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[smudboy]

Crespire wrote...

If you'd read, I said "stop the cycle completely" I didn't figure I'd have to make that much clear to you, but it seems I have to. I know they're on their way, but I am confident we will stop them.

Well that's exactly what I'm objecting to.

If they're still coming, how does blowing up the base stop the cycle completely?

Why are you confident?

I think maybe you should go to bed, and try again in the morning

I think you don't understand English, and no amount of sleep on my part will change that.

[Crespire]

smudboy wrote...

Crespire wrote...

If you'd read, I said "stop the cycle completely" I didn't figure I'd have to make that much clear to you, but it seems I have to. I know they're on their way, but I am confident we will stop them.

Well that's exactly what I'm objecting to.

If they're still coming, how does blowing up the base stop the cycle completely?

Why are you confident?

I think maybe you should go to bed, and try again in the morning

I think you don't understand English, and no amount of sleep on my part will change that.

I'm confident that without the base's supposed treasures we will still do fine. Stopping the cycle completely means that there is no way for the Reapers to somehow re-construct themselves in our galaxy. They may be able to do it in dark space, but god knows we'll be pulling a Krogan (re: Rachni) and chasing them all over the universe.

I'm not saying you don't understand English, you can clearly read and type it. You just have trouble grasping onto ideas and concepts. You're right, I don't think sleep will help that. (baiting, baiting...)

Modifié par Crespire, 03 août 2010 - 04:07 .

[smudboy]

Crespire wrote...
I'm confident that without the base's supposed treasures we will still do fine. Stopping the cycle completely means that there is no way for the Reapers to somehow re-construct themselves in our galaxy. They may be able to do it in dark space, but god knows we'll be pulling a Krogan (re: Rachni) and chasing them all over the universe.

I too, believe that saving/destroying the base will have no impact in stopping the Reapers, since it's a binary choice.  My arguments for keeping the base refer to common sense and reason, not just to spite TIM.

I'm not saying you don't understand English, you can clearly read and type it. You just have trouble grasping onto ideas and concepts. You're right, I don't think sleep will help that. (baiting, baiting...)

What ideas do I have trouble grasping onto?

1) You make a statement of absolutes
2) Your absolute reality is then contradicted by your second statement.
3) Your next statement refers to your confidence that it's not a contradiction.

Unless I'm missing something here.

[Crespire]

smudboy wrote...

Crespire wrote...
I'm confident that without the base's supposed treasures we will still do fine. Stopping the cycle completely means that there is no way for the Reapers to somehow re-construct themselves in our galaxy. They may be able to do it in dark space, but god knows we'll be pulling a Krogan (re: Rachni) and chasing them all over the universe.

I too, believe that saving/destroying the base will have no impact in stopping the Reapers, since it's a binary choice.  My arguments for keeping the base refer to common sense and reason, not just to spite TIM.

I'm not saying you don't understand English, you can clearly read and type it. You just have trouble grasping onto ideas and concepts. You're right, I don't think sleep will help that. (baiting, baiting...)

What ideas do I have trouble grasping onto?

1) You make a statement of absolutes
2) Your absolute reality is then contradicted by your second statement.
3) Your next statement refers to your confidence that it's not a contradiction.

Unless I'm missing something here.

I don't destroy the base to spite TIM. If you had been following my posts; I'm sure that much was clear. it's that reading comprehension thing, man.

[Dean_the_Young]

Crespire wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

He's right though. Shand is particular is using a moral decision in a VIDEO GAME to judge people and claim superiority over them.

It's always liberal democrats who play paragon and destroy the base.

But we'd be called socalist by Glenn Beck!

Also, Dean_the_young it was nice doing a back and fourth from you, but you can never seem to stay away from the "you are obviously retarded" angle, so I conceed, someone on the internet thinks I am illogical, though I think the same of him.

When have I ever called or implied you to be a retard?

[Crespire]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Crespire wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

He's right though. Shand is particular is using a moral decision in a VIDEO GAME to judge people and claim superiority over them.

It's always liberal democrats who play paragon and destroy the base.

But we'd be called socalist by Glenn Beck!

Also, Dean_the_young it was nice doing a back and fourth from you, but you can never seem to stay away from the "you are obviously retarded" angle, so I conceed, someone on the internet thinks I am illogical, though I think the same of him.

When have I ever called or implied you to be a retard?

Must be all in my head.

[Massadonious1]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

He's right though. Shand is particular is using a moral decision in a VIDEO GAME to judge people and claim superiority over them.

It's always liberal democrats who play paragon and destroy the base.

Why do I get the feeling you're purposefully looking for confrontations as of late?

You couldn't hear the sarcasm in that?

It was as dry as sand blasting a saltine ******.

It's not the first time he's made such a statement, and I doubt it would be the last. Even if he is being sarcastic, I can't help but think there is a grain of truth behind it.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 03 août 2010 - 05:24 .

[RDSFirebane]

The base thing can go either way but I just want to point something out.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend true but not when that friend is my enemy as well.

Cerebrus or TIM is only working with us for his own gain to stop the reapers from killing us all off. but he shows many times that hes willing to let shepard die again if it means getting his way so letting him have the base is only really giveing the lesser or two evils a bigger gun for the sake of killing of the main evil but at the end of all of this TIM will still be here and if we are lucky so will shepard but if not havent you simply replaced the reapers with a new evil thats just as bad? 

[Rogue Unit]

I haven't read most of the thread so excuse my ignorance, but how would TIM even use the base if the Normandy is the only ship that can safely get to the base?

The Normandy crew is pretty loyal to Shepard so the I'm guessing TIM would only be able to use the base on Shepard's terms and get what information and technology that Shepard wants him to have/see.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 03 août 2010 - 06:39 .

[Dave of Canada]

atheelogos wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I've destroyed the base multiple times simply because by using it, we'd be losing our humanity.

I'm sry but that sounds incredibly short sighted.

Read the link.

[RDSFirebane]

uh ok I'm sorry but TIM had the new Normandy built I'm sure he could again and the crew is mainly cerebrus so whos to say they are all loyal and sorry TIM is as bad as the reapers if he has to kill all the other races to put humans on top he will do everything he can but I guess an Idiot like me wouldn't catch that fact from the way he acts

[Kenrae]

RDSFirebane wrote...

uh ok I'm sorry but TIM had the new Normandy built I'm sure he could again and the crew is mainly cerebrus so whos to say they are all loyal and sorry TIM is as bad as the reapers if he has to kill all the other races to put humans on top he will do everything he can but I guess an Idiot like me wouldn't catch that fact from the way he acts

Even if that would be true, at least the humans would survive. Surely that's better than everybody dying.

The main problem is having only two options. The one that would make most sense is everybody having access to the base, that would increase its usefulness since more scientist would be able to study it, all races would use resources to its study and the results would benefit all, which would be far better once the reapers come.

[RDSFirebane]

well better the devil you know then the demon you don't I guess but you cant tell me you really felt like you've won if humans are the only ones to make it. I can see your point and I'll give to it but what happens next time? there could be more groups of reapers out there the game says that what only 1-10% of the galaxy is known and that's only thx to the relays what if the other races (even if they die) are/were the only reason humans survive the fight? even with reaper tech is it not better to go out together then just be hopelessly crushed later anyway?

[Dave of Canada]

Kenrae wrote...

Even if that would be true, at least the humans would survive. Surely that's better than everybody dying.

Not being human myself, I don't see any redeeming qualities in the species that should be perserved. Although, I'd get rather bored on forums.

[Kenrae]

RDSFirebane wrote...

well better the devil you know then the demon you don't I guess but you cant tell me you really felt like you've won if humans are the only ones to make it. I can see your point and I'll give to it but what happens next time? there could be more groups of reapers out there the game says that what only 1-10% of the galaxy is known and that's only thx to the relays what if the other races (even if they die) are/were the only reason humans survive the fight? even with reaper tech is it not better to go out together then just be hopelessly crushed later anyway?

That's just guessing, we don't know anything about that. We only know they'll come and we better fight with everything we've got. That means not destroying a potential asset too.
And no, I wouldn't feel like I've won if humans are the only ones to make it, but while I don't like TIM, I don't think that's what he wants. He "just" wants humans to be on top and strong, not obliterate the rest of the galaxy. And if he becomes a problem afterwards he'd be easier to deal with than the reapers.

[RDSFirebane]

How so Kenrae you've given him reaper tech is a cerebrus built reaper any better then the ones we have now your giving him the tech when we know he has the money the contacts and the people to do it plus the drive to do it hes looking at this as a game of chess you never give the other guy his queen back.

[atheelogos]

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

He's right though. Shand is particular is using a moral decision in a VIDEO GAME to judge people and claim superiority over them.

It's always liberal democrats who play paragon and destroy the base.

That's not true. I'm a liberal and I take a hard stance for keeping the base. I keep it on most of my playthroughs.

Modifié par atheelogos, 03 août 2010 - 07:27 .

[atheelogos]

Crespire wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Crespire wrote...

If you'd read, I said "stop the cycle completely" I didn't figure I'd have to make that much clear to you, but it seems I have to. I know they're on their way, but I am confident we will stop them.

Well that's exactly what I'm objecting to.

If they're still coming, how does blowing up the base stop the cycle completely?

Why are you confident?

I think maybe you should go to bed, and try again in the morning

I think you don't understand English, and no amount of sleep on my part will change that.

I'm confident that without the base's supposed treasures we will still do fine. Stopping the cycle completely means that there is no way for the Reapers to somehow re-construct themselves in our galaxy. They may be able to do it in dark space, but god knows we'll be pulling a Krogan (re: Rachni) and chasing them all over the universe.

I'm not saying you don't understand English, you can clearly read and type it. You just have trouble grasping onto ideas and concepts. You're right, I don't think sleep will help that. (baiting, baiting...)

"
I'm confident that without the base's supposed treasures we will still do fine." Unfortunately your probably right about that. But I see that as
lackuster writing. If there is no right choice how can there be true
consequences?

Modifié par atheelogos, 03 août 2010 - 07:35 .

[Kenrae]

RDSFirebane wrote...

How so Kenrae you've given him reaper tech is a cerebrus built reaper any better then the ones we have now your giving him the tech when we know he has the money the contacts and the people to do it plus the drive to do it hes looking at this as a game of chess you never give the other guy his queen back.

A Cerberus built reaper? Uh? Why would want Cerberus, a pro-human organization, want to build a creature that could destroy humanity? Besides the fact that, even if building it was possible which is a big stretch, you'd need to kill nearly all of humanity in the process.
So, we'd have a pro-human organization wanting to destroy humanity. Yes, it makes the most sense:huh:.

[Dave of Canada]

Kenrae wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

How so Kenrae you've given him reaper tech is a cerebrus built reaper any better then the ones we have now your giving him the tech when we know he has the money the contacts and the people to do it plus the drive to do it hes looking at this as a game of chess you never give the other guy his queen back.

A Cerberus built reaper? Uh? Why would want Cerberus, a pro-human organization, want to build a creature that could destroy humanity? Besides the fact that, even if building it was possible which is a big stretch, you'd need to kill nearly all of humanity in the process.
So, we'd have a pro-human organization wanting to destroy humanity. Yes, it makes the most sense:huh:.

Cerberus aren't known for their intelligence, they'd probably make an Asari / Turian / Krogan / Salarian / Vorcha / Drell (ect) Reaper and think they'd be able to control it.

Look at Grayson in Retribution for example.

[Kenrae]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Cerberus aren't known for their intelligence, they'd probably make an Asari / Turian / Krogan / Salarian / Vorcha / Drell (ect) Reaper and think they'd be able to control it.

Being able to build a human reaper with what's left of the base is already a big stretch. Being able to build a reaper based on different species would make Mass Effect a high fantasy setting, with some Terry Pratchet thrown in it to increase the absurdity of everything.
Besides, do you really think a 50-people organization (at most) is able to kidnap bilions of people, whatever the race?

[Dave of Canada]

Kenrae wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Cerberus aren't known for their intelligence, they'd probably make an Asari / Turian / Krogan / Salarian / Vorcha / Drell (ect) Reaper and think they'd be able to control it.

Being able to build a human reaper with what's left of the base is already a big stretch. Being able to build a reaper based on different species would make Mass Effect a high fantasy setting, with some Terry Pratchet thrown in it to increase the absurdity of everything.
Besides, do you really think a 50-people organization (at most) is able to kidnap bilions of people, whatever the race?

Pfft.

A bite-sized reaper would also work.

[didymos1120]

atheelogos wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
It's always liberal democrats who play paragon and destroy the base.

That's not true. I'm a liberal and I take a hard stance for keeping the base. I keep it on most of my playthroughs.

Um, actually, you're not a counterexample.  You need to find a non-liberal and/or non-Democrat player who destroys the base.  Shouldn't be too hard given that, you know, not everyone in the whole f*cking world is from the US and therefore not all that likely to be a member of the US Democratic Party.  I.e., Shandepared is still making a wrong-ass, unwarranted generalization. Or ineffectively using sarcasm. Either one.

Shandepared wrote...

Idiots like you are what prevent me from being polite and friendly.

Way to embrace that whole "personal responsibility" concept:  "The liberal democrat base-destroyers made me do it!"

Modifié par didymos1120, 03 août 2010 - 08:54 .