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[Dean_the_Young]

Isn't that why we're all here?



That, and too tear into the new people who come in bearing arguments that both sides have long since laughed aside.

[Nightwriter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

I wish Bioware finally grew a quad and make choices matter in the game play. If you dont have the base, billions of innocents will die by the hands of the reapers, the military will be crippled, planets will fall, but atleast the survivors are friends now. If you save the base, humanity leads the charge against the reapers, saving countless lives. They hate you for being so powerful now, but atleast they are alive enough to be able to hate. No good deed goes unpunished.

You just wanted to say you’d like your judgment to be rewarded and our judgment to be punished?

We already knew you wanted that.

Don't go for cheap shots when you know you're being selective, Nightwriter. It goes both ways: when a clearly choreographed choice like the Collector Base appears, there should be a noticable difference. But if the windfall falls with a Paragon decision (save the Rachni), that too should matter.

Lol, how was that a cheap shot?

The fact that we're all selective is exactly what I'm trying to say. We all want our decision to be the right one. So what's the use of saying "I hope you guys get screwed over?" I enjoy hearing logical arguments, not redundancies.

[lovgreno]

Nightwriter wrote...
Lol, how was that a cheap shot?

The fact that we're all selective is exactly what I'm trying to say. We all want our decision to be the right one. So what's the use of saying "I hope you guys get screwed over?" I enjoy hearing logical arguments, not redundancies.

No! Everyone else but me are selective. My opinions are truth, not opinions. I know the objective truth because my logic feels right for me. This makes me feel smarter than everyone else.
^
Just joking of course. I agree with you. We are all selective. There is no such thing as objectivity.
Back to topic: Blowing up the base makes a big fun explosion! That is one of many reasons that are logical enough for me.

Modifié par lovgreno, 14 juin 2010 - 08:03 .

[Dean_the_Young]

But the Renegade explosion is blue, which is prettier!



And blue is Paragon...



And Paragon is good...



So the Renegade decision is actually the better explosion!

[Jamer21]

I think blowing it up was the right thing to do and I wanted to ****** off the illusive man by blowing up the collector base and taking his two best operatives Miranda and Jacob. His plans always backfire on him somehow.

[Jamer21]

Plus everyone loves a big bang right?

[Veritasinpersonam]

The only character I could in good conscience use to blow up the Collector base was my Colonist Survivor Shepard who was still quite pissed from Akuze, Toombs, and Kohaku.

He's lost too much to give TIM the satisfaction. Of course just about any right minded Shepard would preserve the base.

Modifié par Veritasinpersonam, 14 juin 2010 - 08:59 .

[Sledge454]

Jamer21 wrote...

Plus everyone loves a big bang right?

Renegade - Fancy blue electrical field that kills all life on station.  TIM happy.  And...  that's it.
Paragon - Station turns into giant grenade with debris flying for hundreds of thousands of km creating a wake of utter devastation.  TIM attempts to use version of Bill Cosby argument ("I brought you into this world...").  Aw hells yeah.

Modifié par Sledge454, 14 juin 2010 - 09:02 .

[Arhka]

Thought it was too big of a security risk, plus the only people who could actually get there without the Normandy guiding them were most likely Cerberus. Plus, pissing off TIM is fun.

[Schneidend]

It's a giant blender that makes smoothies out of people, and was already used to eradicate the populations of several small cities. But, no, let's keep the haunted slaughterhouse, and feed babies into it while we're at it. Stopping the Collectors was the entire point of the mission. Their base could easily be misused, so you destroy it to prevent that misuse.

[Vaenier]

I say we should also destroy the Citadel and all mass relays because they are obviously meant as a tool for Reapers to control us. Lets forget all the good that can come from them just because they are Reaper tech. All Reaper tech is automatically made of the devil. The Relays were probably built in a smoothy machine too! Think about that next time you use a relay; you are using the souls of innocent people to simply save time...



[/Sarcasm]

[Barquiel]

Vaenier wrote...

The Relays were probably built in a smoothy machine too! Think about that next time you use a relay; you are using the souls of innocent people to simply save time...

[/Sarcasm]

not really...

Matriarch Aethyta implies that the asari would be capable of building their own mass relays. She didn't mention smoothy machines<_<

[Vaenier]

Barquiel wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

The Relays were probably built in a smoothy machine too! Think about that next time you use a relay; you are using the souls of innocent people to simply save time...

[/Sarcasm]

not really...

Matriarch Aethyta implies that the asari would be capable of building their own mass relays. She didn't mention smoothy machines<_<

They would build their own version of a relay. Doesnt mean the Reapers didnt make theirs in a smoothy machine. Reapers build ships in a smoothy machine, we build ours differently.

[Barquiel]

Well, I prefer the asari/our method...so there's no reason to keep the base

[Vaenier]

Barquiel wrote...

Well, I prefer the asari/our method...so there's no reason to keep the base

No reason to keep the Reaper relays either.

[Barquiel]

Well, I can't change what the reapers did/did not 50000 years ago.
But I can prevent further misuse of the smoothy machine^_^

[Nightwriter]

Pretty sure smoothie machines are only used to build things that are alive. Like Reapers.

Not things that aren't alive. Like relays.

[Dean_the_Young]

Why would anyone use the smoothie machine? It's beyond Cerberus's capabilities and scope to abduct colonies. It's quite arguably far beyond their motives, considering the repercussions it would certainly bring. It isn't even an effective use of resources, because you can just take the technology and remake it faster and more numerous and cheaper if you don't use the smoothie machine.





Show of hands. How many people actually think that the Illusive Man and his posse of two hundred odd people are going to kidnap millions, if not billions, of people to build a single reaper in the face of the Reaper hoarde that approaches?

[DuffyMJ]

Nightwriter wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

That's not my point at all, my point is that IN REAL LIFE (i.e. NOT "acting") people in positions of authority who partake in corrupt/sketchy opportunities to save time/effort will not achieve outcomes as effectively as those who do what is lawful and expected of them.  When I was an unarmed inspector for the department of health, we occasionally had to deal with jackasses who wouldn't let us in to inspect saying "what are you going to do? you don't carry." We would then have to contact law enforcement, wait around in some sketchy area in the middle of Februrary, etc... So to make life easier, one inspector at my agency started carrying his own gun on him so he could play cop on his inspections and get things done quicker. He ended up getting jumped from behind on an inspection and shot in the leg by his own gun. On top of that, since my agency was partly funded by Federal grants, he was charged for a Federal felony for possessing an unlicensed weapon on Federal property (his government vehicle...) Woo-hoo, go renegades! 

:innocent:

Actually this story completely distracted me from the debate topic. Jeez, did your friend end up all right?

He wasn't a friend, he was a rotten guy to be honest.  I really miss that job though... There were only like 20 of us in the state and once a month during the summer we'd set up week long operation in a specific region of the state and go around with the state police basically citing the living hell out of problem areas (usually bars in sketchy areas that also have other illegal activity going on, so law enforcement likes this because they bring along liquor authority, fire fighters, tax and finance, you name it... By the end of the morning a place would be so knee-deep in poo that it rarely stayed in business.  But anyway, these were good times because the whole week we'd usually all chip in and lodge at a nice hotel, go play golf, fish, etc. off work hours.  Good bunch of guys, hard working and really good at their jobs... This one guy though, yeah he wasn't really well-liked.  The problem with civil service sometimes is that the guy with the best exam score -- even if he's a total f-up -- has to be hired, especially if they're veterans like this dude was. Even more off-topic, I highly recommend regulatory work for anyone who's in college or whatever with no idea what to do in the future like I was in college... It's good work, pretty safe from bad economy, lots of travel and meeting people, sort of like being a police officer only way way less risk of getting shot/attacked/screamed at/spat on...

[Nightwriter]

They could never abduct the numbers needed to make new Reapers. Things they could do:

• Salvage the already built T-800.
• Start splicing Reaper tech into people and machines.
• Use indoctrination/mind control technology on others (Reapers, non-humans, whatever).
• Try to harness husk technology again.
• Try to use Collector drones.
• Try to use Collector cruisers.
• Try to use Collector gene manipulation technology.
• Try to use Collector plague research.

Stuff like that.

[DuffyMJ]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

I wish Bioware finally grew a quad and make choices matter in the game play. If you dont have the base, billions of innocents will die by the hands of the reapers, the military will be crippled, planets will fall, but atleast the survivors are friends now. If you save the base, humanity leads the charge against the reapers, saving countless lives. They hate you for being so powerful now, but atleast they are alive enough to be able to hate. No good deed goes unpunished.

You just wanted to say you’d like your judgment to be rewarded and our judgment to be punished?

We already knew you wanted that.

Don't go for cheap shots when you know you're being selective, Nightwriter. It goes both ways: when a clearly choreographed choice like the Collector Base appears, there should be a noticable difference. But if the windfall falls with a Paragon decision (save the Rachni), that too should matter.

Okay, that's a pretty reasonable expectation. I honestly just can't deal with the immediate windfall of the collector base decision (namely all your squad mates treating you like an idiot post-mission).

[Nightwriter]

DuffyMJ wrote...

He wasn't a friend, he was a rotten guy to be honest.  I really miss that job though... There were only like 20 of us in the state and once a month during the summer we'd set up week long operation in a specific region of the state and go around with the state police basically citing the living hell out of problem areas (usually bars in sketchy areas that also have other illegal activity going on, so law enforcement likes this because they bring along liquor authority, fire fighters, tax and finance, you name it... By the end of the morning a place would be so knee-deep in poo that it rarely stayed in business.  But anyway, these were good times because the whole week we'd usually all chip in and lodge at a nice hotel, go play golf, fish, etc. off work hours.  Good bunch of guys, hard working and really good at their jobs... This one guy though, yeah he wasn't really well-liked.  The problem with civil service sometimes is that the guy with the best exam score -- even if he's a total f-up -- has to be hired, especially if they're veterans like this dude was. Even more off-topic, I highly recommend regulatory work for anyone who's in college or whatever with no idea what to do in the future like I was in college... It's good work, pretty safe from bad economy, lots of travel and meeting people, sort of like being a police officer only way way less risk of getting shot/attacked/screamed at/spat on...

Well on the bright side his pride had to have been taken down a few notches by getting shot with his own gun.

[Dean_the_Young]

DuffyMJ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

I wish Bioware finally grew a quad and make choices matter in the game play. If you dont have the base, billions of innocents will die by the hands of the reapers, the military will be crippled, planets will fall, but atleast the survivors are friends now. If you save the base, humanity leads the charge against the reapers, saving countless lives. They hate you for being so powerful now, but atleast they are alive enough to be able to hate. No good deed goes unpunished.

You just wanted to say you’d like your judgment to be rewarded and our judgment to be punished?

We already knew you wanted that.

Don't go for cheap shots when you know you're being selective, Nightwriter. It goes both ways: when a clearly choreographed choice like the Collector Base appears, there should be a noticable difference. But if the windfall falls with a Paragon decision (save the Rachni), that too should matter.

Okay, that's a pretty reasonable expectation. I honestly just can't deal with the immediate windfall of the collector base decision (namely all your squad mates treating you like an idiot post-mission).

I think you're being too sensitive, and reading too much into their opinions.While they are uneasy, no one is outright 'that was WRONG you idiot!!!1!11"

Besides, who was it who said that a good man who acts only on the approval of others is not truly a good man?

Mind you, I would have liked there to be a wider array of views about the base and reactions afterwards, from both directions. (And perhaps some surprise explorations of various character morality in general.) So while, say, Legion is on the 'make your own path' fence, Mordin would be like 'logical choice.'

[mcsupersport]

Nightwriter wrote...

They could never abduct the numbers needed to make new Reapers. Things they could do:

• Salvage the already built T-800.
• Start splicing Reaper tech into people and machines.
• Use indoctrination/mind control technology on others (Reapers, non-humans, whatever).
• Try to harness husk technology again.
• Try to use Collector drones.
• Try to use Collector cruisers.
• Try to use Collector gene manipulation technology.
• Try to use Collector plague research.

Stuff like that.

[*]How did the Collectors manage to havest so many people?---Seeker Swarms.
[*]Who now has access to Seeker swarms??--TIM and Cerebrus.
[*]How many people would it take to round up a colony once they were frozen?--Not many, and I am sure the Blue Suns, Blood Pack and Eclipse would love to help for the right price.
[*]What is to stop TIM from deciding later to try it out to see if they could make a small, controllable reaper?--You blowing the heck out of the base.

[nubbers666]

i did it because i just hate Cerberus so much lol and i just love maken miranda break her oath to them she was so into cerberus at the start now she in love with me lmao



na i have play through of both just to see what happens with me3

probly gona be like flying around in a reaper base as a normady 3