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Why do people destroy the Collector base?
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 03:32
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Council could send spectres to gather intel on the base and then bring it back since they can move through Terminus.
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 03:45
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A galaxy ruled by Cerberus is better than one where the Reapers win.
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 03:50
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I suppose you didn't use the Thanix gun upgrade? I mean, we don't need Reaper tech!UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...
why do people destroy the collector base..UM IT WAS A PLACE THAT TOOK THE LIVES OF INNOCENTS,and ITS REAPERS TECHNOLOGY...if we use reapers weapons against them then we are saying we are weak without their tech. WE WILL BEAT THE REAPERS WITH OUR OWN SKILL AND POWER.
and many grim things happened in that place. it DESERVED to be destroyed
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 03:57
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What I imagine will really happen if you keep the base:
ME3 will begin and you will be informed that the base is now being studied extensively by Cerberus. A huge operation is now underway. There are Cerberus personnel crawling over every inch of the thing. TIM is receiving daily, if not hourly, reports.
You may, if you kept the base but are paragon, suggest to TIM that you wish to inform the Council or the Alliance of the base and bring them in on the operation. I think we can predict TIM’s reaction to this. He will never want to let this happen. He will either refuse openly or lie and feign cooperation while behind the scenes ensuring it never happens.
It is possible we may expect TIM to start keeping Shepard out of the loop at this point. Now that TIM has what he wants I imagine he will begin to see Shepard as a possible threat or liability, which is logical. Even a renegade Shepard is a known Council/Alliance affiliate who is a bit of a loose cannon and does things his/her own way.
So:
There are many things in the base that are now to be studied: Collector corpses, Collector technology, human smoothie-making technology. Husk technology, having been something they failed at studying before, will be of particular interest to them. All the old experiments will start up again.
Pieces and parts worthy of examination will likely be dismantled and taken away for analysis as the station is explored (more and more personnel will be exposed to the potential dangers of the station over the course of this exploration).
In this way I believe the contents of the base will begin to spread to other locations, likely other Cerberus facilities more capable of performing in-depth studies. Because of this, the danger the technology poses is spreading also.
These facilities will begin to churn out and replicate imitations of the base’s technology that TIM feels will be of use: husks, Collector drones, praetorians, etc. TIM wants shock troops. Anything that can be made into shock troops is fair game. Keep in mind this has just as much potential to go awry as every previous experiment did.
And most important of all: the human Reaper. This will be the object of Cerberus’s dearest fascination.
The first thing I think we will see is the human Reaper erected in a great lab somewhere. TIM would never let such a valuable piece of technology rust in a pit. They will have recovered it and attempted to salvage as much as they could. They will want to know how it works, everything. I would not be surprised if they were trying to piece it back together. TIM will never destroy this thing. He will want to use it.
A big problem with this – with all the base’s technology – is that study of a thing can only get you so far without seeing it operate. To understand a thing you must see how it works. Cerberus, I think, will begin reactivating certain technologies to see how they can be used. It will do this in what it believes may be a controlled environment. However their track record suggests their controlled environments are rarely controlled enough.
Reactivated Reaper technology is incredibly dangerous. So what happens after this is anybody's guess. Personally I fear a repeat of the derelict Reaper incident, only much worse.
ME3 will begin and you will be informed that the base is now being studied extensively by Cerberus. A huge operation is now underway. There are Cerberus personnel crawling over every inch of the thing. TIM is receiving daily, if not hourly, reports.
You may, if you kept the base but are paragon, suggest to TIM that you wish to inform the Council or the Alliance of the base and bring them in on the operation. I think we can predict TIM’s reaction to this. He will never want to let this happen. He will either refuse openly or lie and feign cooperation while behind the scenes ensuring it never happens.
It is possible we may expect TIM to start keeping Shepard out of the loop at this point. Now that TIM has what he wants I imagine he will begin to see Shepard as a possible threat or liability, which is logical. Even a renegade Shepard is a known Council/Alliance affiliate who is a bit of a loose cannon and does things his/her own way.
So:
There are many things in the base that are now to be studied: Collector corpses, Collector technology, human smoothie-making technology. Husk technology, having been something they failed at studying before, will be of particular interest to them. All the old experiments will start up again.
Pieces and parts worthy of examination will likely be dismantled and taken away for analysis as the station is explored (more and more personnel will be exposed to the potential dangers of the station over the course of this exploration).
In this way I believe the contents of the base will begin to spread to other locations, likely other Cerberus facilities more capable of performing in-depth studies. Because of this, the danger the technology poses is spreading also.
These facilities will begin to churn out and replicate imitations of the base’s technology that TIM feels will be of use: husks, Collector drones, praetorians, etc. TIM wants shock troops. Anything that can be made into shock troops is fair game. Keep in mind this has just as much potential to go awry as every previous experiment did.
And most important of all: the human Reaper. This will be the object of Cerberus’s dearest fascination.
The first thing I think we will see is the human Reaper erected in a great lab somewhere. TIM would never let such a valuable piece of technology rust in a pit. They will have recovered it and attempted to salvage as much as they could. They will want to know how it works, everything. I would not be surprised if they were trying to piece it back together. TIM will never destroy this thing. He will want to use it.
A big problem with this – with all the base’s technology – is that study of a thing can only get you so far without seeing it operate. To understand a thing you must see how it works. Cerberus, I think, will begin reactivating certain technologies to see how they can be used. It will do this in what it believes may be a controlled environment. However their track record suggests their controlled environments are rarely controlled enough.
Reactivated Reaper technology is incredibly dangerous. So what happens after this is anybody's guess. Personally I fear a repeat of the derelict Reaper incident, only much worse.
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 04:20
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Thanix Cannons: Developed by Turians even though it was based on Sovereign's weapon... not the same thing as the collector base.Deku Scrub wrote...
I suppose you didn't use the Thanix gun upgrade? I mean, we don't need Reaper tech!UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...
why do people destroy the collector base..UM IT WAS A PLACE THAT TOOK THE LIVES OF INNOCENTS,and ITS REAPERS TECHNOLOGY...if we use reapers weapons against them then we are saying we are weak without their tech. WE WILL BEAT THE REAPERS WITH OUR OWN SKILL AND POWER.
and many grim things happened in that place. it DESERVED to be destroyed
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 04:21
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The way I look at it, nothing we saw in the base was necessarily better than the technology the Council species already have, Collector technology didn't seem nearly as advanced as Reaper technology (the Reapers just gave the Collectors the tools to collect large quantities of organic life for study and genetic material), I honestly doubt it is representative of what the Reapers are really capable of. The technology obtained from Sovereign's remains were far more useful than a base that seemed to only exist to create more Reapers, I made a judgment call that from my collective experience fighting the Collectors that they had nothing new to offer that would possibly help against the beings that created them, and there is no way to guess if the Reapers had a contingency plan in case that the Collector base was taken over. Also, the Collectors used to be Protheans. What did the Reapers use before them? For all we know, the technology you see was crudely adapted for their single purpose and nothing more.
As well, if I were to save the base, I'd feel a LOT better about saving the base for the Alliance and other Council races for study. Cerberus has a history of being unethical for very minimal gains, if any, that we've seen, Of course, there's probably dozens of success stories we don't know about, but considering Shepard was nothing more than a tool for the Illusive Man for the whole game, his purposes may even be counter-productive to preparing a defense against the Reaper threat. For all I know, the only useful technology in that base involves sacrificing more lives to gain their benefit. I'm not about to become Josef "You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs" Stalin on the vague promise it may possibly have some way to fight the Reapers. Legion even mentions that the Reapers are counting on sentient life to use the technology they provide so they develop along their lines.
Wouldn't it be a total kick to the groin to people who kept the base if it turned out that the Protheans ended up becoming the Collectors after taking the base from the previous Collector species in an attempt to stop any more of their own people from being abducted, and the technology in the base indoctrinated and changed them into the Collectors Shepard fought? Every other bit of pure Reaper tech we've witnessed has had a habit of Indoctrinating or changing people even if it's been inactive for millions of years. Not taking that risk with something else they made.
As well, if I were to save the base, I'd feel a LOT better about saving the base for the Alliance and other Council races for study. Cerberus has a history of being unethical for very minimal gains, if any, that we've seen, Of course, there's probably dozens of success stories we don't know about, but considering Shepard was nothing more than a tool for the Illusive Man for the whole game, his purposes may even be counter-productive to preparing a defense against the Reaper threat. For all I know, the only useful technology in that base involves sacrificing more lives to gain their benefit. I'm not about to become Josef "You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs" Stalin on the vague promise it may possibly have some way to fight the Reapers. Legion even mentions that the Reapers are counting on sentient life to use the technology they provide so they develop along their lines.
Wouldn't it be a total kick to the groin to people who kept the base if it turned out that the Protheans ended up becoming the Collectors after taking the base from the previous Collector species in an attempt to stop any more of their own people from being abducted, and the technology in the base indoctrinated and changed them into the Collectors Shepard fought? Every other bit of pure Reaper tech we've witnessed has had a habit of Indoctrinating or changing people even if it's been inactive for millions of years. Not taking that risk with something else they made.
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 04:22
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Sajuro wrote...
Thanix Cannons: Developed by Turians even though it was based on Sovereign's weapon... not the same thing as the collector base.
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this. Can you explain to me how the two are different?
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 04:29
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Atrocities were commited in the Collector base and they would probably continue to happen under Cerberus control. Thanix Cannons weren't developed using thousands of people as building material (since the council wouldn't let that **** fly) and apart from being based on an evil bastard machine's weapon, it's existance is relatively benign compared to the species melting, reaper making Collector base.Shandepared wrote...
Sajuro wrote...
Thanix Cannons: Developed by Turians even though it was based on Sovereign's weapon... not the same thing as the collector base.
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this. Can you explain to me how the two are different?
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 04:31
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Oh okay, so you are just making a moral plea. You aren't even trying to be logical or rational about this. That's fine I guess, just so long as you are up front about it.
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 04:41
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Thank you for that acknowledgment Shand, and I do think that morals have an important place in the debate so we don't end up breaking our arms while punching out Cthulhu (or an otherwise empty victory)
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 04:51
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The danger the Thannix cannon might pose is negligible because the plot makes it negligible.
They do not focus on this weapon, there is a Codex entry and that's it - nor does the question of whether it is safe or unsafe technology ever get brought up. When you purchase the upgrade there's no choice presented to you where you have to think, "Should I do this or not? It's Reaper technology!"
I honestly wish they'd focused on it more, so we could compare the two, but as it is it's the base the story tells us to worry over. The cannon gets no attention at all. Pity.
They do not focus on this weapon, there is a Codex entry and that's it - nor does the question of whether it is safe or unsafe technology ever get brought up. When you purchase the upgrade there's no choice presented to you where you have to think, "Should I do this or not? It's Reaper technology!"
I honestly wish they'd focused on it more, so we could compare the two, but as it is it's the base the story tells us to worry over. The cannon gets no attention at all. Pity.
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 05:30
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The Thanix Cannon was based upon Reaper technology. That's it.
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 05:30
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It's just a gun. There's no moral issues with using your enemy's gun. It doesn't have free will, it can't indoctrinate you, and it doesn't need millions of lives sacrificed to work.Nightwriter wrote...
The danger the Thannix cannon might pose is negligible because the plot makes it negligible.
They do not focus on this weapon, there is a Codex entry and that's it - nor does the question of whether it is safe or unsafe technology ever get brought up. When you purchase the upgrade there's no choice presented to you where you have to think, "Should I do this or not? It's Reaper technology!"
I honestly wish they'd focused on it more, so we could compare the two, but as it is it's the base the story tells us to worry over. The cannon gets no attention at all. Pity.
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 05:41
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Thanix cannon:
Following the Battle of the Citadel, human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.
Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys targets by impact force and irresistible heat.
Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix, their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but mountable on a fighter or frigate.
A shame Shepard can't work for the turians instead of Cerberus. The turians actualy seems to know what they are doing. Not suprisingly as they have way bigger resources than Cerberus.
Anyway it's not realy reaper tech but rather a old technology used in a new and better way inspired by reaper tech. Wich would probably explain why it isn't constantly being hacked like the reaper tech Cerberus salvages and installs in everything without much concern for the consequences.
Following the Battle of the Citadel, human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.
Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys targets by impact force and irresistible heat.
Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix, their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but mountable on a fighter or frigate.
A shame Shepard can't work for the turians instead of Cerberus. The turians actualy seems to know what they are doing. Not suprisingly as they have way bigger resources than Cerberus.
Anyway it's not realy reaper tech but rather a old technology used in a new and better way inspired by reaper tech. Wich would probably explain why it isn't constantly being hacked like the reaper tech Cerberus salvages and installs in everything without much concern for the consequences.
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 05:42
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 06:26
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Sajuro wrote...
Thanix Cannons: Developed by Turians even though it was based on Sovereign's weapon... not the same thing as the collector base.Deku Scrub wrote...
I suppose you didn't use the Thanix gun upgrade? I mean, we don't need Reaper tech!UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...
why do people destroy the collector base..UM IT WAS A PLACE THAT TOOK THE LIVES OF INNOCENTS,and ITS REAPERS TECHNOLOGY...if we use reapers weapons against them then we are saying we are weak without their tech. WE WILL BEAT THE REAPERS WITH OUR OWN SKILL AND POWER.
and many grim things happened in that place. it DESERVED to be destroyed
True, Thanix Cannon didn't require human smoothes to operate
Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 07 juin 2010 - 06:27 .
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 06:30
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Do you just insult everyone who disagrees with you or proves you wrong?Shandepared wrote...
This forum is a special-ed class, I swear to god.
Grow up.
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 06:30
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Though I'm not exactly sure that some Turians would mind using Human smoothies as fuelJohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
Sajuro wrote...
Thanix Cannons: Developed by Turians even though it was based on Sovereign's weapon... not the same thing as the collector base.Deku Scrub wrote...
I suppose you didn't use the Thanix gun upgrade? I mean, we don't need Reaper tech!UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...
why do people destroy the collector base..UM IT WAS A PLACE THAT TOOK THE LIVES OF INNOCENTS,and ITS REAPERS TECHNOLOGY...if we use reapers weapons against them then we are saying we are weak without their tech. WE WILL BEAT THE REAPERS WITH OUR OWN SKILL AND POWER.
and many grim things happened in that place. it DESERVED to be destroyed
True, Thanix Cannon didn't require human smoothes to operate
#294
Posté 07 juin 2010 - 06:32
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Shandepared, if you are indeed of such higher education then everyone here, then why don't you leave and go hang out with other such people?
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 06:40
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Cheese Elemental wrote...
Do you just insult everyone who disagrees with you or proves you wrong?Shandepared wrote...
This forum is a special-ed class, I swear to god.
Grow up.
It's called trolling, best thing to do is ignore and not feed it.
#296
Posté 07 juin 2010 - 06:49
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No need to resort to insults if you don't have any arguments.Shandepared wrote...
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 06:52
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Cause all my squadmates are disappointed with me when I keep it 
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 06:59
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Shandepared wrote...
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No need for insults, place your arguement without insults.
#299
Posté 07 juin 2010 - 07:15
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Perhaps TIMs secret plan is to use the base to fuel his Thanix cannons with human smoothies.Sajuro wrote...
Though I'm not exactly sure that some Turians would mind using Human smoothies as fuel
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Posté 07 juin 2010 - 07:19
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I personally destroyed it b/c i simply wouldn't trust TIM if i were Shepard. I make most of my decisions based on if i were Shepard. Not for paragon or reganade.
