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[Asheer_Khan]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Right now the Council is the only group "letting" people die. The Council would continue sending you after Geth until the Reapers return. They could very well be indoctrinated to deny the existence of Reapers.

*head desk*...

Sorry that Council is not Russian Goverment ready to declare war to anyone "violating" rights of thier citizens (like Summer War with Georgia)... but LAW ABIDING organization.

Beside hose people show Alliance and the Couuncil middle finger in first place by settling in war zone knowing how risky that area is...  hell even when Alliance did made attempt to help by installing defence turrets they still complain (it would be great to get info who sabotaged those turrets, colonists or cerberus mole to eased Collectors attack) untill for everything was too late.

[chris025657]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Wasn't really a sacrifice when the colonies being obducted are a constant.

I suppose that's a better way of saying it. The abduction of colonies does not differ between choosing Horizon and looking for alternatives. Only, choosing Horizon saves lives and makes the Collectors more cautious. 

[General User]

The Horizon counter-strike was, imo, a well planned operation, and conceptually brilliant. TIM made one very critical error that, BTGOG, was not fatal; he should have included Shepard in the planning from the start.
 
In this instance the operation was a resounding success, but not including your tactical commander (who is also your point man for the entire counter-collector campaign) is inexcusable, and frankly stupid. 
 
TIM has some serious control issues.

[UNAVAILABLE]

DPSSOC wrote...

UNAVAILABLE wrote...
Also, I've been thinking more about your theory that the Reapers have never faced this kind of opposition before, having always won by suprise. My question then is "why are they big massive warships instead of stealthy super fast strike bombers?"

Because they would face resistance every cycle just nothing pre-emptive or co-ordinated. 
I'm sure when the Reapers showed up they had to engage whatever forces the Protheans
had defending the Citadel, and similarly every colony they attacked with a defense
force.  That kind of resistance they're prepared for not people thwarting their
plans before they even arrive.

Before I begin, please note that I didn't have time to finish my previous reply to you. As such I'm replying to part of one of your previous posts in addition to your most recent. Apologies for any confusion.

What I'm curious about is the process by which the Reapers gained the ability to overcome any resistance they encounter. The Krogan didn't become super powerful because they won their battles, but because their environment wiped most of them out. I'm thinking that the Reapers had to undergo a similar process. I'm speculating one of their first fights was against a race with the technical prowess of the Protheans, the reproductive and population sustaining abilities of the Rachni, and the disposition/love of war of the Krogan. As a result of this war and the relative thrashing the Reapers took at the hands of these enemies, they were forced to "up the evolutionary ante" so to speak, thus forcing the Reapers to reinvent themselves as the massive juggernauts we all know and love.

This is however entirely speculation on my part so take it with a grain of salt.

Mine too. But I was indeed asking your opinion.

DPSSOC wrote...

UNAVAILABLE wrote...
I agree that there isn't time to gather new forces unless Shepard doesn't immediately come through the relay. However, Harbinger certainly has time to deploy the forces he has a lot more effectively.

How is it not effective he's set up a 3 tier defense.  First you've got the rubble, if you get past the rubble theirs the Occulli, and if you survive the Occulli you face the Collector ship.  Pikemen, archers, artillery.

With the exception of the debris and the Occulli, none of the defenses work in conjunction with each other (and considering at least one of the Occulli crashed into the debris, even that's debatable). Once you get to the base, forces seem unprepared. If you are right, and Harbinger assumes the Normandy destroyed, why not deploy Collectors to search the wreckage. Especially since Harbinger seems so interested in Shepard's body (for Reaper conversion, I'm guessing). But there should be swarms of husks at each entrance, not as the primary threat themselves, but to make Shepard's movement difficult while snipers open fire. There are no mines, or traps.

Harbinger is turning out to be a serial underestimater. At a certain point this continued arrogance seems to counter the idea that this is a machine with thousands of years of combat experience.

The same could be said of Sauron, Lex Luthor, and practically every other evil mastermind every to grace fiction.  If the enemy were truly capable we couldn't beat them, that doesn't make for a fun game.

What!?! I was totally hoping that the plot line for ME3 was going to be Shepard trying to figure out how to leave a warning message for the NEXT civilization to discover the Citadel . . . "This is Commander Shepard of the SSV Normandy. My entire galactic civilization was wiped out by a race of giant machines. We had advanced warning that they were coming, but they wiped us out while we were arguing over whether or not to blow up the bloody Collector Base..."

Seriously though, you can have a game where the enemy seems more unbeatable. The battle around the station is handled almost entirely through cutscenes (the easiest way to add heavy defenses that Shepard cheerfully blasts aside). Also, you would just have more weak enemies for Shepard to grind through.

[partial off topic alert] I have to give Sauron a little more credit. His assumption that the Ring would overcome the willpower of any mortal was fundamentally correct, he was just wrong about how long it would take for some beings. Harbinger's assumption that the O-4 relay was impenetrable (if indeed that was his assumption) is just wrong. I'm assuming that's the parallel you're drawing to the Lord of the Rings?

Modifié par UNAVAILABLE, 26 septembre 2010 - 12:33 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Right now the Council is the only group "letting" people die. The Council would continue sending you after Geth until the Reapers return. They could very well be indoctrinated to deny the existence of Reapers.

*head desk*...

Sorry that Council is not Russian Goverment ready to declare war to anyone "violating" rights of thier citizens (like Summer War with Georgia)... but LAW ABIDING organization.

Beside hose people show Alliance and the Couuncil middle finger in first place by settling in war zone knowing how risky that area is...  hell even when Alliance did made attempt to help by installing defence turrets they still complain (it would be great to get info who sabotaged those turrets, colonists or cerberus mole to eased Collectors attack) untill for everything was too late.

Everyone's showing everybody the middle finger in ME, lol. 

But I'm not saying the Council has to declare war... but it's totally different to deny or dismiss things without even an investigation or anything more than a "well they shouldn't have been out there" answer.  If you hadn't saved them, they would not have even listened to you.  They're pretty constant in running off with their own thoughts instead of looking for any real truth behind things.

[mosor]

Shandepared wrote...

smudboy wrote...

I might not be aware, but isn't there an attack on Ferris Fields and New Canton, after the assault on Horizon?

No I'm quite certain that Ferris Fields is taken before and and New Canton drops out of contact before Horizon. It is only after Horizon though that it is confirmed that New Canton was hit by the Collectors. It's been a while since I played and listened to all the Normandy Crew conversations though.

What you say is correct. Ferris  Fields is pre-horizon  and New Canton dropped out of contact pre-horizon, though Rolston comments that his family escaped New Canton post horizon. Checking them on Horizon effectively stopped the colony abductions.

Modifié par mosor, 26 septembre 2010 - 01:50 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Oh, look who's back! And not even 23 hours after giving a good day!

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Right now the Council is the only group "letting" people die. The Council would continue sending you after Geth until the Reapers return. They could very well be indoctrinated to deny the existence of Reapers.

*head desk*...

Sorry that Council is not Russian Goverment ready to declare war to anyone "violating" rights of thier citizens (like Summer War with Georgia)... but LAW ABIDING organization.

The Council wouldn't declare war on people declaring war on their associates either, as evidenced by the Geth invasion, which they largely stood by and let humans do the fighting. Then, after the Geth attacked the Citadel, they didn't declare war on the Geth either.

Not that the Council will it send non-war support either, pushing it off on the Alliance (which, on a playthrough where the Council is kept, is too weak to handle it because it sacrifieced for the Council).

Beside hose people show Alliance and the Couuncil middle finger in first place by settling in war zone knowing how risky that area is...  hell even when Alliance did made attempt to help by installing defence turrets they still complain

The Terminus isn't a war zone. It's relatively dangerous, but
settling it is one of the first steps to making regions safer, and is
one of the things the Council has been pushing humanity and the Alliance
to do in general. Even Anderson in ME1 will tell you about how the Council encourages human expansion with one hand, and then refuses to help when they get in trouble. The finger goes both ways.

(it would be great to get info who sabotaged those turrets, colonists or cerberus mole to eased Collectors attack) untill for everything was too late.

Or, who knows, it could have been the Collectors.

But no! It must have been Cerberus. Because Cerberus went through a lot of trouble getting Alenko/Williams to be assigned to Horizon to set up those towers, so that they could be hacked by Cerberus on behalf of the Collectors, so that they could be turned on when Shepard came in order to drive away the Collectors. Because Cerberus is BADBADBAD, and thus must also be idiots.

[Arijharn]

Asheer; you talk a lot about how there's always better alternatives, but why is it you haven't offered one that makes sense?



I know you hate Cerberus with a fiery passion, but why is it that you are unable to admit that TIM actually saved lives by providing a target as opposed to letting the Collectors strike on their own whim?

[Asheer_Khan]

Arijharn wrote...

Asheer; you talk a lot about how there's always better alternatives, but why is it you haven't offered one that makes sense?

I know you hate Cerberus with a fiery passion, but why is it that you are unable to admit that TIM actually saved lives by providing a target as opposed to letting the Collectors strike on their own whim?

Sorry, if you are blind then don't expect from me to explan you how colors looks.<_<.

[Arijharn]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Asheer; you talk a lot about how there's always better alternatives, but why is it you haven't offered one that makes sense?

I know you hate Cerberus with a fiery passion, but why is it that you are unable to admit that TIM actually saved lives by providing a target as opposed to letting the Collectors strike on their own whim?

Sorry, if you are blind then don't expect from me to explan you how colors looks.<_<.

If you spent less time attempting to insult me and more time actually explaining your vaunted strategies, then perhaps people wouldn't be so quick to call you a 'military ignoramus.' 

[Gibb_Shepard]

 There are two reason i destroy the base:

1. I do not trust TIM as far as i could throw him, that guy is seriously "backstab" material no matter how you look at it.

2. "Your civilisation is based from our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire".

That's good enough reason for me, i will never keep the collector base.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 26 septembre 2010 - 11:49 .

[Asheer_Khan]

Arijharn wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Asheer; you talk a lot about how there's always better alternatives, but why is it you haven't offered one that makes sense?

I know you hate Cerberus with a fiery passion, but why is it that you are unable to admit that TIM actually saved lives by providing a target as opposed to letting the Collectors strike on their own whim?

Sorry, if you are blind then don't expect from me to explan you how colors looks.<_<.

If you spent less time attempting to insult me and more time actually explaining your vaunted strategies, then perhaps people wouldn't be so quick to call you a 'military ignoramus.' 

If you haven't understand my methaphore then we have nothing more to discuss in this subject.

[Arijharn]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Asheer; you talk a lot about how there's always better alternatives, but why is it you haven't offered one that makes sense?

I know you hate Cerberus with a fiery passion, but why is it that you are unable to admit that TIM actually saved lives by providing a target as opposed to letting the Collectors strike on their own whim?

Sorry, if you are blind then don't expect from me to explan you how colors looks.<_<.

If you spent less time attempting to insult me and more time actually explaining your vaunted strategies, then perhaps people wouldn't be so quick to call you a 'military ignoramus.' 

If you haven't understand my methaphore then we have nothing more to discuss in this subject.

I do understand your metaphor, I also understand that you've dodged the issue.

You state that it's patently obvious, but since you can't even indulge me on this issue I can only conclude that you have no answer, and that's fine... you just should be honest about it.

Lets say two colonies have 1000 occupants each, lets call these colonies A and B. If TIM warns the Alliance which persuades them to mount some sort of defense (and manages to get people closely tied to Shephard's past actions to also appear) in addition to Shephard's guaranteed appearance at about a certain time at colony A, which leads to 500 of those occupants to be saved, then is that not numerically superior to the zero occupants saved at colony B if TIM did nothing?

[Asheer_Khan]

No, i haven't dodged issue, but after seeing your last post i simply don't see any more reasons to discuss with your side.

[Urazz]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

 There are two reason i destroy the base:

1. I do not trust TIM as far as i could throw him, that guy is seriously "backstab" material no matter how you look at it.

2. "Your civilisation is based from our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire".

That's good enough reason for me, i will never keep the collector base.

Pretty much the reasons why I destroy it.  Though not trusting TiM is the main one.  If it was to give the technology to the Council or the Alliance, then it would be another matter entirely.

[Arijharn]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

No, i haven't dodged issue, but after seeing your last post i simply don't see any more reasons to discuss with your side.

I thought you would want to protect your position, evidently I was wrong. In short, grow up. If you want to discuss these issues as if they're realistic, then discuss them.

As it is, I don't think you're capable.

[smudboy]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

No, i haven't dodged issue, but after seeing your last post i simply don't see any more reasons to discuss with your side.

Hi, I'm new here!  So what's your strategy for stopping the Collectors?

(Please don't use metaphors.  My brain is dumb.)

Thank you :innocent:

[DiagonalLotus]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

No, i haven't dodged issue, but after seeing your last post i simply don't see any more reasons to discuss with your side.

Stop saying words. You clearly haven't any conversational skills, nor the ability to disect a situation and come up with anything reasonable in response to it.

[Asheer_Khan]

God... too bad that this forum don't have REAL moderators...

[DiagonalLotus]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

God... too bad that this forum don't have REAL moderators...

I know, cuz then they could get rid of pompous idiots who just troll. *cough*

[Asheer_Khan]

DiagonalLotus wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

God... too bad that this forum don't have REAL moderators...

I know, cuz then they could get rid of pompous idiots who just troll. *cough*

REPORTED<_<.

[DPSSOC]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

2. "Your civilisation is based from our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire".

That's good enough reason for me, i will never keep the collector base.

The actual quote is "Your civilization is based on the technology of the Mass Relays, our technology.  By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire."

Based on the direct reference to Mass Relays, and Vigil's revelation of how the Reapers operate, I took the use of "paths" to be more literal.  If civilizations developed their own means of interstellar travel the Reapers wouldn't be able to just lock down the relays and isolate systems.

Even if I'm wrong though there's more to be gained from the base than just tech to use.  By studying their tech we can find weaknesses to exploit as well as countermeasures to their weapons.  If I pick up an enemy weapon it doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to use and produce more, I could just looke for ways to limit it's effectiveness.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 26 septembre 2010 - 02:42 .