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[Cra5y Pineapple]

I fail to see the point in doing it. Preserving the base seemed convientient and perhaps increased the chances of getting collector weapons and tech in ME3. I don't get why the majority of the community destroy it. The last person I asked just said it was "to get a more satifying explosion" but it seems like more than that.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I didn't do so in my "personal canon Shepard," but I think the main reason would be not to deliver possibly dangerous technology into the hands of an untrustworthy racially motivated terrorist leader.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 01 juin 2010 - 08:33 .

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Why is it that nobody likes TIM anyway?



I mean...that cigar.

[STG]

As Executor Pallin once said: "When cure is worse than the disease, whats the point?"

[KalosCast]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I didn't do so in my "personal canon Shepard," but I think the main reason would be not to deliver possibly dangerous technology into the hands of an untrustworthy racially motivated terrorist leader.

This.

Pretty much every time that we screw around with Reaper tech, it comes to bite us in the ass. Since Cerberus is inept to the point of comedy, and it's already implied that TIM would consider this a viable option, Cerberus will probably end up making their own Reaper.

[Rzepik2]

Because they're all goody-goody paragons. I'm pretty sure that's the most important reason. Some blue numbers can be a stronger impulse than a rational analyze.

Modifié par Rzepik2, 01 juin 2010 - 08:46 .

[Pacifien]

Honor Before Reason

[Suron]

why are people still stupid enough to ask this question?



it's nothing to do with paragon or renegade.



my paragon saw the wisdom of keeping the base...however destroyed it because the ONLY person in position to take it over is TIM..



it's more a do you trust cerberus decision instead of a paragon/renegade decision.



and it's not clear yet which one is the wise choice...though I can't see either be damning come ME3.



So let's stop asking this idiotic question and show some intelligence, if you're able, by realizing everyone has different points of view and just because YOU feel one way does not make it factual.

[STG]

It's those eyes man. Those disturbing, glowing eyes...



Also in the last scene, when you hand the base over to him he has this really devious smirk on his face. I just expected him to say: "Shepard, you fool."

[EricHVela]

None of the survivors trust TIM having the base if you save it. We have reached 100% consensus.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 01 juin 2010 - 08:50 .

[Skyblade012]

Cerberus is a woefully inept organization. Their most advanced projects can be undone by a single person. In ME1, Shepard unveiled that they have pitiful discipline and security procedures, poor training, and were arrogant to the point of being wiped out multiple times becaus they consistently underestimate their opponents. Their leader is a single minded sociopath with no thought to consequences, however dire they might be. They are the last group I'd want in control of that base.

Then too, the idea of trying to save the base is tactically idiotic. The Reapers built it. You know, those giant living machines who are out to kill us all? What good do you think wiping out all the organic life on the station would do? The Collectors may be dead, but that Proto-Reaper would have survived, and would have been around to slaugher anyone coming to the base if Shepard had left just a few minutes earlier. And that is completely discounting the possibility of booby traps, failsafes, or even simple indoctrination that might result from contact with that base.

Then too, the technology itself is useless. The Reapers themselves are extremely inefficient constructs. So we would learn, what, how to turn millions or even billions of humans into a single Reaper warship? Yeah, that's a useful technology. We can wipe out our own species to create a couple dozen human-controlled Reapers. Which, oh, by the way, would not stand a chance against the thousands we are pitted against. Or we could focus on building more of the ships we already have the technology for and which are already powerful enough to take on Reapers, while we analyze the wreckage of both the station and Sovereign. What good would knowing the manufacturing procedure get us, when it is a procedure that is painfully innefficient and would cost us far more than we would ever gain?

Modifié par Skyblade012, 01 juin 2010 - 08:51 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

STG wrote...

It's those eyes man. Those disturbing, glowing eyes...

Also in the last scene, when you hand the base over to him he has this really devious smirk on his face. I just expected him to say: "Shepard, you fool."

Lol, that would have been funny. Especially if Shepard hadn't quite left the comunciations room yet.

"I'm gonna stop the Reapers. But I won't sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. Remember that!"

"Hah! Shepard, you fool!"

"WHAT was that!?"

"Uh.... nothing!"

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 01 juin 2010 - 08:53 .

[nhsk]

Because when the cure is worse than the disease, whats the point?



Destroy humanity to save humanity?



Nah I would rather do the William Wallace thing and go down honorably than become a monster because I fighted them so long I forgot to take care.

[Rzepik2]

STG wrote...

It's those eyes man. Those disturbing, glowing eyes...

Also in the last scene, when you hand the base over to him he has this really devious smirk on his face. I just expected him to say: "Shepard, you fool."

XD
Okay, that's a good point. But I bet he was rather thinking about something like that:
http://rzepik.devian...llery/#/d2jhuvj

Modifié par Rzepik2, 01 juin 2010 - 08:55 .

[Thomas9321]

I don't trust TIM not one bit. He's manipulative and utterly lacking in morals. He's a patriot as long as it serves his own ends and in my opinion Cerberus is the second biggest threat to the galaxy after the Reapers. If there was the option to give the base to Anderson/The Council/The Alliance, however I would preserve it every time. Curse Mass Effect and it's policy of "there are only two options in any given situation ever and one is mean and the other isn't".

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

I fail to see the point in doing it. Preserving the base seemed convientient and perhaps increased the chances of getting collector weapons and tech in ME3. I don't get why the majority of the community destroy it. The last person I asked just said it was "to get a more satifying explosion" but it seems like more than that.

For me, it's two main reasons:

Cerberus has proven spectacularly inept when it comes to researching aliens or their technology. Giving that base to Cerberus is very likely to end up with a bunch of deat Cerb scientists and nothing to show for it, much like the rachni breeding program or the derelict reaper. In truth, about the only scientific endeavours that can be counted as success are the development of the SR2 (piggybacking off the Alliance SR1 program), and bringing back Shepard. Everything else they've tried has ended messily for them.

Further, as we see by the SR2/Collector ship matchup in the suicide mission, collector technology sounds good on paper, but in reality, it sucks. If all that collector tech can't let an enormous cruiser beat what amounts to a heavy frigate that it outmasses significantly, it won't help beating the reapers.

I mean, hell, even a totally unupgraded Normandy can defeat the collector cruiser, even suffering damage.

[STG]

Actually wouldn't that base have more information on Prothean rather than reaper technology?



Maybe there could be some info on how to make mass relays in there somewhere. Just thinking out loud here.

[lovgreno]

Both options are supposed to be realy bad if I understood the writers right, but you don't have any other options. It's a classical case of a dilemma. Damned if you do blow it up and damned if you don't.



Despite what some say that is not a stupid question but there isn't supposed to be any easy answer. The ME story is not about good or evil and right or wrong. With some imagination you can come up with good arguments for both options.



But personaly I got to say that Cerberus high amount of fail and TIMs messiah complex makes it hard to trust them to not mess up with the base.

[DaBigDragon]

Not destroying the Collector Base would be like not stopping the **** Concentration Camps in World War II because we could "learn from" the methods and technologies used there.

[Pacifien]

Matriarch Aethyta implies the asari would be capable of building their own mass relays if they so desired. Asari are so complacent in their use of what's already available, they seem to figure there's no point. Joke's on them.

[Skyblade012]

STG wrote...

Actually wouldn't that base have more information on Prothean rather than reaper technology?

Maybe there could be some info on how to make mass relays in there somewhere. Just thinking out loud here.

Nope.

The Protheans did not build that station.  It was built long before the Protheans even existed.  It was built by the Reapers long ago, and positioned on the other side of the Omega 4 relay to hide it.  That's why there are so many ships around it, and why they are described as "Ancient" by Joker.  There is only one known ancient race: the Protheans.  They would not have lost ships on the other side of that relay if they had built the station.  They, along with so many of the civilizations before them, lost ships trying to find out what was there.  The Reapers built that station, the Collectors merely use it.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

DaBigDragon wrote...

Not destroying the Collector Base would be like not stopping the **** Concentration Camps in World War II because we could "learn from" the methods and technologies used there.

That's not a very good analogy. Don't get me wrong, I think keeping the base is foolish, but there was no looming threat to make grabbing new tech vital in WWII. This would be more like stopping the concentration camps... But knowing that if you let them run, they might give you a significant advantage against Cthulhu or something. 

Matriarch Aethyta implies the asari would be capable of building their
own mass relays if they so desired.

Matriarch Aethyta says lots of things. Don't take them all at face value. 

Modifié par Cpl_Facehugger, 01 juin 2010 - 09:07 .