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[Inverness Moon]

nhsk wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Why wouldn't you want something new and interesting?

I'd romance Legion (non-physically of course) just to see how that would work out, if it even could. Curiosity.

Try to read what I said? That's why, if you can't pick a better argument than this don't bother.

You're mistaken if you think I'm arguing.

I also wasn't aware this thread was an argument.

Anyhow, I was answering the second sentence of your first post, so don't complain.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 01 juin 2010 - 08:41 .

[EricHVela]

None of the LIs make sense. ME2's less so.

While Jack's scene is touching, I'm left wondering "Where the %&$* did that come from?" She's definitely got a dangerous psych issue if she's that polarized.

The others: Let's just have sex... for no reason other than you did something nice for me and I think that's cute.

The whole "we gotta live life to its fullest before we most certainly die" is missing from ME2 even though that was the actual situation. ME1 had at least a little bit of hopelessness in the exchange. ME2 was so casual, you thought they were just f-buddies.

Bleah.

If it's going to be f-buddies (which would have made sense for Jack), don't bother. There's no story there.

[Weiser_Cain]

Although I agree with you point somewhat, I have a setting where the dwarves have all but died out due to war and interbreeding with humans... Unless your dwarves are two heads high like early dnd depictions, other than that trust me you can make it work.

Now that you're a cyborg, pairing up with EDI makes more sense than Garrus since physical coupling is off the table (kinda), while it's just disgusting (in my opinion) with a Turian.

[Inquisitor Recon]

...

"I should go."

[Inverness Moon]

This isn't the first time I've seen complaints about character action. I know that my FemShep couldn't take to Jacob without sounding like a flirt, it was ridiculous.

[Weiser_Cain]

Inverness Moon wrote...

This isn't the first time I've seen complaints about character action. I know that my FemShep couldn't take to Jacob without sounding like a flirt, it was ridiculous.

I really wanted to be able to change the tone of the human encounters. I felt too passive with Jack and like a Douche the brief time I went after Miranda. Even though I like the Tali one, a little variety would have been nice for the fifth playthrough. ...Yes I've romance Tali most of my game.

[FourSixEight]

Aliens are sexy and humans are boring.

If someone's playing Mass Effect partially because it's fun as an escapist sort of thing, why would you want to romance just another human, albeit a Badass Normal or Badass Abnormal one?

[Daewan]

Humanity. A species that has been documenting attempts to have sex with other species, regardless of compatibility, since they lived in caves. I'm not making that up, google it on your own time.

And why do you think it is unbelievable that everyone wants to sleep with the hero? The savior of the Citadel? The hero of Eden Prime? What part of Shepard's story *wouldn't* open pants anywhere today? Even aside from the standard appeal of being in uniform and apparently available?

Seriously, I'm just surprised the Volus aren't hitting on Shepard for all the money Shep has helped them earn.

[Mouton_Alpha]

I agree with the OP.



In ME1 you could romance only humans and the asari who have a distinct feature of mating with everything.



In ME2 it's just retarded space opera where you can hump everything. Not saying ME1 was teh hard sci-fi, but it was a little bit logical in fields like this.

[JeanLuc761]

It does bother me that I can't be "just friends" with any romance interest on my squad (just a few more lines of dialogue Bioware, that wouldn't have been so hard would it?). However, I understand why they made Garrus and Tali romancable, and I fully support it.



Both characters are arguably the best developed characters from ME1 and they're the only two to still stand by Shepard when he's brought back. Their personalities are very gripping, people love the characters (myself included), and the actual romance arc is very touching on both accounts (even if scientifically implausible).



Really, if they have to sacrifice a bit of logic for the sake of a good story, I'm okay with it. I don't always look for every little plot-hole and ask "Why can't this be explained?" I just go with what's presented to me and enjoy it for what it is.



If you're looking too hard into things, you're missing the magic of the game.

[Mouton_Alpha]

JeanLuc761 wrote...
It does bother me that I can't be "just friends" with any romance interest on my squad (just a few more lines of dialogue Bioware, that wouldn't have been so hard would it?). However, I understand why they made Garrus and Tali romancable, and I fully support it.

Both characters are arguably the best developed characters from ME1 and they're the only two to still stand by Shepard when he's brought back. Their personalities are very gripping, people love the characters (myself included), and the actual romance arc is very touching on both accounts (even if scientifically implausible).

They could develop a deep interesting bond without going into that alien sex thing. Would require better writing than "ZOMG ur so dashing", of course. Or even "just friends" option would be great, like with that slattern, Morrigan.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Somebody post that "My name is Shepard I have come and bang you picture here."

[Bhatair]

All the romancable aliens are pretty humanoid anyway. Hell, most of the aliens we encounter are unbelievably human.

The Hanar and Elcor are just about the only truly 'alien' feeling species.

[Big_Chief]

I dunno, I found the Tali romance at least fairly well developed and well written. I've only played Mass Effect 2 once, so I can't compare it to any of the others. Still, I agree that there should be more options to get close to someone without them wanting to get it on. Things've gotten a little awkward with Jack ever since she apparently decided that I was cheating on her despite me never really showing interest.

[Dudalizer]

I think it is only natural for humans to be sexually attracted to a race different then theirs. That is why we have asian, black, hispanic, white, etc fetishes. Asari are not so different than human women physically and neither are quarians as far as we know(other than hand and feet).

[Inquisitor Recon]

I find it a bit unusual that people were requesting romances with Tali and Garrus back in the ME1 days. You don't even see Tali's face after all, and Garrus may be my bro, but he is pretty far from human. More kinda like a reptile.

[Mouton_Alpha]

Dudalizer wrote...

I think it is only natural for humans to be sexually attracted to a race different then theirs. That is why we have asian, black, hispanic, white, etc fetishes.

Alien/human is something entierly different than Caucasian human/asian human "race" difference. Aliens are different spieces entirely. Their sex drives - if they have any - work in different way, they are aroused in a fundamentlly different way, they can be subject to mating seasons etc. And don't get me started on physical incompatiblity of all the naughty parts.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Asari didn't get pleasure from the actual physical act (as opposed to mind meld elment), but playing alon to keep the non-asari happy. "Uh, Shepard, that's my secondary nose, but if you insist..."

At least that's how it should be. I for one hate this common notion of aliens being little more than green/blue/gray skinned sexual fantasies.

[Bugsie]

Okay let’s face it - if humans really came into contact with aliens, someone somewhere would want to "tap it" (sorry for the euphemism). Isn’t it part of human nature to create fantasies that in all likelihood would be disastrous in real life? Really I don't see what the problem is – most of the fans (me included) love the whole romancing aliens thing – just check out all the character threads devoted to them.



I’d also add that the voice acting makes us feel a sort of anthropomorphism towards these very alien aliens in the ME universe.



Having said that I saw that someone had created a fairly lifelike bust of Garrus somewhere and I immediately thought – there’s no way I would be attracted to that if he were remotely real. 3D vs 2D perhaps?



I do agree with the whole romance being forced on you though – because the way the dialogue system is set up sometimes you inadvertently flirt with them when you just want to be friends, the only consolation I got on this was once I’d locked in a romance with my femShep I could actually have a decent conversation with Jacob which didn’t sound sleazy. I’m playing my male Shep now and am finding the same thing – I was just wanting to be friendly with Miranda and she got all clingy on me.

[JeanLuc761]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...
Alien/human is something entierly different than Caucasian human/asian human "race" difference. Aliens are different spieces entirely. Their sex drives - if they have any - work in different way, they are aroused in a fundamentlly different way, they can be subject to mating seasons etc. And don't get me started on physical incompatiblity of all the naughty parts.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Asari didn't get pleasure from the actual physical act (as opposed to mind meld elment), but playing alon to keep the non-asari happy. "Uh, Shepard, that's my secondary nose, but if you insist..."

At least that's how it should be. I for one hate this common notion of aliens being little more than green/blue/gray skinned sexual fantasies.

@ the bold part
That's fine and I won't bash you for that opinion.  However, a lot of people really like the romance arcs in Mass Effect and I'm one of them.  I could care less about how it would work in OUR universe, I just allow myself to get enveloped into the one Bioware created.

Like I said earlier, if you look too hard into things, you lose the magic of it all.  You HAVE to suspend disbelief sometimes.

[Flamin Jesus]

I agree that we should have the option to, well, just be friends (I mean, really? "If you don't want to **** me, I won't talk to you anymore!"? Is every single person in the ME universe that desperate?)

However, I don't think that the option to romance non-human NPCs is in any way a bad thing. Sure, reproducing that way would be patently ridiculous (Yes, that includes Asari, even though we got that ludicrous explanation about how it still works somehow, and yes, that especially includes Tali and Garrus, they're all not just a different "race", they're an entirely different SPECIES, from a different planet, with completely incompatible DNA, we're talking about SPACE LIZARDS AND CHICKENS, FOR GOD'S SAKE!) *ahem*, but reproduction is just one of a number of reasons to have sex, so yeah, just because you can't spawn the next generation of awful with alien lady XYZ doesn't mean there's no reason to be together.

But yes, ME2 went too far with the fanservice, it seems like they figured that most people would pick one favourite to have a relationship with while ignoring everyone else.
It's almost like they read the forums, spooky.

Modifié par Flamin Jesus, 02 juin 2010 - 12:42 .

[kglaser]

Rzepik2 wrote...

Well... in ME2 he is the only human option for femSheps. I 'm pretty damn sure that 99% femsheps prefer any kind of space lizard over him.

Even if the Garrus romance wasn't far and away my favorite, which it totally is, I'd have to say I'd pick Joker's chair as a romance over Jacob just because of his execrable final romance scene.  Which is a pity, because the rest really isn't that bad.

[Mouton_Alpha]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

At least that's how it should be. I for one hate this common notion of aliens being little more than green/blue/gray skinned sexual fantasies.

@ the bold part
That's fine and I won't bash you for that opinion.  However, a lot of people really like the romance arcs in Mass Effect and I'm one of them.  I could care less about how it would work in OUR universe, I just allow myself to get enveloped into the one Bioware created.

Like I said earlier, if you look too hard into things, you lose the magic of it all.  You HAVE to suspend disbelief sometimes.

Well, obviously, level of fantasy that we have in our games is a crucial part of the whole experience.

But the point is, it was different in ME1. While a setting can have any level of realism it sets itself to, It's just jarring when said level changes accross the series.

[Flamin Jesus]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

At least that's how it should be. I for one hate this common notion of aliens being little more than green/blue/gray skinned sexual fantasies.

@ the bold part
That's fine and I won't bash you for that opinion.  However, a lot of people really like the romance arcs in Mass Effect and I'm one of them.  I could care less about how it would work in OUR universe, I just allow myself to get enveloped into the one Bioware created.

Like I said earlier, if you look too hard into things, you lose the magic of it all.  You HAVE to suspend disbelief sometimes.

Well, obviously, level of fantasy that we have in our games is a crucial part of the whole experience.

But the point is, it was different in ME1. While a setting can have any level of realism it sets itself to, It's just jarring when said level changes accross the series.

The fans ask for it, the fans pay for it, the fans get it.

[JeanLuc761]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

At least that's how it should be. I for one hate this common notion of aliens being little more than green/blue/gray skinned sexual fantasies.

@ the bold part
That's fine and I won't bash you for that opinion.  However, a lot of people really like the romance arcs in Mass Effect and I'm one of them.  I could care less about how it would work in OUR universe, I just allow myself to get enveloped into the one Bioware created.

Like I said earlier, if you look too hard into things, you lose the magic of it all.  You HAVE to suspend disbelief sometimes.

Well, obviously, level of fantasy that we have in our games is a crucial part of the whole experience.

But the point is, it was different in ME1. While a setting can have any level of realism it sets itself to, It's just jarring when said level changes accross the series.

The fans ask for it, the fans pay for it, the fans get it.

I can't tell if you think that's a bad thing or not

[Flamin Jesus]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

At least that's how it should be. I for one hate this common notion of aliens being little more than green/blue/gray skinned sexual fantasies.

@ the bold part
That's fine and I won't bash you for that opinion.  However, a lot of people really like the romance arcs in Mass Effect and I'm one of them.  I could care less about how it would work in OUR universe, I just allow myself to get enveloped into the one Bioware created.

Like I said earlier, if you look too hard into things, you lose the magic of it all.  You HAVE to suspend disbelief sometimes.

Well, obviously, level of fantasy that we have in our games is a crucial part of the whole experience.

But the point is, it was different in ME1. While a setting can have any level of realism it sets itself to, It's just jarring when said level changes accross the series.

The fans ask for it, the fans pay for it, the fans get it.

I can't tell if you think that's a bad thing or not

To be quite honest, neither can I