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[cheesebreath]

Deflagratio wrote...

"By using our technology, your species develops along the paths we desire."

That's why you blow it up. The galaxy's greatest asset is it's unpredictability.


Of course, you could always just drop Shepard into a Reaper and blow it up from the inside. It's not particularly hard, and even less so if some idiot doesn't leave a science team to get Husk'd.

I bet they never anticipated that someione would break into a Reaper and steal the IFF, much less use the base against them.

I thought the base held the key to preventing indoctrination, thats why my paragon Shepard kept it.

[Xilizhra]

Wut? Cerberus is only your enemy if you're determined to have them as one.

Maybe. And if you side with them, you'll almost certainly make the Council your enemy.

[PWENER]

[quote]mosor wrote...

[It's worthy to learn about the capabilities of your enemy, but it seems best to do this without making another enemy.[/quote]

Wut? Cerberus is only your enemy if you're determined to have them as one.

[/quote]

Exactly. Giving them the Collector base effectively makes Shepard an ally of Cerberus. Like it or not, that's how it works (also in real life). I think that it's better off with them too. No one else believed Shepard, only Cerberus (the so called terrorrists who end up saving the galaxy & humanity) and that effectively makes them the galaxy's top hero organization.

They saved the freaking human race and people are still hating them. What is wrong with you people? If it wasn't for TIM... Shepard would be toast, humanity would be in the brink of extinction and no organization would be preparing to face the reapers. They more then have earned MY (and my Shepard's) trust, support and colaboration in they're future projects.

Hell, Overlord makes sense if you feel wary of the Geth. They have tech that surpasses any other race (Hammerhead). They have the best humananity has to offer in they're ranks (Shepard, Jacob, Miranda, Gardner, Joker, Dr. Chackwas, Ken & Gabby, Anderson apperantly and many others). Cerberus has what it takes to stop the Reapers, something every other race has lacked so far. Humans should be in charge, because if it wasn't for us and Cerberus, the reapers would be on they're way, Shepard would be Reaper guppy and most importantly... it was a human fleet that destroyed Sovereign in the Citadel, effectively saving the galaxy while the alien council fled the scene in ignorancy in a situation they themselves allowed to happen by grounding Shepard and the Normandy in the Citadel in ME1.

Like it or not... they come through for Shepard so far.

[DaringMoosejaw]

It doesn't bother me, because I realize Mass Effect works on video game logic. Using real logic won't jive with actual results.

[Xilizhra]

Cerberus made an indirect contribution to saving the human race by resurrecting Shepard. Shepard's species is an accident of birth; most other species (aside from those with clear mental/physical issues like the hanar and krogan) could have had the same qualities that led Shepard to greatness.

[MachineMaiden]

This is a very good question and it shows how Bioware makes you think but either way me and my brother did the opposite things for different reasons. He chose to give it to TIM because he felt that in the long run humanity could learn a lot from it and we could gain weapons or even protection from the Reapers because of it. I on the other hand chose to destroy it because I feel that is like playing with fire, so to speak, and also I never really trusted TIM. He always seemed to be hiding something from me and I expect loyalty.

At the end though the crew thought it was bad my brother did that but me they agreed with. Although we'll never really know if I or him made the right choice despite the crews reactions til 3 or even beyond (if they chose to make that a factor in future games).

[PWENER]

Xilizhra wrote...

Cerberus made an indirect contribution to saving the human race by resurrecting Shepard. Shepard's species is an accident of birth; most other species (aside from those with clear mental/physical issues like the hanar and krogan) could have had the same qualities that led Shepard to greatness.

Just because they could have doesn't cut it. They didn't and that's what matters. Cerberus and Shepard did and in the end of the day... that's what really is important. Who and why. You can't take credit away from someone because someone else could have also done it.

Be fair and give credit where credit is due. Don't be a Turian councilor Xilizhra.

[Barquiel]

PWENER wrote...


They saved the freaking human race and people are still hating them. What is wrong with you people? If it wasn't for TIM... Shepard would be toast, humanity would be in the brink of extinction and no organization would be preparing to face the reapers. They more then have earned MY (and my Shepard's) trust, support and colaboration in they're future projects.

If it wasn't for...

- Tali (evidence against Saren)
- Shiala (cipher)
- Liara (read Shepard's mind = Ilos)
- Mordin (seeker swarm defence)
- Feron (helped Liara)
- or the council (made Shep a spectre)

...Shepard (and the galaxy) would be toast

aliens

[DPSSOC]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ok then just wasn't sure. Thought you might be referring to giving the base to TIM making the Council your enemy. Had that been the case I'd have been forced to point out they haven't been particularly useful as allies thus far.

As for Cerberus being your enemy just remember that the enemy of my enemy is my friend and until the Reapers are taken care of cooperation is still in their, and your, best interests.

>snip<And the reason the Council hasn't been useful as allies is because the Reapers are a nebulous and unproven threat; you, on the other hand, are a clear and present threat, as is Cerberus.

They weren't particularly useful as allies in ME1 either.

Xilizhra wrote...
Cerberus made an indirect contribution to saving the human race by resurrecting Shepard. Shepard's species is an accident of birth; most other species (aside from those with clear mental/physical issues like the hanar and krogan) could have had the same qualities that led Shepard to greatness.

Could have but didn't.  Any organization with the funds and firepower (and there are a few) could have gone after the Collectors, they didn't.  Cerberus saw a threat to humanity, investigated it, and took steps to stop it.  Neither the Alliance nor the Council can make the same claim.

[Xilizhra]

Just because they could have doesn't cut it. They didn't and that's what matters. Cerberus and Shepard did and in the end of the day... that's what really is important. Who and why. You can't take credit away from someone because someone else could have also done it.



Be fair and give credit where credit is due. Don't be a Turian councilor Xilizhra.

Cerberus was acting out of self-interest. Humans can't found a supremacist empire if the Reapers kill everything (though if TIM ever hears about Harbinger's "salvation through destruction" plan, expect him to switch sides faster than you can say "Saren 2.0"),

[PWENER]

I never said anything about aliens, but Cerberus has done more than anyone else in the games.



I don't care they're supremacist or terrorist. All I care is that they'll help fight the reapers and save the galaxy.



I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus is recognized as the galaxy's heroes along Shepard after the Reapers are dealt with.

[Xilizhra]

I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus is recognized as the galaxy's heroes along Shepard after the Reapers are dealt with.

Not if I have anything to do with it. I'll give credit where credit is due; to the Alliance for training me, the Council for making me a Spectre, and my squads for helping me accomplish everything. I'll give TIM something for resurrecting me, but I intend to arrest him in any case, and dismantle Cerberus.

[PWENER]

Xilizhra wrote...

Just because they could have doesn't cut it. They didn't and that's what matters. Cerberus and Shepard did and in the end of the day... that's what really is important. Who and why. You can't take credit away from someone because someone else could have also done it.

Be fair and give credit where credit is due. Don't be a Turian councilor Xilizhra.

Cerberus was acting out of self-interest. Humans can't found a supremacist empire if the Reapers kill everything (though if TIM ever hears about Harbinger's "salvation through destruction" plan, expect him to switch sides faster than you can say "Saren 2.0"),

Another great example of people assuming things they don't want or do not understand. Cerberus did sace humanity because it was in they're interest, it's they're job dummy. Wouldn't the Alliance have done the same? (oh wait... THEY DIDN"T! ****s). Cerberus may want human dominace... but so do the Turians (read the codex).

The galxy isn't doing much good with the aliens in charge. Humanity has saved the galaxy twice already in a spam of 2 years. Now tell me Im wrong, but the other are idiotic peace morons bent into specism (regarding the Volus has a lesser race) and dominance of three ruling races. So who is the true racist now? Cerberus (who saved the galaxy) or a goverment that condemmed the krogan to anhiliation with the Genophage?

[PWENER]

Xilizhra wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus is recognized as the galaxy's heroes along Shepard after the Reapers are dealt with.

Not if I have anything to do with it. I'll give credit where credit is due; to the Alliance for training me, the Council for making me a Spectre, and my squads for helping me accomplish everything. I'll give TIM something for resurrecting me, but I intend to arrest him in any case, and dismantle Cerberus.

Are you really this naive?

Alliance:

1. Sat in they're asses while humans disappeared.

2. Allowed the Council to ground shepard in the citadel thus allowing the Geth's invasion on the Citadel.

4. Didn't even bother to look for shepard's body or the Normandy's resting place (you will be missed).

5. disbanded the Normandy crew.

Coucil:

1. Made you a spectre out of fear of human retaliation.

2. Grounded Shepard in the Citadel, blah, blah, blah.

3. Dismissed the reapers as a joke (not myth, but a joke).

Enjoy your allies...

[PWENER]

[DOUBLE POST]

stupid retarded forums.

Modifié par PWENER, 22 septembre 2010 - 08:52 .

[Asheer_Khan]

PWENER wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus is recognized as the galaxy's heroes along Shepard after the Reapers are dealt with.

Not if I have anything to do with it. I'll give credit where credit is due; to the Alliance for training me, the Council for making me a Spectre, and my squads for helping me accomplish everything. I'll give TIM something for resurrecting me, but I intend to arrest him in any case, and dismantle Cerberus.

Are you really this naive?

Alliance:

1. Sat in they're asses while humans disappeared.

-Here we go again... lets blame Alliance for RESPECTING LAW in regard of terminus status

2. Allowed the Council to ground shepard in the citadel thus allowing the Geth's invasion on the Citadel.

-HELLO!!!... it was UDINA who issued illegal order to ground Normandy because Council have no executive power to ground ACTIVE Spectre.

4. Didn't even bother to look for shepard's body or the Normandy's resting place (you will be missed).

-Because they act with pure logic, no one with clear mind would ever assuming that seeing what happened above Alchera could have different end than empty grave on Military Cementery (as is in many cases of Soldiers declared as MiA (like Kaidan/Ashley's grave for example)).
Shepard returned ONLY thanks to Liara's determination to find her/his body (and later on risk her life to stop deal between Collector and SB agents when cerberus did nothing to prevent Tazzik leaving Omega with Shepard's corpse).

5. disbanded the Normandy crew.

-Why would they keep crew together when they lost ship and thier Commanding Officer?
It's standard  military procedure to relocated rescued crew to other ships or put on board of new ship.
And since at that time Normandy was unique in her class they simply relocated remaining crew.

And by the way Joker should be really happy to be just "grounded" instead of facing Court Martial for disobeying direct order of his Commanding Officer and because of that caused her/his death.
In current military law those two points mean Life Term prison without right to appeal or early release for good behavior IF you lucky and Country you serve don't have death penalty active.

Coucil:

1. Made you a spectre out of fear of human retaliation.

-WHAT are you talking about?
I am more than sure that in ME 1 time Turians just prays for any kind of carte Blanche to finish what was started on Shanxi but last thing you can say is that Council was afraid of humanity...

2. Grounded Shepard in the Citadel, blah, blah, blah.

-Again IT WAS UDINA not Council!!!

3. Dismissed the reapers as a joke (not myth, but a joke).

-This goes solemly on Mac walters account and his idiotic approach to ME in whole.
He admited personally in one of the interview about ME 2 when he got question why Council act to stupid

Because that was my vision...

And that was only made in order to eleveted cerberus to absolutely undeserved "glory" hidden behind "necessary evil" foolishness...

Enjoy your allies...

Replys in bold<_<

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 22 septembre 2010 - 09:23 .

[PWENER]

I stand by my point of view and i respect yours. I want human dominance and you want brotherhood.



Two sides of two different coins.

[smudboy]

Barquiel wrote...

PWENER wrote...


They saved the freaking human race and people are still hating them. What is wrong with you people? If it wasn't for TIM... Shepard would be toast, humanity would be in the brink of extinction and no organization would be preparing to face the reapers. They more then have earned MY (and my Shepard's) trust, support and colaboration in they're future projects.

If it wasn't for...

- Tali (evidence against Saren)
- Shiala (cipher)
- Liara (read Shepard's mind = Ilos)
- Mordin (seeker swarm defence)
- Feron (helped Liara)
- or the council (made Shep a spectre)

...Shepard (and the galaxy) would be toast

aliens

Mmm.  Delicious plot integrity.  Needs a side order of character exposition, though.

[DPSSOC]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

PWENER wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus is recognized as the galaxy's heroes along Shepard after the Reapers are dealt with.

Not if I have anything to do with it. I'll give credit where credit is due; to the Alliance for training me, the Council for making me a Spectre, and my squads for helping me accomplish everything. I'll give TIM something for resurrecting me, but I intend to arrest him in any case, and dismantle Cerberus.

Are you really this naive?

Alliance:

2. Allowed the Council to ground shepard in the citadel thus allowing the Geth's invasion on the Citadel.

-HELLO!!!... it was UDINA who issued illegal order to ground Normandy because Council have no executive power to ground ACTIVE Spectre.

Wouldn't the Council be the only ones with power to ground an active Spectre?

Asheer_Khan wrote...

PWENER wrote...
Council:

1. Made you a spectre out of fear of human retaliation.

-WHAT are you talking about?
I am more than sure that in ME 1 time Turians just prays for any kind of carte Blanche to finish what was started on Shanxi but last thing you can say is that Council was afraid of humanity...

It's alluded to throughout the game, and in the codex I believe, that the Council are wary of humanity because of their novel tactics and aggressive nature.  To placate humanity they gave them a quick embassy and a Spectre.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 22 septembre 2010 - 09:42 .

[PWENER]

Is there anyone here that is willing to get on my side...?



[flamed in 3..... 2..... 1......]

[Xilizhra]

Few people are willing to stand by open racism, I'm afraid. You're on your own.

[Inverness Moon]

Xilizhra wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus is recognized as the galaxy's heroes along Shepard after the Reapers are dealt with.

Not if I have anything to do with it. I'll give credit where credit is due; to the Alliance for training me, the Council for making me a Spectre, and my squads for helping me accomplish everything. I'll give TIM something for resurrecting me, but I intend to arrest him in any case, and dismantle Cerberus.

Let's not forget that TIM pushed for the creation of the original Normandy. I doubt you could have saved the galaxy without it. And he also had Cerberus build the SR2.

Not only did Cerberus give you a second chance at life, but they also gave you the tools you needed to complete your mission against the collectors.

TIM believes that history will vindicate Cerberus, and I believe the whole deal with the reapers will do exactly that.

[Xilizhra]

Not only did Cerberus give you a second chance at life, but they also gave you the tools you needed to complete your mission against the collectors.

And I did. Deal completed. I can ignore them, unless they get in my way, in which case they'll be crushed.

[PWENER]

Xilizhra is just like Kaiden/Ashley. Stuck in the past and very, very naive in his defense against Cerberus. We have enough problems with the Reapers already, I don't need another enemy in my already encumbered roster of people who want Shepard's head.



Also, how do you plan to eliminate a multi Billionaire corporation (Aerospace) and an organoization as big as Cerberus with only the Normandy and your crew?



I have bigger things to worry about then running around after cerberus. Get with the program. the reapers are coming and you need all the help you can get (that includes Cerberus).

[Asheer_Khan]

[quote]DPSSOC wrote...

[quote]Asheer_Khan wrote...
[quote]PWENER wrote...

[quote]Xilizhra wrote...



[quote]I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus is recognized as the galaxy's heroes along Shepard after the Reapers are dealt with.[/quote]
Not if I have anything to do with it. I'll give credit where credit is due; to the Alliance for training me, the Council for making me a Spectre, and my squads for helping me accomplish everything. I'll give TIM something for resurrecting me, but I intend to arrest him in any case, and dismantle Cerberus.[/quote]

Are you really this naive?

Alliance:

2. Allowed the Council to ground shepard in the citadel thus allowing the Geth's invasion on the Citadel.[/quote]

-HELLO!!!... it was UDINA who issued illegal order to ground Normandy because Council have no executive power to ground ACTIVE Spectre.
[/quote]

Wouldn't the Council be the only ones with power to ground an active Spectre?

-Yes they could but then they would create dangerous precedence to actively interfere with Spectre activity.
Even info about Virmire was delivered to Shepard as unoficial initiative fro side of Asariand Salarian Councilors (Turian Councilor was not present during that transmission).
That's why Council could legaly grounded Shepard only after revoking her/his Spectre status.

Of course i have no doubts that they did influenced Udina's acting but he should used his brain too instead of looking for scoring couple "approval points" with Council and because of that putting galaxy on the edge of Katana.

[quote]Asheer_Khan wrote...
[quote]PWENER wrote...
Council:

1. Made you a spectre out of fear of human retaliation.

-WHAT are you talking about?
I am more than sure that in ME 1 time Turians just prays for any kind of carte Blanche to finish what was started on Shanxi but last thing you can say is that Council was afraid of humanity...
[/quote]

It's alluded to throughout the game, and in the codex I believe, that the Council are wary of humanity because of their novel tactics and aggressive nature.  To placate humanity they gave them a quick embassy and a Spectre.

-Well seeing Turian Councilor reaction i wouldn't say that he WAS afraid of saying NO for Shepard's promotion but he was out voted 2 : 1 in Shepard's favor.

Somehow i think that whole humanity "ascension" within Citadel ranks in so short time in compare to other species was influenced mostly by Asari since i think (there is no info about that however) they lead Peace talks between Humans and Turians  and later on Asari Councilor without hesitation agreed with idea of fast Shepards addmission to Spectres.
She was always the one Councilor who takes Shepard side when Turian Councilor earned more and more reasons to recive strong punch the face.

[/quote]

Again, replys in bold.