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[Nightwriter]

smudboy wrote...

Quiet, you flying policecar thing!  You don't have the balls to fly that thing into a wall, so you blow up bases and stuff!

You are jealous of my flying police car. That's what this is. I've seen it before. It is the cross I bear. Having an insanely cool, hawt flying police car.

[Torhagen]

The Reapers "Cycle of Destruction Plan" is based on the fact that the Civilations develop with their technology making them predictable.So that they are easily able to defeat them once the decide to(as proven by many civilizations).

This is the Reason the infiltrated the Geth because they are not part of the Reaper design.

[Nightwriter]

Shandepared wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'd not be so sure of that. The game hints that Cerberus policies have
changed recently, pointing to a possible change in leadership. The
suspicion of recent indoctrination is not too far-fetched.

God, when anything happens in this game you people start throwing around "indoctrination".

Cerberus underwent a change in leadership... indoctrination!

The Council turned its back on me because it is more politically convenient... indoctrination!

The rachni are territorial beings who waged war on the galaxy for disturbing their territory... indoctrination! (so what if it's plausible!)

A bunch of horny drunks at a bachelor party ramble about asari... indoctrination!

That quarian girl I'm after friendzoned me... indoctrination!

Stop hitting up this theory to explain everything in the game. It isn't necessary to account for why the Council turned on you or why the Illusive Man broke away from the Alliance. The Citadel is not an indoctrination device!

(neither is the Collector base for that matter)

The sad thing is, it wouldn't be until you started acting like a nice, civil, pleasant person that I'd start to suspect you of indoctrination.

Har har. Giggle giggle.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I'd not be so sure of that. The game hints that Cerberus policies have
changed recently, pointing to a possible change in leadership. The
suspicion of recent indoctrination is not too far-fetched.

God, when anything happens in this game you people start throwing around "indoctrination".
Cerberus underwent a change in leadership... indoctrination!
The Council turned its back on me because it is more politically convenient... indoctrination!
The rachni are territorial beings who waged war on the galaxy for disturbing their territory... indoctrination! (so what if it's plausible!)
A bunch of horny drunks at a bachelor party ramble about asari... indoctrination!
That quarian girl I'm after friendzoned me... indoctrination!
Stop hitting up this theory to explain everything in the game. It isn't necessary to account for why the Council turned on you or why the Illusive Man broke away from the Alliance. The Citadel is not an indoctrination device!
(neither is the Collector base for that matter)

haha yeah that is funny

[lovgreno]

Shandepared wrote...The Citadel is not an indoctrination device!

(neither is the Collector base for that matter)

So you found the base blueprint that proves this then? Well Shepard definitely don't have them. All s/he knows is that reqapers always protects themselves with indoctrination that you can't see before it's already too late. With the exception of the Citadell and mass relays of course. Husks and indoctrinated are not needed to spread life according to the reaper plans. To risk the plan by revealing their greatest weapon way before it's needed is not necesary. Things that could be usefull for the enemy, like dead reapers and artefacts lost by the reapers on the other hand are always well protected. No reason why they wouldn't use the same tactic with their very valuable base for making baby reapers.

[smudboy]

Shandepared wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

(of-course what is certain is that Bioware will invent some special artifact in ME3 to cover for the paragons blowing up the base)

You pretty much got it all, my intelligent man.  Although the last line is the sad part.  Saving the base might just net you...10,000+ credits...and an email...

[Smajdak]

It seems that you are incapable of understanding me. I am just not yet sure whether the fault is on my side or on your side. Ah well.

smudboy wrote...
Because figuring out how to build something, could not possibly make us understand how how to destroy that something, all because in your tiny little mind, Reaper = have no weakness at all.

Even though we defeated Sovereign.

Even though we foiled Harbinger's plan.

I mean, really. Where are you getting this crap?

Well, we do not yet know exactly how we defeated Sovereign. If it had something to do with destroying his avatar by Shepard, then we can safely assume that it was a unique situation which is unlikely to repeat. If it was unrelated, then Sovereign was destroyed by constant bombardment of entire Alliance fleet. Well, I wouldn't call that a weakness.
Foiling Harbinger's plan - again, nothing to do with finding their weaknesses. We just destroyed his agents, but there were no Reapers involved. Aside from that one who was already dead. So, no Reaper weakness.
And again - what weakness could we find that 38 millions years old race of machines have not yet found. And which was not found by at least 700 species they already harvested? In what, 5 years? Max. I do not think that there will be bigger gap between ME2 and ME3.

As usual, once again, par for the course, you are wrong:
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/EDI

"EDI also gains access to "Anti-Reaper Algorithms" later in the game,
and states that she devotes significant processing power to analyzing
them. When pressed on this subject by Shepard as to how she could hope
to combat beings millions of years more advanced, she reveals that she
was in part designed by technology gained from Sovereign's remains and thus, at least partially, based on Reaper technology herself."

Well, first of all, wiki is not the ultimate source of information. Second, all EDI says is that she has cyberwarfare programs designed by Reapers. Not that she is based on Reaper technology. And as I said, I have no problems with that.

So you're speculating on strategy that could destroy the Reapers, that doesn't depend on Reaper schematics. (Oh, that'll work real well.)

You're also speculating that focusing on integrating Reaper tech into your own tech would/wouldn't be possible if you kept the base. (What?)

But this is only possible if Quarians knew about the base. (Why?)

But, if Cerberus keeps the base totally for themselves, it would be useless, because Cerberus is just one organization, and they can not make an army capable of standing against the Reapers. (The assumption that again, base = direct military applications, in your fantasy world of Reaper ships, or something.)

Additionally, all galactic civilizations together couldn't do it anyway, but they would have a better chance.

There are no words.

It looks like you did not understand what I said. Let me make it clear. 3 scenarios:
1) You destroy the base - Progress goes just as it would if no base was ever found. Quarians (or someone else) find a way to blow up a star and realize that it could be used against the Reapers. The lure the Reapers into one system, then blow up the star and then everything is fine, Reaper threat is out.
2) You keep the base and rest of the galaxy knows about it - Every single species will focus only on integrating Reaper tech into their own, because they would think it is much more promising than any research their were doing before that. Lets say that everything goes as well as possible. We have ships upgraded with Reaper tech, far more advanced than what we had before and we are going against huge fleet of huge ships (lets say that they are as advanced as ours, even though it is improbable). Every single of these ships is more inteligent and more experienced than we can imagine, so we can assume that we are not better than they are in tactics or anything like that. So, we have weaker army, worse tactics, less experience... What are the chances of winning?
3) Keep the base only for Cerberus - Well, things would go like in case number 1. But it might be possible that TIM could get ideas like Saren when he would find out that Reapers are, more or less, undefeatable. You know, more, stronger, smarter, no weaknesses.

And if they think the same way I do, that is all that matters.

I mean c'mon, this cannot be part of your argument. I mean it's the only thing that makes sense, but simply because the argument could be about anything. But we're not talking about writers think, we're talking about your...crazy...insane...reasoning. Stuff. That I still don't get. Nor think I will. But hey it's fun to read.

I was just saying that considering what was said in the game (only one person agreeing with keeping the station after you get out, who was, by the way, the person who suggested it in the first place), it is more probable that destroying the station is a good thing. But OK, let's not argue about that, it is impossible to know what writers think.

Modifié par Smajdak, 07 juillet 2010 - 12:47 .

[Nightwriter]

Shandepared wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

The Reapers "Cycle of Destruction Plan" is based on the fact that the Civilations develop with their technology making them predictable.So that they are easily able to defeat them once the decide to(as proven by many civilizations).
This is the Reason the infiltrated the Geth because they are not part of the Reaper design.

No, that is wrong. The Reaper's plan was based on the mass reelays and the Citadel. Sovereign was not speaking in metaphors when he said "Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays, our technology. By using it your civilization develops along the paths we desire."

Actually, I thought it was pretty ambiguous. It sounded kind of broad to me, it could mean literal paths or just pathways in general, both literal and figurative. Both apply.

Shandepared wrote...

To further prove my point, the only reason the Reapers haven't already invaded the galaxy is precisely because the protheans did what you are arguing we shouldn't do now. The protheans studied Reaper technology until they understood it, until they could replicate it themselves. This allowed them to build the Conduit and it allowed them to modify the behavior of the keepers and to influence the Citadel. Without this the Reapers would have invaded long before the Normandy ever touched down on Eden Prime.

This is true. However:

1. The Protheans, wise and peaceful scientists, were the ones who studied that technolgoy. The Illusive Man is much more irresponsible and his motives much more dangerous.

2. The technology the Protheans were studying and reverse-engineering was the most docile and nonthreatening of all Reaper technology - the relays. This technology was not meant to be harmful.

The Collector Base is full of NOTHING but dangerous technology created purely for the purposes of war. War against organic beings. It is made to be harmful to organic beings and to be volatile to organic beings. Replicating this technology is infinitely more dangerous, because the technology itself is infinitely more dangerous. They simply cannot be equated to one another. This is a Reaper making factory.

Shandepared wrote...

Further still, the study of Sovereign gave us E.D.I. and the thannix cannon, both of which proved incredibly useful during Shepard's mission to stop the Collectors.

You cannot argue that keeping Reaper technology is not dangerous just because there have been some examples to the contrary in the past. Just because Reaper tech has been safely implemented before does not mean it will be safely implemented here.

EDI and the thannix cannon were based off Reaper technology. TIM wants to use the base itself.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 07 juillet 2010 - 12:57 .

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

Shandepared wrote...
No, that is wrong.

Of course it is, cause you disagree with it.

Shandepared wrote...
The Reaper's plan was based on the mass reelays and the Citadel. Sovereign was not speaking in metaphors when he said "Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays, our technology. By using it your civilization develops along the paths we desire."

Those pathways lead civilizations the Citadel which is likely designed and placed to be an enticing center of government and commerce. Once galactic civilization has centered itself on the Citadel all the Reapers need to do is swoop in, cutting off the head and leaving the rest of the galaxy cut off. The mass relays literally lead civilizations down a path to their doom.

Right. If you say this is how we should interpret Sovereign's words, then there is no other answer. You might even be a Reaper, telling us blundering organics how to interpret Sovereign's words, even though the other interpretation makes total sense too.

Shandepared wrote...
Further still, the study of Sovereign gave us E.D.I. and the thannix cannon, both of which proved incredibly useful during Shepard's mission to stop the Collectors.

The Collectors don't have the overwhelming technological advantage. The Reapers do. Of course, you'll choose to ignore this part.

Giving Hitler a modern US military base (2010) would probably ensure German victory in World War II - against his contemporaries. It would not ensure victory against the 2010 US military.

Modifié par V0luS_R0cKs7aR, 07 juillet 2010 - 01:05 .

[Smajdak]

About Mass Relays - Legion says clearly that Soverign was speaking about technology. Quote: "Technology is not a straight line. There are many paths to the same end.

Accepting another's path blinds you to alternatives. Nazara -- Sovereign -- said this itself:

'Your civilization is based upon the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire.' "

Of course, you can choose not to believe Legion. But I think that Bioware guys would not purposely try to confuse us.

[smudboy]

Smajdak wrote...
It seems that you are incapable of understanding me. I am just not yet sure whether the fault is on my side or on your side. Ah well.

Yours.

Well, first of all, wiki is not the ultimate source of information. Second, all EDI says is that she has cyberwarfare programs designed by Reapers. Not that she is based on Reaper technology. And as I said, I have no problems with that.

Well, first of all, wiki is from dozens of people who've played the game, and are more fanatical than Ecael, or some version of Ecael.  Or is Ecael.  One of those.  I'll believe a wiki over you anyday.

Second, EDI says it herself in the game.  Which I'm guessing is where the wiki got it.



EDI: "I have also gained access to to anti-Reaper cyberwarfare algorithms recovered by Cerberus."
EDI: "It appears that my design includes hardware recovered from the wreckage of Sovereign."

It looks like you did not understand what I said. Let me make it clear. 3 scenarios:
1) You destroy the base - Progress goes just as it would if no base was ever found. Quarians (or someone else) find a way to blow up a star and realize that it could be used against the Reapers. The lure the Reapers into one system, then blow up the star and then everything is fine, Reaper threat is out.

WTF do the Quarians have anything to do with destroying/not destroying the base?  You may as well be talking about apple pie.

Essentially it boils down to "it doesn't matter."  Which I agree with on totally different reasons, which have nothing to do with this hilarious imagination of yours.

2) You keep the base and rest of the galaxy knows about it - Every single species will focus only on integrating Reaper tech into their own, because they would think it is much more promising than any research their were doing before that. Lets say that everything goes as well as possible. We have ships upgraded with Reaper tech, far more advanced than what we had before and we are going against huge fleet of huge ships (lets say that they are as advanced as ours, even though it is improbable). Every single of these ships is more inteligent and more experienced than we can imagine, so we can assume that we are not better than they are in tactics or anything like that. So, we have weaker army, worse tactics, less experience... What are the chances of winning?

...a hell of a lot greater had we blown up the base.

"Everything is better, and we have a better chance of survival, but we won't" <-- seriously, that is what you're saying.

Yet you believe your non-Reaper tech, which will NEVER get anywhere near the level of Reaper tech, will be the only means to victory.  Or something else you can't describe or have knowledge of.

3) Keep the base only for Cerberus - Well, things would go like in case number 1. But it might be possible that TIM could get ideas like Saren when he would find out that Reapers are, more or less, undefeatable. You know, more, stronger, smarter, no weaknesses.

No, they wouldn't go like case number 1.  Watch your words.  Difference between "will" and "could."  Nothing is certain, especially in your brain.

Yes, it might be possible that TIM could get ideas like Saren when he would find out that Reapers are undefeatable...
...unless he completely forgot about the Battle of the Citadel, why he resurrected Shepard, why he's fighting Reapers, why he's fighting Collectors, and that stars are big balls of hot gases, and how to use the bathroom.  Do you see what I'm saying?

Because Reapers clearly have no weaknesses.

Let me make it clear: You are making sh*t up.  And it's not just bad sh*t.  It's f*cked up ****.  It doesn't even make sense, or support your original argument.  Your entire argument is "we'll make better technology, some other way, because if we use/find some other technology in the base, it won't be as effective.  Also, Quarians, and Reapers are undefeatable, but we'll defeat them."  Even though you yourself have stated that Reaper tech is as good as it gets.

I mean c'mon man.

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

RE the Thanix Cannon

Here's the codex entry for it: "Following the Battle of the Citadel, human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.

Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys targets by impact force and irresistible heat.

Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix, their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but mountable on a fighter or frigate."

Some people seemed to have forgot that ships in the ME universe are limited in how big their element zero mass effect core can be - generally, the core has to be proportional to the size of the ship, but as the core size increases, cost goes up exponentially. This is a factor limiting the specs of larger ships such as cruisers and dreadnoughts.

Aside from the huge technological advantage (of which people tend to ignore), Nazara was noteworthy because it had a much larger EZ core than other ships - allowing it to land on planets such as Eden Prime whereas even Alliance cruisers cannot. That is, its mass effect core was large enough to allow Sovereign (comparable in size to a dreadnought) to do something that only frigates can do (land on a planet).

A Thanix-weapon, according to the codex entry, gets more powerful as the size of EZ core of the warship increases. Therefore, in an engagement between Alliance dreadnoughts and a Reaper, who do you think would win? The Alliance ships with their tiny mass effect cores? Or a freaking Reaper that can land on a planet?

Well then, why not just build ships with much bigger EZ mass effect cores? There are at least 300 Reapers making their way from dark space at the end of ME2. Cerberus already had to be super secretive in building the Normandy SR-2. How would they build enough dreadnoughts with mass effect cores comparable in output to the Reapers by the time the Reapers arrive? What if the Asari don't want to give us their Silaris armor? How are they going to secure that much element zero?

Which again supports the notion that anything coming out of the Collector base would be much less useful against the Reapers than people think. The Thanix cannon is not the end-all and be-all of Reaper weaponry, and in the end, the Reapers WILL still have a bigger stick than anything we can come up with. 

Modifié par V0luS_R0cKs7aR, 07 juillet 2010 - 01:22 .

[smudboy]

Smajdak wrote...

About Mass Relays - Legion says clearly that Soverign was speaking about technology. Quote: "Technology is not a straight line. There are many paths to the same end.
Accepting another's path blinds you to alternatives. Nazara -- Sovereign -- said this itself:
'Your civilization is based upon the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire.' "
Of course, you can choose not to believe Legion. But I think that Bioware guys would not purposely try to confuse us.

Were they expecting our progenitors to figure out their Mass Relay tech and foil their Citadel harvesting plans?
Were they expecting us to destroy their vanguard and steal/learn/develop its tech?
Were they expecting us to repurpose the tech from a dead Reaper?
Were they expecting us to destroy their um, organic slave species and steal their tech that builds Reapers?

In Legion's own words, if the end is the same, why not take a shortcut?  Clock's ticking.  We seemed to have no problems doing that with Thanix, EDI, thermal clips...I'm not seeing a problem with those.  If the tool does the job, use it.  Cause all organic life in the universe hangs in the balance.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Shandepared wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'd not be so sure of that. The game hints that Cerberus policies have
changed recently, pointing to a possible change in leadership. The
suspicion of recent indoctrination is not too far-fetched.

God, when anything happens in this game you people start throwing around "indoctrination".

Cerberus underwent a change in leadership... indoctrination!

The Council turned its back on me because it is more politically convenient... indoctrination!

The rachni are territorial beings who waged war on the galaxy for disturbing their territory... indoctrination! (so what if it's plausible!)

A bunch of horny drunks at a bachelor party ramble about asari... indoctrination!

That quarian girl I'm after friendzoned me... indoctrination!

Stop hitting up this theory to explain everything in the game. It isn't necessary to account for why the Council turned on you or why the Illusive Man broke away from the Alliance. The Citadel is not an indoctrination device!

(neither is the Collector base for that matter)

But, you know, there's a REAPER in there

[smudboy]

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...
 

Wow, you just described how Thanix cannons work.  Great.

Which is all under the assumption we'll find a directly applicable military device, like a weapon, like a Thanix cannon.

As opposed to, I don't know, specs and how Reapers are built, or memo's on the office party they had a billion years ago, or entire databses on what the Reaper's plans are, or history, etc.

Seriously, the military weapon/defense is one possible bit of data.  And guess what?  It might not be like a Thanix cannon at all.  The truth is you don't know.  If that's your argument, you've got no business picking up and using the Collector Beam weapon because it'll be useless anyway...

(Oh except it wasn't.)

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

smudboy wrote...
Wow, you just described how Thanix cannons work.  Great.

Wow, you're so cool, with this little renegade role-playing thing you have going.

smudboy wrote...
Which is all under the assumption we'll find a directly applicable military device, like a weapon, like a Thanix cannon.

Um, YOU people (maybe not you, but people defending the decision to keep the base) keep bringing up the Thanix cannon as an "example" or applicable Reaper technology. NOT ME.

The "RE" in my message means "regarding." When you see "RE" in the header of a message, it usually means "regarding." Helpful hint.

[smudboy]

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...

smudboy wrote...
Wow, you just described how Thanix cannons work.  Great.

Wow, you're so cool, with this little renegade role-playing thing you have going.

smudboy wrote...
Which is all under the assumption we'll find a directly applicable military device, like a weapon, like a Thanix cannon.

Um, YOU people (maybe not you, but people defending the decision to keep the base) keep bringing up the Thanix cannon as an "example" or applicable Reaper technology. NOT ME.

The "RE" in my message means "regarding." When you see "RE" in the header of a message, it usually means "regarding." Helpful hint.

Thanks.  So long as you understand that whatever you tried to say about Thanix cannons, and the unknown that his the base, has really no correlation, we can move on.  (Hell, we can argue we can learn how to make a ME core like a Reapers from the base, and make those Thanix cannons you so think are inferior to Reaper weapons, but that's speculation.)

Wait, what's your point with RE?  Regarding Thanix.  Yes.  I got that.  Is that it, really?  What?

Modifié par smudboy, 07 juillet 2010 - 01:37 .

[Smajdak]

I feel like I am bashing my head against a wall. Sigh. Let's try again: As far as we know, there is ABSOLUTELY no way we can beat Reapers in direct battle. Just no way. Only chance is to either develop some super weapon or to escape.

Using Reaper tech WON'T work - simply because Reapers know their own tech perfectly. So there is no chance we can succeed just by using their own technology. We can not have stronger army then they do, that is just impossible. Even with Rachni, Geth, Quarians and whoever you name.

We need to have something else to counter their attack. Something you WON'T discover if you study Reaper technology. Something of our own.

I mentioned quarians because they already started a research about stars aging faster than they should, which could lead to a star destroying weapon. Or maybe discover who made those stars age faster in the first place. Or maybe it will be something else, I do not know. How am I supposed to know? Game would be pretty boring if I could predict twists in the game.

I said that Reaper technology is as good as it gets, not that it is the best tech available. It is the end of the Reaper path. However there might be some other human path we will never discover if we go along the Reaper path.

And just so you know, I live in the Czech Republic. English is a foreign language to me. So I hope you'll understand if I use would instead of could.

And by the way - You just keep saying that by simply using Reaper tech against them, we can defeat them, even though that is (in my opinion) even more improbable than discovering some tech to defeat them ourselves. Victory in direct battle against the Reapers is NOT possible.

[Zulu_DFA]

I think with the people who destroy the Base it all boils down to one simple notion: "The Good will Always Prevail, No Matter What".

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

Shandepared wrote...
Ahh! Here it is! I knew
you'd present an actual argument at some point in your post. However I'm
afraid I must disagree with you (surprise surprise).

Sorry, I've been signing this song all the way back in the lower page 40s of this thread. Probably just got buried.

Shandepared wrote...
The
Collectors do have a significant technological advantage. In fact
that is how they conduct business. In return for specimens the
Collectors trade bits and pieces of their advanced technology. Races are
extremely eager to gain this technology precisely because having it
gives them a huge edge over their competitors. All of this is stated
quite plainly in Ascension.

Significant, but not THOUSANDS of years significant. Their Collector ship was felled by the Normandy in two Thanix cannon blasts (the Thanix cannon only gives the Normandy the firepower of a contemporary cruiser). Ergo, if the Collector cruiser went up against an Alliance/Turian/Asari cruiser, it would be more or less an even fight. 

The same CANNOT be said of the Reapers, which can take on entire naval fleets. How many Alliance/Citadel dreadnoughts and cruisers did Sovereign rape/would've raped again? They are clearly more advanced than the Collectors, by far.

Shandepared wrote...

I wish you wouldn't resort to
**** comparisons so quickly, but because you did I'll address it. I
disagree with you that giving the ****s a modern American base wouldn't
make them a force to be reckoned with. Give them a modern airforce base
and give them a decade to study it and you might be surprised at
how fast they (or any other developed nation) can adapt that technology.
Even if you gave them just half that time, or less, they could still
probably make use of it.

Yes, they would make use of it. Hitler would be able to beat Churchill and Stalin with modern US military technology. He would not, however, be able to beat the modern US military.

Shandepared wrote...Why do you suspect Russia and the
United States are always in each other's hair
over one another giving technology or arms to opposing nations?

Um, its just politics. Those nations that receive this technology aren't even trying to replicate the American/Russian technology.

It's the message that is sent that matters. For example, if Russia gave Iraq some advanced surface to air missile batteries, it's not gonna change the outcome of the war - the US would still have steam-rolled Saddam. But there would be a political **** storm (as Udina would say) over it anyway.

Shandepared wrote...
Even if we only have a couple of years to study it the
base could give us enough insight to make a difference. We'll make it
that much harder for the Reapers. It could make the difference in just
one battle, but that one battle could decide the war.

A couple of years to research, develop and put together a fleet of naval cruisers and dreadnoughts that can rival the Reaper fleet? I don't think so.

Modifié par V0luS_R0cKs7aR, 07 juillet 2010 - 01:43 .

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

smudboy wrote...

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...

smudboy wrote...
Wow, you just described how Thanix cannons work.  Great.

Wow, you're so cool, with this little renegade role-playing thing you have going.

smudboy wrote...
Which is all under the assumption we'll find a directly applicable military device, like a weapon, like a Thanix cannon.

Um, YOU people (maybe not you, but people defending the decision to keep the base) keep bringing up the Thanix cannon as an "example" or applicable Reaper technology. NOT ME.

The "RE" in my message means "regarding." When you see "RE" in the header of a message, it usually means "regarding." Helpful hint.

Thanks.  So long as you understand that whatever you tried to say about Thanix cannons, and the unknown that his the base, has really no correlation, we can move on.  (Hell, we can argue we can learn how to make a ME core like a Reapers from the base, and make those Thanix cannons you so think are inferior to Reaper weapons, but that's speculation.)

Wait, what's your point with RE?  Regarding Thanix.  Yes.  I got that.  Is that it, really?  What?

This has been so productive. I'm glad we did this.

[Il Divo]

Shandepared wrote...

The former is debatable and the last is wrong. The Illusive Man's intentions are to save humanity from the Reapers. What more could you ask for? After that he will want the technology to allow humanity to rise as the dominant power in the galaxy, but that is neither dangerous nor undesirable. Regardless if you fail to stop the Reapers the Illusive Man's post-Reaper goals won't matter, now will they?

Illusive Man's intentions clearly extend beyond saving humanity from the Reapers. That is why in the final cut-scene Shepard questions Illusive Man's motives whether they are intended for human dominance or strictly Cerberus. The shift from savior of humanity to power-hungry tyrant can be a quick one. The problem is also that we are assuming that Illusive Man is smart enough to ensure that these all remain post-Reaper goals. The worst thing that could happen is in-fighting during the Reaper War because Illusive Man decides to colonize Asari worlds.

I also don't see how human dominance could be considered desirable, unless you are speaking from a human POV?