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[didymos1120]

UNAVAILABLE wrote...
You didn't get a "code". What was obtained was a Reaper IFF device. Why are you assuming that any human device can easily replicate the signal this device produced?

Get Shep killed after keeping the base:



As you may have noticed,  Cerberus has ships already appearing on the scene by the end of TIM's chat with Joker.  It can be replicated. 

[Nightwriter]

smudboy wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

You know this always becomes a debate of pro-Cerberus vs. anti-Cerberus.

Pro-Cerberus: Keep the base!

Anti-Cerberus: Blow up the base!

I can assure you it has little to do with being for or against Cerberus; though keeping the base is definitely a more pro-Cerberus choice.

I would agree, that those that blow up the base do it primarily because of TIM.

I disagree. It's about the "whatever it takes" Cerberus mindset. People who fancy themselves pragmatists who put practicality and gain ahead of short term morality are the Cerberus type - the same type who would keep the base.

[Rheinlandman]

I destroyed it because I could, it was big, and it made a big boom

[Sidac]

soo, if i save the base i might make things in Me 3 more fooked up than they already are? SWEEET. I kinda want the toughest ending possible! I regret saving the rachni queen but i cant be asked to play thru ME1 again.

[amillian]

Well how do you think the reaper's history began?

[smudboy]

Nightwriter wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

You know this always becomes a debate of pro-Cerberus vs. anti-Cerberus.

Pro-Cerberus: Keep the base!

Anti-Cerberus: Blow up the base!

I can assure you it has little to do with being for or against Cerberus; though keeping the base is definitely a more pro-Cerberus choice.

I would agree, that those that blow up the base do it primarily because of TIM.

I disagree. It's about the "whatever it takes" Cerberus mindset. People who fancy themselves pragmatists who put practicality and gain ahead of short term morality are the Cerberus type - the same type who would keep the base.

Ah?  I wouldn't call reviving Cyber Jesus after 2 years and billions of credits practical, pragmatic, efficient, smart, a good use of time or resources, etc.  You can call someone who saves the base "Cerberus Like", but that's totally subjective and says nothing of their reasonings.

The argument and details therein stems from 1. Not wasting anything, 2. Realizing whom ones enemy is, 3. Realizing what your enemy's plan is.

[Nightwriter]

Not really, since pretty much every single person I've talked to at length who kept the base advocates TIM and Cerberus. Anyone else who kept the base doesn't seem interested in arguing. Likewise, every person you talk to who blew up the base seems to do it because they distrust TIM.

And Cerby supporters seem to overlook the practical wisdom of bringing Shepard back from the dead in their staunch defense of Cerberus's pragmatism.

[Giggles_Manically]

If you keep the Collector Base then Uwe Boll will direct the Mass Effect movie.

Which is worse Galactic Extinction or Mr Boll's directing?



YOU BE THE JUDGE!

[Kaiser Shepard]

I find it ironic how the only group I would trust the Collector Base with is the one that probably wants to have to do the least with it; the main geth faction...

[DTKT]

The main issue for me, is that even if you actually save the base, you have no control on it's use by Cerberus. If I could actually control the base, I wouldn't have destroyed it. But with Cerberus and it's past history with tech, it's safer to have it removed.

[suaishun]

well i did it for multiple reasons but mostly to ****** mr TIM off

[smudboy]

Nightwriter wrote...

Not really, since pretty much every single person I've talked to at length who kept the base advocates TIM and Cerberus. Anyone else who kept the base doesn't seem interested in arguing. Likewise, every person you talk to who blew up the base seems to do it because they distrust TIM.

And Cerby supporters seem to overlook the practical wisdom of bringing Shepard back from the dead in their staunch defense of Cerberus's pragmatism.

Ah, I can't tell if you're kidding around or not.

Well here I am, telling you, saving the base has nothing to do with TIM or Cerberus, aside from TIM giving us the option.  There are the obvious examples of information, technology, evidence, and closurer to the loss of loved ones.

The only relationship I saw as people who destroy the base do so to snub TIM, or because 'splosions are cool.  Bizarre arguments like "If we beat the Reapers, then TIM would go Machiavelli on us all" are reputed by the sheer fact that your opponents are the Reapers and they're going to kill everyone: even if Reapers are defeated and TIM goes Emperor, that outcome is still better than galactic death.

[Nightwriter]

I'd give the base to the true geth, definitely. They can't be indoctrinated, they're less corruptible and they believe strongly in creating your own technology, meaning they would only use what was in the base as much as they had to in order to stop the Reapers, and no more.

[Kaiser Shepard]

smudboy wrote...

The only relationship I saw as people who destroy the base do so to snub TIM, or because 'splosions are cool.  Bizarre arguments like "If we beat the Reapers, then TIM would go Machiavelli on us all" are reputed by the sheer fact that your opponents are the Reapers and they're going to kill everyone: even if Reapers are defeated and TIM goes Emperor, that outcome is still better than galactic death.

I'd rather die than live like that.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 06 septembre 2010 - 09:34 .

[Nightwriter]

smudboy wrote...

Ah, I can't tell if you're kidding around or not.

Well here I am, telling you, saving the base has nothing to do with TIM or Cerberus, aside from TIM giving us the option.  There are the obvious examples of information, technology, evidence, and closurer to the loss of loved ones.

The only relationship I saw as people who destroy the base do so to snub TIM, or because 'splosions are cool.  Bizarre arguments like "If we beat the Reapers, then TIM would go Machiavelli on us all" are reputed by the sheer fact that your opponents are the Reapers and they're going to kill everyone: even if Reapers are defeated and TIM goes Emperor, that outcome is still better than galactic death.

People who keep the base always assume the negative effects of handing TIM that power will only matter in the long term.

[Asheer_Khan]

@Smudboy.

And then Bioware will produce Mass Effect IV The New Hope showing how Shepard will form rebel Alliance against Emperor Tim... oh wait... that sounds really, really familiar...

[upsettingshorts]

I destroy or keep it it for meta reasons. I know it's a game that will likely end well for me regardless of my choices, so I pick the ones that would - subjectively - make the story more interesting to me.  I have a "canon" Shepard savegame and a "mirror universe" Shepard savegame that does everything the opposite of my canon save.  They aren't straight Paragon/Renegade, so it's more like two different mixed versions.  In one I keep it, in one I dont.

If it was real life, I'd keep it and then go public with its existence thereby complicating any attempt by TIM to secretly use it to gain power, and forcing the Council to recognize the existence of the Reapers. Maybe the latter wouldn't be successful and they'd say "Oh well it was just the Collectors and you killed them all so the danger must have passed" but I'd sure try.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 06 septembre 2010 - 09:38 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont keep it because ME2 is presented in the same way as Dragon Age Awakening.

NO REALLY! The bad guys from part one are just misunderstood!

They have GOOD reasons for all the failures and attacks they caused!

YOU CAN REALLY TRUST THEM!

REALLY!



If Balogna has a first name its T.I.M friends.

[philiposophy]

Will the base really provide the necessary technology for TIM to usurp the entire galaxy? I get that the collectors' tech is impressive but the turian Thannix cannon cut through one of their warships like a knife through hot butter.



Anyway to fight the reaper threat, TIM would have to spread the weaponry around because Cerberus doesn't have enough ships or people. At the very least, he'd have to give some of it to the Alliance. TIM wouldn't be totally invulnerable.

[Nightwriter]

philiposophy wrote...

Will the base really provide the necessary technology for TIM to usurp the entire galaxy? I get that the collectors' tech is impressive but the turian Thannix cannon cut through one of their warships like a knife through hot butter.

Anyway to fight the reaper threat, TIM would have to spread the weaponry around because Cerberus doesn't have enough ships or people. At the very least, he'd have to give some of it to the Alliance. TIM wouldn't be totally invulnerable.

Well I've never really said that the sole danger of giving him the base is that he might usurp the galaxy. For me it was always, he might develop anti-Reaper technology he thinks will work, but it will blow up in our faces at the worst possible moment because he was power hungry/ambitious/careless.

And we simply cannot bet on TIM sharing the technology. That assumes the only tech he'll create from the base is raw weaponry.

[upsettingshorts]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I dont keep it because ME2 is presented in the same way as Dragon Age Awakening.
NO REALLY! The bad guys from part one are just misunderstood!
They have GOOD reasons for all the failures and attacks they caused!

I haven't seen this pulled off well too often in fiction.

Babylon 5 is the only example that immediately comes to mind.  Granted they also doubled down by showing how the good guys weren't nearly as altruistic as they appeared.

[philiposophy]

Nightwriter wrote...

philiposophy wrote...

Will the base really provide the necessary technology for TIM to usurp the entire galaxy? I get that the collectors' tech is impressive but the turian Thannix cannon cut through one of their warships like a knife through hot butter.

Anyway to fight the reaper threat, TIM would have to spread the weaponry around because Cerberus doesn't have enough ships or people. At the very least, he'd have to give some of it to the Alliance. TIM wouldn't be totally invulnerable.

Well I've never really said that the sole danger of giving him the base is that he might usurp the galaxy. For me it was always, he might develop anti-Reaper technology he thinks will work, but it will blow up in our faces at the worst possible moment because he was power hungry/ambitious/careless.

And we simply cannot bet on TIM sharing the technology. That assumes the only tech he'll create from the base is raw weaponry.

Yes, you're right about Cerberus' competence being in question and I am making some assumptions.

I'm going to import both outcomes to ME3 but I've still not decided what my preferred ending to ME2 is. At the moment I'm leaning towards keeping it because it's worth the risk. But some time ago I thought the risk wasn't worth it, so that could change any moment, lol.

[Nightwriter]

I have both choices ready to import as well. The first time through, I kept the base, but quickly went back and changed the decision. Initially the allure of the base was too strong for me. The opportunity for knowledge was just too much to pass up. Then TIM went all crazy like Isildur standing over the flames of Mordor salivating over the One Ring.



"Cast it into the fire, Isildur!"



"No! The powah!"

[suaishun]

i have two toons one half paragon/renegade and one full renegade heh both destroyed the base we will see what happens in me3 or not but my guess is that TIM would go all hahaha i'm gonna make myself a reaper

[Xilizhra]

smudboy wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Not really, since pretty much every single person I've talked to at length who kept the base advocates TIM and Cerberus. Anyone else who kept the base doesn't seem interested in arguing. Likewise, every person you talk to who blew up the base seems to do it because they distrust TIM.

And Cerby supporters seem to overlook the practical wisdom of bringing Shepard back from the dead in their staunch defense of Cerberus's pragmatism.

Ah, I can't tell if you're kidding around or not.

Well here I am, telling you, saving the base has nothing to do with TIM or Cerberus, aside from TIM giving us the option.  There are the obvious examples of information, technology, evidence, and closurer to the loss of loved ones.

The only relationship I saw as people who destroy the base do so to snub TIM, or because 'splosions are cool.  Bizarre arguments like "If we beat the Reapers, then TIM would go Machiavelli on us all" are reputed by the sheer fact that your opponents are the Reapers and they're going to kill everyone: even if Reapers are defeated and TIM goes Emperor, that outcome is still better than galactic death.

My issue isn't with that; it's the fact that giving Cerberus the base will create too much political division in my galactic coalition. Pro-any-one-species terrorist groups have no place in the Reaper war; Cerberus did its part by bringing me back, and now it can step aside.