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[The BS Police]

smudboy wrote...

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...
At the cost of TWO fleets - the Alliance 5th fleet and the Citadel defense fleet. And the Alliance 5th had the jump on Sovereign, fighting it at close quarters (which is a great equalizer in all kinds of military combat) within the arms of the Citadel.

And this cost would be much lower if we have Reaper tech.

Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire... - Sovereign

Yeah, it's pretty obvious why destroying the Base is a good idea.

[MadInfiltrator]

Look, if someone says, you wanna blow some huge **** up, and we'll say you did the right thing, then I am gonna **** **** up.

[Slayer299]

Shandepared wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

No, I don't.

Yes, you do. You said that you were certain TIM would not share the technology and that he'd use it to empower humanity. He never said he would do otherwise so you must then think he is trustworthy when it comes to the Collector base. You also said a live grenade is not trustworthy. Well call me a coward but I'm not ballsy enough to hold a live grenade in the hopes that it won't go off as it is designed too.

I understand the point you were trying to make but you didn't go about it in a very elegant way.

No, I didn't say it in a very elegant way, but then I wasn't trying to, I was going for blunt. But I am glad you understood my point.

But just for clairity on my part, I do not trust TIM when it comes to the uses of the Collector base or virtually on anything else when I know his stance on humanity's place and what he will do to insure it. To me however, trusting TIM to be altruistic and share whatever tech he finds on the CB with everyone else in the fight against the Reapers is akin to walking around with a live hand grenade.

Modifié par Slayer299, 12 juillet 2010 - 04:00 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

i think it's reverse psychology (making as if it's the ultimate paragon to destroy the base)... i think it's better to keep it... and have a large heavily armed envoy neutralize all collectors, and then transport the immobilized/preserved base to another top secret location for research/rescue... that's like killing a ant farm or a borg cube that has alot of un-borgified people inside of it... or like destroying the entire fields of the matrix (not such a humane notion or idea :: completely renegade :: keeping it should be some type of blue points too)

I wouldn't turn the base over to cerberus though... yet give it to the alliance military, and or the council...

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 12 juillet 2010 - 04:10 .

[Slayer299]

Now that's an option I would have liked, well, at least the part about the Council

I'm certain Telarn would say "Ahh the Collector Base, we have dismissed that claim" 

And on that note, good night.

Modifié par Slayer299, 12 juillet 2010 - 04:23 .

[pprrff]

Slayer299 wrote...

Now that's an option I would have liked, well, at least the part about the Council

I'm certain Telarn would say "Ahh the Collector Base, we have dismissed that claim" 

And on that note, good night.

You mean the same guy who went from 'you human should know your place' to 'this evidence is irrefutable' just because some random quarian showed up with a piece audio recording. If anything, our turian favorite turian is too trusting.

[Sniper11709]

The BS Police wrote...

smudboy wrote...

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...
At the cost of TWO fleets - the Alliance 5th fleet and the Citadel defense fleet. And the Alliance 5th had the jump on Sovereign, fighting it at close quarters (which is a great equalizer in all kinds of military combat) within the arms of the Citadel.

And this cost would be much lower if we have Reaper tech.

Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire... - Sovereign

Yeah, it's pretty obvious why destroying the Base is a good idea.

See my post on last page for response to this quote (I'm calling Soverigns and Legions the same seeing as they have the same message pretty much).

[Hepzi3]

I dont see how you could KEEP the base.



The idea of TIM with Reaper tech gives me nightmares.



TIM wants the galaxy under his heel. Cant let that happen. Dont trust Ceberus and probably never will due to the Horizon and "Force Shep to investigate an active Collector vessel" thing.

[Voutsis1982]

KEEP THE BASE.



That way, ME3 can start with a Cerberus science team on the Collector base. Then they'll hear ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL as Harbinger taps into the base computer system, like he communicated with the Collector General. He decides he can't recover the base now.



So Harbinger switches off the station's mass effect fields. The entire base falls into a black hole. The end.



Awesome.

[lovgreno]

Yes Voutsis, that is a pleasing thing to think about but what if Harbringer CAN recover the base? I would rather not risk that.

[smudboy]

The BS Police wrote...

smudboy wrote...

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...
At the cost of TWO fleets - the Alliance 5th fleet and the Citadel defense fleet. And the Alliance 5th had the jump on Sovereign, fighting it at close quarters (which is a great equalizer in all kinds of military combat) within the arms of the Citadel.

And this cost would be much lower if we have Reaper tech.

Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire... - Sovereign

Yeah, it's pretty obvious why destroying the Base is a good idea.

And you're assuming that they wanted Shepard to kill Sovereign, but not reduce it to molecules, so we could acquire its tech, as well as attack their defenseless Collector Base that was building a Reaper, and acquire its' tech.  That's like showing your enemy your weaknesses and asking them to exploit them, because you want them to.

[Combine08]

lovgreno wrote...

Yes Voutsis, that is a pleasing thing to think about but what if Harbringer CAN recover the base? I would rather not risk that.

The base is no use to Harbinger anymore, think about it. Their plan has failed and Harbinger is on the way to the milky way along with all Reapers. There will be already advantages like new information and tech gained by using the base once they arrive. And if they arrive the base is pretty much useless to them anyway.

[Miashi]

Combine08 wrote...

Miashi, I doubt the Collector Base has the same indoctrination methods like a Reaper. The whole base layout and design suggest they don't have that kind of technology. They might have dragon teeth or similar things lying around in order to make Husks but I think they won't have the same signal.

With that in mind I don't see how Cerberus could...fail. Anyway, I still think it's not a good idea to blow up the base. Sure, due to gameplay reasons you can still win against the Reapers (probably) but just think about that for a moment. Would you risk total extinction of all races just because you don't trust Cerberus? Can you afford that? The base can and will give you...and not just you...a vital advantage in the fight.

They definitely say that the collector's base wasn't designed expecting anyone to reach it, however the human reaper embryo is still in there, and that's dangerous enough to suspect it could potentially endoctrinate anyone too close of it.

[Asheer_Khan]

Shandepared wrote...

You have to tackle indoctrination sooner or later. Once the Reaper fleet arrives you won't be able to hide from it any longer. However if you kept the base you at least might have a better understanding of what you are up against and how to counter it.

Saren created big lab on Virmire whit intention of study indoctrination and how to counter her working whit true Reaper but like Rana says, they discovered NOTHING what could sheed even dim light how indoctrination work and furthermore how to conter her effects.

Then how you expect (unless devs will drop ID 4 syndrome to ME3) Cerberus (or any science team) could discover in that base what Saren wasn't able to?

In matter of fact... now knowing that ME 3 will suffer "stand alone complex" i am more than ever afraid that ME 3 will folow ID 4 syndrome since everyone - ME 1 veterans, ME 2 players and ME 3 newbies MUST have equal chance to defeat Reapers so fact that you spare or not C-base will not have any global impact on ME 3 [airquote] story line [/airquote]...

I think devs will throw in critical point of the game (or not if they do plan expand whole story at more than three games) some sort of hocus pocus super discovery (read super duper anti Reaper virus) or some kind of galactic disaster (aka supernova) occured near Reaper fleet  helping us to defeat them once for all.

[Slayer299]

pprrff wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Now that's an option I would have liked, well, at least the part about the Council

I'm certain Telarn would say "Ahh the Collector Base, we have dismissed that claim" 

And on that note, good night.

You mean the same guy who went from 'you human should know your place' to 'this evidence is irrefutable' just because some random quarian showed up with a piece audio recording. If anything, our turian favorite turian is too trusting.

Too trusting? I don't think I'd say that. If anything he seems to be anything but, at least based on how he's been in the past. But to the recording, all of the Council trusted the recording of Saren and Benezia, although I suspect that they may have had it checked.

[Sniper11709]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

You have to tackle indoctrination sooner or later. Once the Reaper fleet arrives you won't be able to hide from it any longer. However if you kept the base you at least might have a better understanding of what you are up against and how to counter it.

Saren created big lab on Virmire whit intention of study indoctrination and how to counter her working whit true Reaper but like Rana says, they discovered NOTHING what could sheed even dim light how indoctrination work and furthermore how to conter her effects.

Then how you expect (unless devs will drop ID 4 syndrome to ME3) Cerberus (or any science team) could discover in that base what Saren wasn't able to?

In matter of fact... now knowing that ME 3 will suffer "stand alone complex" i am more than ever afraid that ME 3 will folow ID 4 syndrome since everyone - ME 1 veterans, ME 2 players and ME 3 newbies MUST have equal chance to defeat Reapers so fact that you spare or not C-base will not have any global impact on ME 3 [airquote] story line [/airquote]...

I think devs will throw in critical point of the game (or not if they do plan expand whole story at more than three games) some sort of hocus pocus super discovery (read super duper anti Reaper virus) or some kind of galactic disaster (aka supernova) occured near Reaper fleet  helping us to defeat them once for all.

Saren established that lab when he was already Indoctrinated and he constantly had a Reaper around it reinforcing the indoctrination, even on the scientists meant to be studying it so i would say they really were not that motivated to find out. With the collector base you could study indoctrination but at the same time control the exposure.

Modifié par Sniper11709, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:37 .

[tvih]

I trust TIM about as far as I can throw him (without biotics, anyway), no way I would let him have it. Besides the SR-2 was already demonstrated to be capable of destroying Collector vessels, so any possible gains would not be worth the risk most likely. Especially not with TIM in charge.

[smudboy]

tvih wrote...

I trust TIM about as far as I can throw him (without biotics, anyway), no way I would let him have it. Besides the SR-2 was already demonstrated to be capable of destroying Collector vessels, so any possible gains would not be worth the risk most likely. Especially not with TIM in charge.

I'm not sure how the SR2, being capable of destroying Collector vessels, now that (supposedly) all Collectors are gone, has anything to do with keeping a base that builds Reapers.

[Mecha Tengu]

Shandepared wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

because you dont give weapons to
terrorists

just like American funding Al Qaeda to fight the
Soviets, it will come back to bite them in the ass

The United States has never funded Al Qaeda.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

read a fcking book please.

Modifié par Mecha Tengu, 12 juillet 2010 - 08:58 .

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

because you dont give weapons to
terrorists

just like American funding Al Qaeda to fight the
Soviets, it will come back to bite them in the ass

The United States has never funded Al Qaeda.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

read a fcking book please.

You don't have to be a jerk about it. Even though you are right.

IIRC, branches of the United States Intelligence services did fund the Arghanistan resistance effort when the Soviets occupied the country in the 80s. Concurrently, Osama - who is Saudi, sympathethic to the afghanis and not openly anti-American at the time, was also supporting the effort, so a degree of collaboration was necessary to ensure the delivery of weapons like FIM-92 Stinger missiles to Afghani rebels. 

Those same Stinger missiles were used by the Taliban on American forces 20 years later. But obviously, they were much less of a threat militarily, as they were obsolete and poorly maintained.

[Sainthood82]

Why would you want to keep it?

The only real thing you could learn from it the Reapers would have already....

1) Known what could be learned from it
2) Prepared to counter any type of weapons created from the tech samples
3) Considered every possible outcome from leaving the base able to be captured
4) Left just enough tech in the base so that any race trying to learn from it does so according to the Reapers desires
5) created better tech that is millions of years ahead of everyone else

plus everyone likes you more when you blow it up =D


The only logical outcome to ME3 would be a great device left behind from a civilization or several races millions of years before the Protheans that all left little pieces and clues in the hopes that one race *Cough humanity* would peice together the puzzle and use to break the Reaper cycle in one swift attack.

[Mecha Tengu]

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...

You don't have to be a jerk about it. Even though you are right.

unfortunately I do. Ignorant idiots must be yelled at in order for them to learn.

[smudboy]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...

You don't have to be a jerk about it. Even though you are right.

unfortunately I do. Ignorant idiots must be yelled at in order for them to learn.

No, you must coax them with delicious sentences of reason, logic, and evidence, with English skills as sweet as cake.

If they still don't believe you or end up making ridiculous claims, and you argue those into reductive logical assessments where the only responses involve name calling and ad-hom attacks, then be my guest.  Yell away, swear, mamma jokes, etc.  It's all they'd understand at that point anyway.