between femShep and Ash, but the author never explained how he did it.

After wasting 2 complete afternoons on this, I've finally found a way to make it work … sort of. I say “sort of” because I'm fooling the game into thinking my character is male as far as dialogs and cutscenes are concerned. While my Shepard's appearance and voice remains female, this does create 2 small problems :
1-Npcs refer to my character as male. Most dialog in the game works for both gender so that doesn't happen very often, but it's still annoying.
2-During cutscenes (like the cutscene that triggers when you find the beacon on Eden Prime), my character uses the male voice. Again, it doesn't happen often but it's very distracting when it does.

Also, I've only done Therum, Feros and Noveria so far, still need to do Virmire and Ilos. It seems to work so far, and every romance dialog option I've selected has used the female voice, which confirms that they had intended to allow female Shepard to romance Ashley at first, but since I haven't finished the game yet, I can't confirm that it's 100% functionnal.

Now for the meaty part of the post : There are 2 ways to achieve this, one easy but restrictive, and one a bit more difficult but that allows you to use a custom face. Let's start with the easy way.

There's a nice little console command called SetGender that can be used to switch the gender of your character on the fly. SetGender 0 makes you male, and SetGender 1 makes you female. Problem is, this only affects your character's appearance and voice, the game uses another value to determine if the npcs see you as male or female.

This means that for this method to work, you need to start your game as a male character and once you're in the game, open the console and type SetGender 1. You'll then have to save your game and reload to see the changes. If it worked, you character should now have the female appearance. The issue with this method is that you can't use a custom appearance for your character (well you can, but the results will be quite disturbing). Unless you have the default face, using SetGender will only change your body, and your character will retain his custom face.

There is a way around that problem, but it requires hex editing your savegame. Here's how to do it :
First, start your game as a female character, and create your custom face. As soon as you're in the game, save and then exit Mass Effect. Go to your savegames directory, find the game you just saved (YourCharacterName00_01.MassEffectSave) and copy it somewhere (that's your backup in case things go horribly wrong!).

Once that's done, you'll need to extract the contents of your savegame file using a Zip utility. 7-Zip works, not sure about the others. You should now have access to the 3 files which make up a MassEffectSave file, namely player.sav, state.sav and WorldSavePackage.sav.

Open state.sav with your favorite hex editor, and change the value of the 27Ath (634 in decimal) byte to 00 (the value should be 80 if your character is female) to make the game think your character is male. Save your changes, then select the 3 .sav files, do a right-click and select “Send to” --> “Compressed folder” to re-zip then.

Rename the zip to YourCharacterName00_02.MassEffectSave and now open both your unchanged MassEffectSave file and the one you've just created in your hex editor. You'll need to copy the first 2027 (8231 in decimal) bytes from the old file to the start of the new one to make it a valid MassEffectSave file.

Once the changes are saved, copy your new file to your Mass Effect savegame directory and try to load it. If all went well, your character should still have the same look and voice, but should now be considered male by npcs, which allows your female Shepard to romance Ashley.

Edit : this was tried with brand new savegames. The structure of state.sav seems to change a lot depending on where you are in the game, so I'm not sure how to do it mid-game.

I haven't tried it, but you could probably also use this method to romance Kaidan as a male character.

Also, doing this will probably cause problems if you eventually try to import that character in ME3, because they probably won't record lines for the FemShep/Ashley romance in ME3. Not sure about ME2, since there's isn't much dialog with her anyway.

Whew, long post, gonna go play some Mass Effect now. I'll update this thread once I can confirm that the whole romance works.

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Edit:
As per McBaal's suggestion, I'm adding a link to another thread started by someone who had trouble getting this to work. The thread contains additional tips, explanations and screenshots, so check it out if you're having difficulties with this or aren't sure on how to proceed.

Here's the link:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/4954821

Bearbeitet von The King of Dust, 27 Juli 2011 - 05:06 .

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I don't think it's possible because Ashley is pretty conservative.

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What are you talking about? I've romanced her as a femshep 2 times now, and my game hasn't been modified in any way.

In case this matters at all. This is the platinum edition on the 360.

Bearbeitet von What a Twist, 01 Juni 2010 - 06:45 .


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accidental quote

Bearbeitet von What a Twist, 01 Juni 2010 - 06:44 .


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Check his sig real quick, realize that he's just being a thread-disturber, and ignore it.



I only came into this thread at all because staring at

"Female Shepard romancing Ashley" followed in the next column by "What a Twist" has been hilarious all day.

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Christmas Ape wrote...

Check his sig real quick, realize that he's just being a thread-disturber, and ignore it.

I only came into this thread at all because staring at
"Female Shepard romancing Ashley" followed in the next column by "What a Twist" has been hilarious all day.

Are you talking about me being a thread disturber? I was on-topic. I don't get how you've come to that assertion.

Edit: I assume there's something I'm not getting here, but there's no need to be rude.

Bearbeitet von What a Twist, 01 Juni 2010 - 08:04 .


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No he means that the thread reads "Female Shepard romancing Ashley - What a Twist"

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What a Twist wrote...

What are you talking about? I've romanced her as a femshep 2 times now, and my game hasn't been modified in any way.

In case this matters at all. This is the platinum edition on the 360.


There must be a mistake here :huh:, I've played around 10 times with a female character and I've never been able to romance Ashley. Yet the first time I played with a male character, I had no trouble romancing her. Maybe you're confusing Ash with Liara? Either that or the platinum edition on the 360 is awesome, and I gotta get my hands on it to try to rip the files and see if they work with the PC version :P

In other news, it seems I'm a bit late to the party in regards to the SetGender trick, as I expected.
www.youtube.com/watch
He doesn't really explain how he got it to work in the video's description but since he uses the default female Shepard I assume it was done with SetGender. This also pretty much confirms that the romance is fully functionnal and it seems to be working for MaleShep and Kaidan too.

Still, I haven't seen anyone using the hex editing method yet, so hopefully this will help some people looking to romance Ashley with a female Shepard that uses a custom appearance and this thread won't be a complete waste of forum space :whistle:

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I've only heard of people using the 'SetGender' trick to romance either Ash or Kaidan s/s in Mass Effect...the hex editing method is news to me!



I wonder if the same can be done in ME2?

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It must be because you're on the PC. I had no issues with that on my 360. I even ended up with the two fighting over me the first time.

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What a Twist wrote...

It must be because you're on the PC. I had no issues with that on my 360. I even ended up with the two fighting over me the first time.


I'll need some proof of that, either another source that says the same thing or a video or anything you could think of that proves that with the 360 version you can romance Ashley with a female shepard, because everyone else I've seen has always said that it wasn't possible, and from my personal experience it's not possible, and if there were different romance options between the PC and 360 versions, I'm sure we'd have heard a lot of complaining about it.

jlb524 wrote...

I wonder if the same can be done in ME2?


I think you can use gibbed's savegame editor to change your ME1 plot variables to make Ashley your ME1 LI. You'll need to start a "new game plus" with that save after that though, because ME2 only looks up those values when starting a game. At least I think that's how it works ... could be wrong I guess.

Bearbeitet von The King of Dust, 01 Juni 2010 - 10:12 .


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What a Twist wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Check his sig real quick, realize that he's just being a thread-disturber, and ignore it.

I only came into this thread at all because staring at
"Female Shepard romancing Ashley" followed in the next column by "What a Twist" has been hilarious all day.

Are you talking about me being a thread disturber? I was on-topic. I don't get how you've come to that assertion.

Edit: I assume there's something I'm not getting here, but there's no need to be rude.

Not you. There's nothing even in your sig. How could I mean you?

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Christmas Ape wrote...

What a Twist wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Check his sig real quick, realize that he's just being a thread-disturber, and ignore it.

I only came into this thread at all because staring at
"Female Shepard romancing Ashley" followed in the next column by "What a Twist" has been hilarious all day.

Are you talking about me being a thread disturber? I was on-topic. I don't get how you've come to that assertion.

Edit: I assume there's something I'm not getting here, but there's no need to be rude.

Not you. There's nothing even in your sig. How could I mean you?

Hmm, right then, good point. Who did you mean, then?

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Nobody, but yeah it's a nice trick, thanks for sharing.

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Just to make one thing clear, I did explain my method in the readme file with the saves. I didn't withhold anything.



Yes, it's just the setgender command, but that was after hours of looking at different possible methods. Looking at a huge list of undocumented console commands, I came across "setgender". I tried it, and it surprisingly worked. I've edited the saves before for a couple minor things, but I had no idea what sector in the file contained gender data.



The hex editing method sounds like a helluva better way to do it though, custom appearances and all.

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La Sangreal wrote...

Just to make one thing clear, I did explain my method in the readme file with the saves. I didn't withhold anything.


The video I mention in my original post wasn't yours, it was another video from a while ago. I only came across yours after creating this topic and didn't read through all the comments, so I couldn't be sure if you had explained it somewhere or not. Sorry I didn't make that clearer ^_^

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I tried the hex edit on the save, but I can't seem to get it to work.  I mean, the new save "works" in that I can load it but it doesn't alter the gender (Ash still calls me "ma'am").  I followed the instructions exactly and even double checked that I had edited the right byte by checking both the hex and dec location.

Not a big deal, just curious if anyone else was having a problem.

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That's strange, it was that exact byte on 3 different savegames for me, so I assumed the gender value was always stored on that exact byte in the state.sav file.

If your game is brand new and your character is female, it should be pretty easy to spot too. It should be the only byte with a value of 80 in the middle of a whole bunch of bytes that have a value of 00.

All those games were new though. I used 2 completely new games to compare them to figure out what I needed to modify, then tried it on a game I had created a bit earlier in which I had gotten up to Ashley on Eden Prime. I suppose if your game is more advanced, or if it's a new game plus, things might be different.

EDIT : Just checked an older save that was far more advanced ... the byte that should be at 80 isn't. Which means the byte number I posted is only valid for a brand new savegame that's still in the prologue. Even then, I may just have gotten lucky and ended up with state.sav files that were similar enough that the gender byte was at the same place in all 3. Guess I'll have to do more testing ... yay:pinched:

EDIT #2 : New game + with same advanced save discussed earlier, modified state.sav when I was on Eden Prime just before activating the beacon and it worked, gender byte was in the right spot and everything. 4 out of 4 seems like a good ratio, so it should work if you haven't finished Eden Prime yet. Can anybody confirms whether it works for them too?

Bearbeitet von The King of Dust, 03 Juni 2010 - 09:21 .


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I've seen the video on Youtube (it's since been taken down). It had recorded dialogue from Jennifer Hale for the Ashley love scene. Seems that it was something dropped from the final game.

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The King of Dust wrote...

There is a way around that problem, but it requires hex editing your savegame. Here's how to do it :
First, start your game as a female character, and create your custom face. As soon as you're in the game, save and then exit Mass Effect. Go to your savegames directory, find the game you just saved (YourCharacterName00_01.MassEffectSave) and copy it somewhere (that's your backup in case things go horribly wrong!).

 
Can you recommend an easy hex editing program?  Keyword here is easy, I've never done this but am willing to learn.

The King of Dust wrote...
Once that's done, you'll need to extract the contents of your savegame file using a Zip utility. 7-Zip works, not sure about the others. You should now have access to the 3 files which make up a MassEffectSave file, namely player.sav, state.sav and WorldSavePackage.sav.

 
Ok, I want to use a male Shepard instead of a female, so when I make my 3 files, I will be starting out with a male, Shep, right?

The King of Dust wrote...
Open state.sav with your favorite hex editor, and change the value of the 27Ath (634 in decimal) byte to 00 (the value should be 80 if your character is female) to make the game think your character is male. Save your changes, then select the 3 .sav files, do a right-click and select “Send to” --> “Compressed folder” to re-zip then.

 
What value do we use for a male, Shep?

The King of Dust wrote...
I haven't tried it, but you could probably also use this method to romance Kaidan as a male character.

I'll update this thread once I can confirm that the whole romance works.


Could you please update this with the information to have a male Shepard romance Kaidan, please?  Thank you for taking the time to figure this out and post the directions for a female but I know myself and many others would really appreciate a male Shepard version also.  It's worth it to try the hex editing program and everything to get a custom male Shepard for the romance.  Thanks again!  Posted Image

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Hey guys, I found another video.





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Why would you want to romance Ashley?

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Why not ?

( That's Necro Thread )

Bearbeitet von Sawp, 21 Juni 2010 - 05:25 .


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Apollo Smile wrote...

Can you recommend an easy hex editing program?  Keyword here is easy, I've never done this but am willing to learn.


I'm somewhat new to this as well, this was my first time accomplishing anything through hex-editing. I've only tried 2 hex editors so far, but out of the two, this one was the better by far : mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/

Felt intuitive and was pretty easy to use. And it's freeware. :)

Apollo Smile wrote...
Ok, I want to use a male Shepard instead of a female, so when I make my 3 files, I will be starting out with a male, Shep, right?


Yes, if you want to romance Kaidan with a male shepard that uses a custom face, you will need to start a new game as a male character and give him the face you want to use. Basically, just start your game as if the Maleshep/Kaidan romance was actually allowed.

Apollo Smile wrote...

The King of Dust wrote...
Open state.sav with your favorite hex editor, and change the value of the 27Ath (634 in decimal) byte to 00 (the value should be 80 if your character is female) to make the game think your character is male. Save your changes, then select the 3 .sav files, do a right-click and select “Send to” --> “Compressed folder” to re-zip then.

 
What value do we use for a male, Shep?


You'll have to set the byte to 80, so that npcs see you as a female character. 00 = people see you as male, 80 = people see you as female. The byte should be at 00 when you first open the state.sav game in the hex editor, then you just need to select it and type 80. Rest is the same as in my first post.

I haven't tried it (and don't really have time to try it out right now) but it should work as long as you edit it before leaving Eden prime. Nobody's confirmed that the hex editing method worked for them yet though :(. If you get it working, I'd be nice if you could come back to this thread and give us the good news :)

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I just wanted to let you know that your steps worked for me so far.

Notes: I did this with a brand new save - literally. The first chance to save after talking to Joker and Kaidan. I took two steps, saved, and edited my file as you instructed. I did find the line of all 00 around 27A, and edited that so that my male (00) would be female (80).
I tried using IzArc, but it kept changing the file size of the save file, so I went and got 7-Zip since you said it worked. The file was 1kb smaller, but it loaded in Mass Effect 1 with no issues.
I walked over to Pressly, and discussed Nihlus with him. Mark Meer's voice, custom face, and Pressly addressed me as "Ma'am." That means my MShep's gender is female to NPCs. It was a bit odd, but since that was the desired effect (ohai Kaidan!) I can live with it because now I don't have to put up with Sheploo's face while getting Kaidan sexytime.
Yay!

Bearbeitet von Daewan, 26 Juni 2010 - 03:59 .