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[Arijharn]

Dave of Canada wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
I've destroyed the base multiple times simply because by using it, we'd be losing our humanity.

I'm sry but that sounds incredibly short sighted.

Read the link.

I have read the link, and I'm sure you'll feel warm and fuzzy as not just our species but everyone else in the galaxy (since you know, if you can build a rocket you'll probably catch the attention of the Reapers) burns in whatever religious zealotry the Reapers engage in.

But hey, condemning civilisation is totally okay right, because you didn't compromise your ideals.

What a big man you are indeed.

[Mr.Caine]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

He's right though. Shand is particular is using a moral decision in a VIDEO GAME to judge people and claim superiority over them.

It's always liberal democrats who play paragon and destroy the base.

Why do I get the feeling you're purposefully looking for confrontations as of late?

You must be new to the internet. You should lurk more often, it's more exciting.

[CaptainZaysh]

That's the paragon path, Arljharn. They value their clean conscience more than they value other people's lives.

[Arijharn]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

That's the paragon path, Arljharn. They value their clean conscience more than they value other people's lives.

Oh, darn it of course you're right. I must die alongside everyone else if my humanity is called into question, even if they aren't human (because humanity belongs only to humans right?)

I could struggle of course, but why would I? I might just make things worse.

[Sajuro]

Arijharn wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

That's the paragon path, Arljharn. They value their clean conscience more than they value other people's lives.

Oh, darn it of course you're right. I must die alongside everyone else if my humanity is called into question, even if they aren't human (because humanity belongs only to humans right?)

I could struggle of course, but why would I? I might just make things worse.

ooh yay strawmen arguements, and are the renegades the ones that will kill an Alien if that Alien is ahead of them in the buffet line?

[Commander Maklai]

Arijharn wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

That's the paragon path, Arljharn. They value their clean conscience more than they value other people's lives.

Oh, darn it of course you're right. I must die alongside everyone else if my humanity is called into question, even if they aren't human (because humanity belongs only to humans right?)

I could struggle of course, but why would I? I might just make things worse.

Well the protheans tried to use reaper technology against the reapers, and all it did to them is ended up making them slaves of the reapers.

Basically, if you take candy from the reapers, they'll mind control you with it.

[Sajuro]

Commander Maklai wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

That's the paragon path, Arljharn. They value their clean conscience more than they value other people's lives.

Oh, darn it of course you're right. I must die alongside everyone else if my humanity is called into question, even if they aren't human (because humanity belongs only to humans right?)

I could struggle of course, but why would I? I might just make things worse.

Well the protheans tried to use reaper technology against the reapers, and all it did to them is ended up making them slaves of the reapers.

Basically, if you take candy from the reapers, they'll mind control you with it.

mmmmm mind controlling candy -drools-

[Kenrae]

Commander Maklai wrote...
Well the protheans tried to use reaper technology against the reapers, and all it did to them is ended up making them slaves of the reapers.

Basically, if you take candy from the reapers, they'll mind control you with it.

Then we're doomed because all of our technology is from the reapers.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Kenrae wrote...

Then we're doomed because all of our technology is from the reapers.

Ironically, that is the whole point. The Reapers direct the development of organic life as they see fit by the positioning of the mass relays.

[Intax]

I can't understand why anyone would destroy the collector base other than they want to see how it turns out in ME3, so I have 1 play through with a destroyed base.



We find out that human technology jumped, what, 300 years ahead by finding a tiny piece broken Prothean tech. Here is an entire space station worth of tech that is likely close to as old as the reapers themselves. I just can't see throwing it away because of some feeling of distrust for TIM. It just seems irrational.

[Kenrae]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Kenrae wrote...

Then we're doomed because all of our technology is from the reapers.

Ironically, that is the whole point. The Reapers direct the development of organic life as they see fit by the positioning of the mass relays.

And we're past that point, we've dodged the trap (thanks to some help from the Protheans of old). It wasn't using anything from the reapers, it was using the Mass Relays and The Citadel without knowing anything about them.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Kenrae wrote...

And we're past that point, we've dodged the trap (thanks to some help from the Protheans of old). It wasn't using anything from the reapers, it was using the Mass Relays and The Citadel without knowing anything about them.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but the Mass Relays and the Citadel were almost surely created by the Reapers. So yes, we were using something "from the Reapers."

[Dave of Canada]

Arijharn wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
I've destroyed the base multiple times simply because by using it, we'd be losing our humanity.

I'm sry but that sounds incredibly short sighted.

Read the link.

I have read the link, and I'm sure you'll feel warm and fuzzy as not just our species but everyone else in the galaxy (since you know, if you can build a rocket you'll probably catch the attention of the Reapers) burns in whatever religious zealotry the Reapers engage in.

But hey, condemning civilisation is totally okay right, because you didn't compromise your ideals.

What a big man you are indeed.

Chill out, the link even admits what I'm doing isn't the most reasonable thing.

[RDSFirebane]

Well base or no base we can all at least agree that when the reapers do attack the odd are strong that they will shut down the mass relays that they are not using directly dividing our forces the only real question is if we only have years before they get here is that enough time to revamp the tech stolen from the collector base when we don't know exactly if it would even affect them all the same if each reaper is based off of the main race of the time its not that far fetched to think some reapers are stronger then others.

[Inverness Moon]

atheelogos wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

It's always liberal democrats who play paragon and destroy the base.

That's not true. I'm a liberal and I take a hard stance for keeping the base. I keep it on most of my playthroughs.

*Notes that atheelogos is a liberal*

Just according to keikaku.

Commander Maklai wrote...

Well the protheans tried to use reaper technology against the reapers, and all it did to them is ended up making them slaves of the reapers.

Basically, if you take candy from the reapers, they'll mind control you with it.

Or, people could stop being cowards and figure out how reaper technology works so they don't become victims of it.

[GreedIsNoException]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

I fail to see the point in doing it. Preserving the base seemed convientient and perhaps increased the chances of getting collector weapons and tech in ME3. I don't get why the majority of the community destroy it. The last person I asked just said it was "to get a more satifying explosion" but it seems like more than that.

If you destroy it or not it ends the same if you read Mass Effect: Retribution because the base where TIM had the stuffs gets destroyed.... but thi sis something I read this week

[Dean_the_Young]

GreedIsNoException wrote...

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

I fail to see the point in doing it. Preserving the base seemed convientient and perhaps increased the chances of getting collector weapons and tech in ME3. I don't get why the majority of the community destroy it. The last person I asked just said it was "to get a more satifying explosion" but it seems like more than that.

If you destroy it or not it ends the same if you read Mass Effect: Retribution because the base where TIM had the stuffs gets destroyed.... but thi sis something I read this week

Not implied at all. If you destroy the base, TIM and Cerberus can only salvage framents. If you keep it, they get the big boon.

[Sajuro]

didymos1120 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
It's always liberal democrats who play paragon and destroy the base.

That's not true. I'm a liberal and I take a hard stance for keeping the base. I keep it on most of my playthroughs.

Um, actually, you're not a counterexample.  You need to find a non-liberal and/or non-Democrat player who destroys the base.  Shouldn't be too hard given that, you know, not everyone in the whole f*cking world is from the US and therefore not all that likely to be a member of the US Democratic Party.  I.e., Shandepared is still making a wrong-ass, unwarranted generalization. Or ineffectively using sarcasm. Either one.

Shandepared wrote...

Idiots like you are what prevent me from being polite and friendly.

Way to embrace that whole "personal responsibility" concept:  "The liberal democrat base-destroyers made me do it!"

Shan making a generalization and insulting other people? Say it ain't so

[Kenrae]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Kenrae wrote...
And we're past that point, we've dodged the trap (thanks to some help from the Protheans of old). It wasn't using anything from the reapers, it was using the Mass Relays and The Citadel without knowing anything about them.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but the Mass Relays and the Citadel were almost surely created by the Reapers. So yes, we were using something "from the Reapers."

Of course it's from the Reapers. What I meant to say is that the trap wasn't "using anything from the Reapers", it was "using the Mass Relays and the Citadel".

[Revan061]

I subconciously related the Collector Base to the Star Forge in KotOR. The more I think about it the more I'm inclined to believe that they are basically the same. That's just my two cents.<br /> <br />



I destroyed the base. I am not liberal. I consider myself more in the middle than anything. My reasoning was that if everyone can't have access to it, then no one can. Its unfair. There needed to be more options for this to be resolved in a satisfactory fashion.

[Arijharn]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
I've destroyed the base multiple times simply because by using it, we'd be losing our humanity.

I'm sry but that sounds incredibly short sighted.

Read the link.

I have read the link, and I'm sure you'll feel warm and fuzzy as not just our species but everyone else in the galaxy (since you know, if you can build a rocket you'll probably catch the attention of the Reapers) burns in whatever religious zealotry the Reapers engage in.

But hey, condemning civilisation is totally okay right, because you didn't compromise your ideals.

What a big man you are indeed.

Chill out, the link even admits what I'm doing isn't the most reasonable thing.

You're right, sorry... it's just that I've done both the paragon and renegade thing, and to me its just so illogical to destroy the base that I can't help but think that people who do save it (and reason it as enough to just spite TIM) as being naive.

I project too much into it because I try to equate what the real person is like rather than just the game character. I'd rather sacrifice my humanity than let the galaxy burn, but I'm unsure if that's me being prudent or me being some sort of martyr.

[Kenrae]

Revan061 wrote...
I destroyed the base. I am not liberal. I consider myself more in the middle than anything. My reasoning was that if everyone can't have access to it, then no one can. Its unfair. There needed to be more options for this to be resolved in a satisfactory fashion.

That's what I've been saying all along. Destroying it doesn't make sense but not giving access to anybody else besides Cerberus doesn't make sense neither.

[Geth Trooper 3217]

It's a question of Ethics. I personally would much rather have a chance of using the tech that took out the Alliances top ship in less than ten minutes remember people that the ability to grow a Reaper is only one of the functions that base has. The base has the power to give us the kinetic barriers of Soverign,the power of turning prisoners or mental patients into cannon fodder and a better chance against those thousands of Reapers that are en route. A small chance is better than no chance.

[smudboy]

Luc0s wrote...

Arijharn wrote...
I project too much into it because I try to equate what the real person is like rather than just the game character. I'd rather sacrifice my humanity than let the galaxy burn, but I'm unsure if that's me being prudent or me being some sort of martyr.

Quote from Shepard himself in ME1 (converstation with Alliance investigator about the body from Samesh Bhatia's wife):

Shepard: "What point is there in fighting for humanity if we lose our humanity in the progress?" (blue paragon response)

I think that quote basically sums it all up. It's exactly the reason why I destroy the Collector Base. I don't like how Cerberus operates for this very reason. They say they fight for human interrests, but they don't do it in a very humane way...

Bhatia wanted the body of his wife to have a proper funeral.  As in a cultural ritual.  If Bhatia's wife's body was liquified and in the base, would you still blow it up?

How is destroying the base going against a cultural ritual, especially since you'll be destroying everyone's remains?  And what of Cerberus' interest in humanity isn't humane?