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[Sailears]

I don't trust TIM with the base. It's reaper tech, and as Sovereign said we will be forced to develop down a path which they may be prepared for. Danger of indoctrination. And finally, yes it is an abomination - as long as it exists, it has the potential to be used for the wrong purpose.

[Skyblade012]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

DaBigDragon wrote...

Not destroying the Collector Base would be like not stopping the **** Concentration Camps in World War II because we could "learn from" the methods and technologies used there.

That's not a very good analogy. Don't get me wrong, I think keeping the base is foolish, but there was no looming threat to make grabbing new tech vital in WWII. This would be more like stopping the concentration camps... But knowing that if you let them run, they might give you a significant advantage against Cthulhu or something. 

There was also no continued danger.  This would be more akin to refusing to study the Concentration Camps after they were shut down.  The Reaper forge was believed to be shut down, with its workers dead and no more humans to feed it.  Stopping it was like stopping the Concentration Camps.  The rest is merely a decision whether or not to study it.

Of course, we have no actual evidence that the forge is shut down.  Since it was built by the Reapers, sentient machines, it is quite possibly fully automatic, with Collectors more for servicing and gathering parts than anything else.

[megatron999]

Curunen wrote...

I don't trust TIM with the base. It's reaper tech, and as Sovereign said we will be forced to develop down a path which they may be prepared for. Danger of indoctrination. And finally, yes it is an abomination - as long as it exists, it has the potential to be used for the wrong purpose.

You could say the same thing about the Atom bomb yet it worked on Japan.
Using the base will save millions of lives in the long run. There is a risk that TIM will misuse it but I thnik Sheperd will take over Cerberaus.

[STG]

Skyblade012 wrote...

STG wrote...

Actually wouldn't that base have more information on Prothean rather than reaper technology?

Maybe there could be some info on how to make mass relays in there somewhere. Just thinking out loud here.

Nope.

The Protheans did not build that station.  It was built long before the Protheans even existed.  It was built by the Reapers long ago, and positioned on the other side of the Omega 4 relay to hide it.  That's why there are so many ships around it, and why they are described as "Ancient" by Joker.  There is only one known ancient race: the Protheans.  They would not have lost ships on the other side of that relay if they had built the station.  They, along with so many of the civilizations before them, lost ships trying to find out what was there.  The Reapers built that station, the Collectors merely use it.

Didn't know about that actually. Is it from the codex or something?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

No, I don't believe so. I think he's just extrapolating from what was presented in the game.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 01 juin 2010 - 09:17 .

[Daewan]

Paragon: Knew better than to trust TIM with that kind of power, given his amazing track record for stabbing his minions in the back.

Renegade: Was totally going to keep it but Garrus disapproved and she decided to go with his instinct. Plus, she really really likes explosions. Hey, roleplaying is fun.

Again, the issue isn't what keeping it so much as it is who is keeping it. Cerberus. And not just some random cell, it would be TIM's personal Cerberus cell. That means that once he gets it, no one else will know where it is, who is working on it, or whether the project is succeeding or not. So if something goes wrong, like say, TIM gets indoctrinated, no one would know until it is too late. That's a really big risk, with very high likelihood of coming true, for the rather remote possibility of finding out something we don't already know or have access to in a less dangerous form.

[Khayness]

Everything what can be misused, will be misused.
I'm only curious that how does it grow a Reaper out of organic materials. Can you grow a Reaper out of a billion Shifty Looking Cows?

Modifié par Khayness, 01 juin 2010 - 09:19 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

I wanted to see an explosion.







Needless to say, I was not disappointed.

[Skyblade012]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

megatron999 wrote...

Curunen wrote...

I don't trust TIM with the base. It's reaper tech, and as Sovereign said we will be forced to develop down a path which they may be prepared for. Danger of indoctrination. And finally, yes it is an abomination - as long as it exists, it has the potential to be used for the wrong purpose.

You could say the same thing about the Atom bomb yet it worked on Japan.
Using the base will save millions of lives in the long run. There is a risk that TIM will misuse it but I thnik Sheperd will take over Cerberaus.

Another misplaced analogy. The nuclear-bomb drops on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were completely unnecessary. Japan was already defeated, all they were doing was to find a way to end the war without loosing their face. They would have rather capitulated instead of their sacred homeland getting invaded. They had no more troops, no more ressources and no more material to fight for more than a month against the US. Keeping that in mind, it is a miracle that this is not considered as a warcrime, which it is.

No, it's not.  Japan was still fighting holdouts.  They had lost, yes, but had not ceased fighting.  They had no way to win, but they could make losing far, far more costly for both sides, and they would have.  Far more people would have been lost in the press to Japan than were lost in both of the nuclear detonations.  Japan had its head buried in the sand so much that they couldn't admit they had lost, and didn't care how many people they had to throw away in their madness.  The nukes were wakeup calls.  They were horrible, and we can only pray that they never have to be used again, but they had a very important purpose, and they served it completely.

[Sajuro]

Khayness wrote...

Everything what can be misused, will be misused.
I'm only curious that how does it grow a Reaper out of organic materials. Can you grow a Reaper out of a billion Shifty Looking Cows?

may god help us all.....

[Sajuro]

Khayness wrote...

Everything what can be misused, will be misused.
I'm only curious that how does it grow a Reaper out of organic materials. Can you grow a Reaper out of a billion Shifty Looking Cows?

may god help us all.....

[Barquiel]

I destroyed the base because I didn't want TIM to have it.

I wanted to give the base to the Council (evidence, every species would benefit if we find something useful)...this is no option...I destroyed the base!

Modifié par Barquiel, 01 juin 2010 - 09:34 .

[crimzontearz]

if the option was to give the base to the Council or the Alliance my shepard would have kept it but there was not way in HELL he was gonna give it to TIM

[Notho]

Someone's probably already said it, but if there were a way to give it to the Counsil instead of Cerberus, I'd probably be tempted to keep it.

[NocturnalStillness]

In my canon file, I destroyed the base because my Shepard believed that keeping it would cause trouble in the long run as it is Reaper technology and he believes there is the threat of indoctrination.



However my Renegade female shep kept the base because she wants a crazy over powered reaper-tech sniper rifle made from the technology lol

[Notho]

Note to self: Read second page before posting.



Right there with you, crimzontearz

[mosor]

I usually keep the base. At worst, Cerberus will never be the threat the reapers are. Better to have the intel and the tech.

[Pacifien]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...
Matriarch Aethyta says lots of things. Don't take them all at face value. 

Hey, I only said she implied it, not that the asari were actually capable of building their own mass relays.

But honestly, they really should have looked into it by now.

[crimzontearz]

Notho wrote...

Note to self: Read second page before posting.

Right there with you, crimzontearz

yep

althought I would be tempted to keep it if the payoff in ME3 was to be an awesome reapertech armor

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...


Another misplaced analogy. The nuclear-bomb drops on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were completely unnecessary. Japan was already defeated, all they were doing was to find a way to end the war without loosing their face. They would have rather capitulated instead of their sacred homeland getting invaded. They had no more troops, no more ressources and no more material to fight for more than a month against the US. Keeping that in mind, it is a miracle that this is not considered as a warcrime, which it is.

Ah, what? Japan wouldn't have surrendered. Hell, there were some in their military leadership who wanted to continue the war even after getting nuked twice. Their Emperor had to literally step in and use the fact that he's basically a living god in Shinto to get Japan to surrender, after being nuked. This is the same country that created formal kamikaze units; hell, they're the ones who coined the term kamikaze.

There were some in the Japanese government who were arguing for a conditional surrender, but they lacked the power to overrule the military leadership, and from what I recall of my research on this matter during college, the conditions they asked for were rediculously generous and completely unlikely to be granted anyway. Things like the Japanese keeping all their leaders, keeping much of the territory they'd gained through conquest, etc.  

Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki is tragic and regrettable, but it's no war crime. Only someone who's ignorant of history or has an axe to grind would think so.

Now, to drag this post back on topic... What TIM would likely do with the collector base would probably count as a war crime. I'd bet fifty credits on him gleefully feeding people into the smoothie machine in hopes of making and controlling his own reaper.

Edit:

However my Renegade female shep kept the base because she wants a crazy
over powered reaper-tech sniper rifle made from the technology lol

I support Thanix Rifle research for ME3.

Modifié par Cpl_Facehugger, 01 juin 2010 - 09:45 .

[Armatyr]

you guys do realize half the upgrades in the game are Cerberus researched thus i dont see how they are inept. i think the fact that we are all bad ass life cheating Shepards has swayed our logic when it comes to realizing that everyone but Shepard can handle a situation its not just Cerberus but even the stupid council.

[crimzontearz]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Rzepik2 wrote...

Because they're all goody-goody paragons. I'm pretty sure that's the most important reason. Some blue numbers can be a stronger impulse than a rational analyze.

This for some players.
The goody-goody Paragon will argue that destroying the base is the best decision.  Simply because it is the paragon decision in the game.

and the smart paragons will argue that you are handing over the most powerful tech in the galaxy to a guy that has no issue putting anyone in danger and is leading an organization that always ALWAYS fails at every experimental trial they do to the point  you are often called in to clean up their messes

yeah

I am totally giving THEM the reaper tech to play with

[Thompson family]

KalosCast wrote...

Pretty much every time that we screw around with Reaper tech, it comes to bite us in the ass.

That sums things up nicely.

We can't even use their IFF without a a disaster.