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[thegreateski]

atheelogos wrote...
But lets not forget the pics that joker somehow got. The council can't ignore that. Unless the writers make them unbelievably studpid again....

Ah yes . . . "PICTURES". The supposed method by which a person can capture a moment in an image. We have dismissed these claims.

And what's this gibberish you have written on this tablet Shepard? Reapers again? Collectors? A secret base in the galactic core? The Omega-4 relay?This looks like a crappy science fiction story! Ha!
*Tosses the Reaper data into the garbage*

Modifié par thegreateski, 29 juillet 2010 - 03:45 .

[Nightwriter]

Shandepared wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Not to mention proof to the council that the Reapers are real and headed for us.

Honestly I doubt the base would convince them but it's worth a shot.

I agree. It probably wouldn't convince them. You know what they'd say.

"And again, you want us to fly into the Terminus Systems to chase your fantasies! And again, we must tell you we cannot do so without risking a little thing called open war!"

(this is assuming TIM would even let you give the base's coordinates to the Council)

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

The pieces proved valuable when we reproduced technology based off of them.

TIM wants to use the base's technology itself.

Why do you assume that?

Because he says he wants to use the technology in this base.

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

People have suggested that the pieces of Sovereign's wreckage were damaging and caused indoctrination.

Baseless speculation made by stupid people.

I'm not saying I disagree that it's speculation, but logically, since you can't disprove it, you can't discount it.

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I consider almost every other organization in the galaxy more competent at researching dangerous technology than Cerberus.

Why?

Oh lord. Let's not get into this.

We've been here before, so for the sake of everyone else, just recall my previous arguments about their past failed experiments.

Shandepared wrote...

If its dangerous we can blow it up later. What I think is far more dangerous is blindly trudging into this fight with billion year old dreadnaughts of unparalleled power without knowing anything substantial about them.

If the Collector base is dangerous then a Cerberus team gets killed.

If we don't have the intel and/or technology we need to match the Reapers in the coming fight then millions, or billions, or even trillions (and perhaps even more) get killed.

You are making assumptions again.

Listen, there is no "we" in "we can blow it up later". TIM has this base now. TIM. If he is as competent as you profess, he will have full control over this base, and he will never let it be taken away from him, or be blown up.

You don't know that the damage this would cause would be isolated to Cerberus fatalities.

You don't know you will be able to stop the Illusive Man before he does something catastrophic.

You don't know you will have any kind of control over this base after ME2.

You, like me, are making the decision based on what you personally think will happen, so would you just admit it?

[Spartas Husky]

Shandepared wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

WHy not blow it up, who here wouldn't want to be in a high speed escape from a sun like explosion... some have to say that woudl be kool.. and the explosion would kill nobody special... except clones.. so is a win win right?

Biig explosion, escaped by the just a hair's distance... that is nice lol

I get more satisfaction out of capturing my enemy's assets and turning them against him.

It's like in Command & Conquer. Sure, I could just blow up the construction yard but why do that when I can sneak an engineer in there?

Well, imagine this. Is the... alliance? forgot the name of the good side, and Kane's side.

You capture an alien base.... but you have to give it to kane who has the key to using it.

Well you data mined the base and you can reconstruct it.....

I'll feel much better blowing it up knowing I got data in mass to make up for the pretty display of nuclear explosion.

[Nightwriter]

thegreateski wrote...

atheelogos wrote...
But lets not forget the pics that joker somehow got. The council can't ignore that. Unless the writers make them unbelievably studpid again....

Ah yes . . . "PICTURES". The supposed method by which a person can capture a moment in an image. We have dismissed these claims.

And what's this gibberish you have written on this tablet Shepard? Reapers again? Collectors? A secret base in the galactic core? The Omega-4 relay?This looks like a crappy science fiction story! Ha!
*Tosses the Reaper data into the garbage*

You know it would happen.

ME3 should start with the Citadel in ruins and gunfire everywhere and the Council standing there looking down at the husk spikes protruding through their stomachs.

And the turian Councilor says: Ah yes, "impalement".

[atheelogos]

wulf3n wrote...

Why are our only 2 options destroy the base or give it to TIM? what we can't give it to the Alliance? or the Council? TIM's been pretty lenient so far with Shepards methods so far, i doubt he will try and stop you!
This is why i meta-game, because the game itself is so limiting, i realize that my choices are ultimately meaningless, so i may as well go full paragon, or full renegade.

I agree I would have loved to hand this over to the Alliance.

[atheelogos]

Nightwriter wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

"Please. This sounds like the "there's some things we weren't meant to understand!" argument, which I loathe." I with you 110% on this one!! I hate that argument as well. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth

I know you weren't. I wasn't trying to be hostile.

It's just that, when you destroy the base, certain people automatically assume you're a specific type of person.

Naive, moral to the point of stupidity, self-righteous, irrational, ignorant... you get the idea.

atheelogos wrote...

"Know what I mean?" Yes I understand where your coming from. But with that said we should at least inspect the base to see if it could be helpful or not. Trying to judge it at  a glance is a mistake imho.

I really agree. I really wish I could've inspected the base before I agreed to hand it over to him, but I couldn't.

You sort of have to make the decision on the fly, which is lame. You really should inspect it to see if it's all right to keep it as much as you should inspect it to see if it's all right to destroy it.

Oh no I meant inpect the base in the months after the fight. There was way to much fighting to do it before hand.

[Spartas Husky]

Shandepared wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Well, imagine this. Is the... alliance? forgot the name of the good side, and Kane's side.

You capture an alien base.... but you have to give it to kane who has the key to using it.

Boy are you making this argument to the wrong man.

PEACE THROUGH POWER!

PEACE THROUGH POWER!

PEACE THROUGH POWER!

PEACE THROUGH POWER!

hehehehe. You remind me of that blue guy general from Pandora. IN the Star Wars animated series in Cartoon Network, always thiking with his gun til he gets stabbed with a spear... lol

Dont know who I am talking about, just a over agressive military leader who gets whacked l^_^

[thegreateski]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Well, imagine this. Is the... alliance? forgot the name of the good side, and Kane's side.

You capture an alien base.... but you have to give it to kane who has the key to using it.

Boy are you making this argument to the wrong man.

PEACE THROUGH POWER!

PEACE THROUGH POWER!

PEACE THROUGH POWER!

PEACE THROUGH POWER!

hehehehe. You remind me of that blue guy general from Pandora. IN the Star Wars animated series in Cartoon Network, always thiking with his gun til he gets stabbed with a spear... lol

Dont know who I am talking about, just a over agressive military leader who gets whacked l^_^

What they don't show is where the Humans come back and bombard the planet to cinders from orbit.

also. KANE LIVES IN DEATH!

Modifié par thegreateski, 29 juillet 2010 - 04:08 .

[atheelogos]

Legion 2.5 wrote...

I would preserve it to see what happens in ME3 but I mostly go paragon and destroy but I would like to see what happens in ME3.

You should go the Paragad route. Much more satisfying. If you stick to pure pargon or renagade then you limit yourself in your choices. This is one of the many reasons I love dragon age. They got rid of that whole morality system.

Here Bioware said it better than I could
"While it’s fun to see concrete evidence of your choices, the morality
bar imposes a restriction on them, too. It requires that every choice
you make be classified as good or evil, leading players to behave as
ruthless despots or selfless paragons, but without much room for
anything in between.

“The thing about the morality bar is that it
gives players a choice, but it simplifies it,” says Darrah. “It’s like
watching a cartoon, to a certain degree. I’m not saying that as a bad
thing – it makes the choices a bit easier without taking the choice away
completely.” "

[atheelogos]

Nightwriter wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Not to mention proof to the council that the Reapers are real and headed for us.

Honestly I doubt the base would convince them but it's worth a shot.

I agree. It probably wouldn't convince them. You know what they'd say.

"And again, you want us to fly into the Terminus Systems to chase your fantasies! And again, we must tell you we cannot do so without risking a little thing called open war!"

(this is assuming TIM would even let you give the base's coordinates to the Council)

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

The pieces proved valuable when we reproduced technology based off of them.

TIM wants to use the base's technology itself.

Why do you assume that?

Because he says he wants to use the technology in this base.

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

People have suggested that the pieces of Sovereign's wreckage were damaging and caused indoctrination.

Baseless speculation made by stupid people.

I'm not saying I disagree that it's speculation, but logically, since you can't disprove it, you can't discount it.

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I consider almost every other organization in the galaxy more competent at researching dangerous technology than Cerberus.

Why?

Oh lord. Let's not get into this.

We've been here before, so for the sake of everyone else, just recall my previous arguments about their past failed experiments.

Shandepared wrote...

If its dangerous we can blow it up later. What I think is far more dangerous is blindly trudging into this fight with billion year old dreadnaughts of unparalleled power without knowing anything substantial about them.

If the Collector base is dangerous then a Cerberus team gets killed.

If we don't have the intel and/or technology we need to match the Reapers in the coming fight then millions, or billions, or even trillions (and perhaps even more) get killed.

You are making assumptions again.

Listen, there is no "we" in "we can blow it up later". TIM has this base now. TIM. If he is as competent as you profess, he will have full control over this base, and he will never let it be taken away from him, or be blown up.

You don't know that the damage this would cause would be isolated to Cerberus fatalities.

You don't know you will be able to stop the Illusive Man before he does something catastrophic.

You don't know you will have any kind of control over this base after ME2.

You, like me, are making the decision based on what you personally think will happen, so would you just admit it?

"
I'm not saying I disagree that it's speculation, but logically, since you can't disprove it, you can't discount it." That doesn't mean we should suppose it when there is no good reason to do so.

[atheelogos]

thegreateski wrote...

atheelogos wrote...
But lets not forget the pics that joker somehow got. The council can't ignore that. Unless the writers make them unbelievably studpid again....

Ah yes . . . "PICTURES". The supposed method by which a person can capture a moment in an image. We have dismissed these claims.

And what's this gibberish you have written on this tablet Shepard? Reapers again? Collectors? A secret base in the galactic core? The Omega-4 relay?This looks like a crappy science fiction story! Ha!
*Tosses the Reaper data into the garbage*

LMAO!!!:D You know if they did this it wouldn't surprise me. Good post btw had me laughing.

[thegreateski]

Shandepared wrote...
That said, I haven't seen Avatar. Way too much liberal white guilt just in the trailer and promotional material for that movie. I get irritated just thinking about it.

Good thing too.

You would probably RAGE over the ending. I know I did.

that said.

The guns those mech-things had were flipping awesome.

[atheelogos]

Nightwriter wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

atheelogos wrote...
But lets not forget the pics that joker somehow got. The council can't ignore that. Unless the writers make them unbelievably studpid again....

Ah yes . . . "PICTURES". The supposed method by which a person can capture a moment in an image. We have dismissed these claims.

And what's this gibberish you have written on this tablet Shepard? Reapers again? Collectors? A secret base in the galactic core? The Omega-4 relay?This looks like a crappy science fiction story! Ha!
*Tosses the Reaper data into the garbage*

You know it would happen.

ME3 should start with the Citadel in ruins and gunfire everywhere and the Council standing there looking down at the husk spikes protruding through their stomachs.

And the turian Councilor says: Ah yes, "impalement".

rotflmao:D "I would almost pay to see that!" Aria T'Loak

[Spartas Husky]

Shandepared wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

hehehehe. You remind me of that blue guy general from Pandora. IN the Star Wars animated series in Cartoon Network, always thiking with his gun til he gets stabbed with a spear... lol

Dont know who I am talking about, just a over agressive military leader who gets whacked l^_^

I'm smitten that you think I'm a big, tough, badass marine.

That said, I haven't seen Avatar. Way too much liberal white guilt just in the trailer and promotional material for that movie. I get irritated just thinking about it.

Marine???.... no no, was talking about this dude called Chi Cho, the  Chairman of a planet called Pantora... my bad is with a T not a D. From the Star Wars Animated series... so funny how he gets whacked.

Never seen Avatar, dont really know what is about.

Anyways your like Chi Cho.. lol

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

Nightwriter wrote...

Anything he says is invalidated by the fact that he is an egotist. When a good person says something that is right, it's moving and has weight. When a lousy person says it, it means nothing.

The argument depends upon the certainty that keeping the base is what will save the galaxy, of which you cannot be sure.

The argument depends upon the basis that keeping the base will not somehow lead to the galaxy's destruction, of which you also cannot be sure.

One does need to consider the danger in taking technology that the Reapers will know how to use and manipulate into ourselves.

Comparing technology like the Thannix cannon or the relays is invalid. You must judge each piece of Reaper technology on a case by case basis.

Hey, remember, I'm for destroying the base. But not because of some personal moral code.

And IMO, on the basis for potentially yielding valuable intel on the Reapers (doesn't have to do with weapons or reverse engineering said weapons) and saving thousands/millions of lives, Shepherd should save the base for the upcoming war.

[Nightwriter]

Shandepared wrote...

Why wouldn't he study it and why would this be dangerous anyway? I don't see any reason why humanity would studdenly destroy itself if Alliance marines were all able to equip Collector particle beams or force fields.

It wouldn't. If they were reverse-engineered safely, if they were all that was reverse-engineered, and if it wasn't Cerberus doing it.

That base was a Reaper-making factory. The question you must ask yourself is, what will TIM do with a Reaper making factory?

You make the mistake of thinking that TIM will do with the base what you would do with the base.

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I'm not saying I disagree that it's speculation, but logically, since you can't disprove it, you can't discount it.

It's terrible writing but then that's an argument FOR this theory being true.

I don't disagree.

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

We've been here before, so for the sake of everyone else, just recall my previous arguments about their past failed experiments.

Then I repeat my past arguments about their successes.

In principal.

I repeat my past counterarguments.

This is fun.

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Listen, there is no "we" in "we can blow it up later". TIM has this base now. TIM. If he is as competent as you profess, he will have full control over this base, and he will never let it be taken away from him, or be blown up.

He will if the base is useless to him.

He will never see it as useless to him.

Shandepared wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

You, like me, are making the decision based on what you personally think will happen, so would you just admit it?

I don't think you are properly considering the risks involved in this decision.

Just like I don't think you are properly considering the risks in yours?

[Dave of Canada]

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...

And IMO, on the basis for potentially yielding valuable intel on the Reapers (doesn't have to do with weapons or reverse engineering said weapons) and saving thousands/millions of lives, Shepherd should save the base for the upcoming war.

Yet, how many lives will be loss due to Cerberus holding one of the most dangerous weapons (I'll just call the entire base a weapon) in the galaxy? Even if it yielded no technology to be reverse engineered, having the base is a huge advantage for Cerberus and will possibly assist them greatly in their anti-human agenda.

Either the entire galaxy will go to war against humanity and Cerberus will assist in culling them (making them look like heroes due to it) resulting in a lot of deaths for both sides or Cerberus will assist humanity's domination of the galaxy and subdue all the species under humanity.

The sheer amounts of Collector data on other species should be huge considering how long they've been collecting members of each species.

[thegreateski]

Dave of Canada wrote...

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...

And IMO, on the basis for potentially yielding valuable intel on the Reapers (doesn't have to do with weapons or reverse engineering said weapons) and saving thousands/millions of lives, Shepherd should save the base for the upcoming war.

Yet, how many lives will be loss due to Cerberus holding one of the most dangerous weapons (I'll just call the entire base a weapon) in the galaxy? Even if it yielded no technology to be reverse engineered, having the base is a huge advantage for Cerberus and will possibly assist them greatly in their anti-human agenda.

Either the entire galaxy will go to war against humanity and Cerberus will assist in culling them (making them look like heroes due to it) resulting in a lot of deaths for both sides or Cerberus will assist humanity's domination of the galaxy and subdue all the species under humanity.

As opposed to all of us getting curbstomped by the reapers.

[RiouHotaru]

thegreateski wrote...

Ah yes . . . "PICTURES". The supposed method by which a person can capture a moment in an image. We have dismissed these claims.

And what's this gibberish you have written on this tablet Shepard? Reapers again? Collectors? A secret base in the galactic core? The Omega-4 relay?This looks like a crappy science fiction story! Ha!
*Tosses the Reaper data into the garbage*

One problem with this take: They accepted the audio log from the Geth unit that Tali salvaged as proof of Saren's betrayal WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT.  Heck, even the TURIAN councilor, known for being an indignant and smarmy **** whenever Shepard doesn't have proof INSTANTLY concedes that Saren is in fact, a traitor.  If they can accept the audio logs, then the Reaper data HAS to convince them.

[Nightwriter]

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...

Hey, remember, I'm for destroying the base. But not because of some personal moral code.

And IMO, on the basis for potentially yielding valuable intel on the Reapers (doesn't have to do with weapons or reverse engineering said weapons) and saving thousands/millions of lives, Shepherd should save the base for the upcoming war.

But you know you can save the galaxy anyway.

It's not like you don't come away with intel. I mean in Retribution they're talking like the Illusve Man came away with tech either way.