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[Jestina]

Well I hope it's nothing at all like Oblivion. People raved about that game but it just felt like a complete bore fest to me.

[SithLordExarKun]

Kalfear wrote...


And im far from the only one that says this stuff, if you look back, majority of posters that played ME1 were disappointed in ME@, they just have lifes and didnt stick around to argue the point is all.

False, the majority of posters actually preferred ME2 over ME1, it was just the very vocal minority consisting of the same old people constantly posting their dislike of the game, take a look at the polls and see how wrong you are.

As for "they have lives and didn't stick around to argue the point", you're wrong yet again considering the fact that these same old people constantly post and argue in the dissapointment thread.

[Jestina]

Well the developers caused a lot of the uproar by changing the format of the series in the second game. It went from RPG/action to almost a full shooter by the second.

[W00DBar0n]

Jestina wrote...

Well the developers caused a lot of the uproar by changing the format of the series in the second game. It went from RPG/action to almost a full shooter by the second.

As they say third times the charm.

[SSV Enterprise]

Jestina wrote...

Well the developers caused a lot of the uproar by changing the format of the series in the second game. It went from RPG/action to almost a full shooter by the second.

Yeah, it's not like Mass Effect was a shooter to begin with, and Mass Effect 2 was devoid of an RPG elements at all?

On topic:  If you like dynamic choices, conversation control, and cinematic direction from Mass Effect, chances are you'll like Dragon Age.  If you liked Mass Effect's combat system, there are better matches than DA:O.

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 04 juin 2010 - 04:58 .

[AlanC9]

Kalfear wrote...
If I fed you 7 course meals till you came to expect them and then gave you peanut butter and jam only, you also would be upset.

This may be the worst ME metaphor I've seen yet. Did you not read tjmax's actual post? He went through Me2, and thern found ME1 didn't measure up to ME2's standard. Would a man who's eaten only peanut butter and jam really find a 7 course meal bad when he finally gets one?

And im far from the only one that says this stuff, if you look back, majority of posters that played ME1 were disappointed in ME@, they just have lifes and didnt stick around to argue the point is all.

You've been saying this for months, but I've never seen the evidence to back it up. You're not alone, but you're not in any kind of majority either. Edit: feel free to prove me wrong -- say, with an analysis of Gamespot user reviews.

I'm feeling free to go on with this topic because SSV Enterprise finished off the official topic nicely.

Modifié par AlanC9, 04 juin 2010 - 05:16 .

[Kalfear]

AlanC9 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...
If I fed you 7 course meals till you came to expect them and then gave you peanut butter and jam only, you also would be upset.

This may be the worst ME metaphor I've seen yet. Did you not read tjmax's actual post? He went through Me2, and thern found ME1 didn't measure up to ME2's standard. Would a man who's eaten only peanut butter and jam really find a 7 course meal bad when he finally gets one?

And im far from the only one that says this stuff, if you look back, majority of posters that played ME1 were disappointed in ME@, they just have lifes and didnt stick around to argue the point is all.

You've been saying this for months, but I've never seen the evidence to back it up. You're not alone, but you're not in any kind of majority either. Edit: feel free to prove me wrong -- say, with an analysis of Gamespot user reviews.

I'm feeling free to go on with this topic because SSV Enterprise finished off the official topic nicely.

how about we use a none bought and paid for reveiw like the New York Times!

ohhh silly me, that ruins your claim

as for evidence, reading is your freind, go look at all the respnces from when game released, overwelming negative!

Just because you and yours post 100 times and someone else posts once doesnt mean your side is 100-1 in votes.

Oh look, sithlordtroll is back. And shes not answered any of the questions put ther her before, just comes back with more BS that she never been able to even point a answer towards!

[Darth Drago]

Kalfear wrote...
Just 1 example, I could go on and on and on regarding ME1 and open ended plot (main and sub story) stories. I cant in ME2, every Loyalty quests ends the exact same way. If you succeed the person loyal, if you dont he/she not. Where is the open ended branches Veex speaks of?

-Can you even fail a loyalty mission in ME2? I know you can royally screw over Zaeed but thats not failing a mission really.


Anyway, I don’t know how this thread got so off topic. Hopefully it will get back in topic…

Armatyr wrote...

curious. will this game give me a satisfaction like mass effect. i need something with its depth u dont know what this game has done for me it has changed my life! I decided to go into space engenering becouse of this game and i love it but i need something that fill that umpth ,is dragon age that game? ive beaten every other rpg.

Modifié par Darth Drago, 04 juin 2010 - 06:15 .

[AlanC9]

Kalfear wrote...
how about we use a none bought and paid for reveiw like the New York Times!

ohhh silly me, that ruins your claim

I like the NYT reviewer's work a lot, actually. And it's true, he didn't like ME2 quite as much as he liked ME1

But a single review isn't the point. You're arguing that the majority of ME1 fans didn't like ME2, not that a single well-respected critic didn't like ME2 quite as much as he liked ME1.

as for evidence, reading is your freind, go look at all the respnces from when game released, overwelming negative!

I read them. They weren't.

I don't think you're lying. Merely deluded.

Modifié par AlanC9, 04 juin 2010 - 07:24 .

[AlanC9]

Speaking of the topic....

Armatyr wrote...
ive beaten every other rpg.

If that's true, you might as well give DA a shot regardless of what we say here.

[Kenrae]

Kalfear wrote...
And im far from the only one that says this stuff, if you look back, majority of posters that played ME1 were disappointed in ME@, they just have lifes and didnt stick around to argue the point is all.

Uh? I wouldn't say that...

[SithLordExarKun]

Kalfear wrote...


how about we use a none bought and paid for reveiw like the New York Times!

ohhh silly me, that ruins your claim

as for evidence, reading is your freind, go look at all the respnces from when game released, overwelming negative!

Just because you and yours post 100 times and someone else posts once doesnt mean your side is 100-1 in votes.

Oh look, sithlordtroll is back. And shes not answered any of the questions put ther her before, just comes back with more BS that she never been able to even point a answer towards!

First, prove that all the reviews are paid for, oh say what? You can't because bioware paid no one to begin with along with the fact no evidence exists(and the evidence doesn't exist because they never paid any one to give them good reviews). And one reviewer who preferred ME1 over ME2 means absolute jack, of course there's going to be people that prefer the first game over the second, but the fact remains that at least for most of the official reviews, most preferred the second game.

Secondly, a few butthurt individuals on these forums crying about how the game sucked for them is a farcry from "evidence", these butt hurt individuals sadly represent the minority(even on bioware social) considering the amount of praise there is for ME2 elsewhere even on our own forums.(remember the little thing called polls?)

If it will please you, go take a look at the user reviews on gamespot for ME2... oh wait you already did but you called darthcaine a troll for proving you wrong. oops.

Third, i never said this game was perfect, i was dissapointed in a few regards but this game isn't the pile of crap you  want it to be.

Last but not least, get some fresh air you basement dweller and quit being a hypocrite, you keep crying out that "Just because you and yours post 100 times and someone else posts once
doesnt mean your side is 100-1 in votes." which was essentially what the various individuals who were dissapointed in ME2 were doing.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 04 juin 2010 - 11:04 .

[DarthCaine]

Kalfear just can't admit most people prefer ME2 over ME1. He's one of those arrogant people that thinks his opinion is always the right one while stubbornly denying proof and calls everybody that disagrees with him a troll

http://social.biowar...596/polls/1670/

GameSpot's user scores:

ME1 PC: 8.9
ME2 PC: 9.2

ME1 360: 9.1
ME2 360: 9.4

People that didn't like the game were just a very vocal minority

Modifié par DarthCaine, 04 juin 2010 - 12:04 .

[The Mythical Magician]

monkeycamoran wrote...
Still, you
could've just said KoTOR in a traditional high fantasy setting and avoided all that ****.

True, I guess I wasn't thinking straight at the time when I replied back to that. 

[MrNose]

I'm still on my first DA playthrough. It's a fun game, but it's not quite so good as ME2.



Travelling is a chore, and so are the battles it entails. The game's battle system isn't that exciting, at least on PC (where it plays like an RTS), so you really want to restrict fights to the missions.



My biggest gripe is with the player character though. You're too faceless. If you're a fan of Oblivian and other games where characters talk to you and you just select text options and stare at people with an expressionless gaze, this won't matter to you, but it bothered me. It's not really a game fault, I just enjoyed Shepard in ME as an actual person who interacted with NPCs, rather than someone who just stands there without emotion when talking.



Still, I'll probably get into it again soon.

[haberman13]

Based on the Idiocracy inspired dumbing down concept:

ME1 is the better game, but released 2 years later the average IQ of the gamer population has dropped 10% so that reality is no longer apparent.

For these reason:

1.  Less choice, if even just perception of choice (ala gear, character builds)
2.  Linear corridor shooter inspired levels
3.  Gears of War combat - duck behind wall, wait, shoot, wait, shoot etc. etc.
4.  End of level loading screens
5.  Dopey cut/paste romance centered relationships

DA:O is vastly superior to ME2 for these reasons:

1.  More choice, strategy in character builds, gear
2.  A large open world to explore
3.  No loading screens
4.  Tactical combat that includes an if/then framework
5.  The combat is action-ish, but also tactical, ME2 is a dull rinse and repeat duck behind wall and shoot mechanic

Yada yada yada, I could go on for hours, but this will suffice.

Modifié par haberman13, 04 juin 2010 - 02:44 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Please anyone who brings up Idiocracy shows that they have significant less IQ for the topic at hand.

IQ is pure BS anyway, not a true measure of intelligence. We want to go spouting around those numbers just to make yourself feel better go ahead, I've got better things to do with my time then to sift through this nonsense.

EDIT:  Someone not conforming to what you prefer is not a sign of stupidity, assuming so is

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 04 juin 2010 - 02:40 .

[haberman13]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Please anyone who brings up Idiocracy shows that they have significant less IQ for the topic at hand.

IQ is pure BS anyway, not a true measure of intelligence. We want to go spouting around those numbers just to make yourself feel better go ahead, I've got better things to do with my time then to sift through this nonsense.

A.  Idiocracy presents a concept that is applicable.
      1.  Q: do you not notice a dumbing down happening generally in society?
B.  IQ is a measurement of your ability to reason through various problems, absolutely applicable.

[Onyx Jaguar]

haberman13 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Please anyone who brings up Idiocracy shows that they have significant less IQ for the topic at hand.

IQ is pure BS anyway, not a true measure of intelligence. We want to go spouting around those numbers just to make yourself feel better go ahead, I've got better things to do with my time then to sift through this nonsense.

A.  Idiocracy presents a concept that is applicable.
      1.  Q: do you not notice a dumbing down happening generally in society?
B.  IQ is a measurement of your ability to reason through various problems, absolutely applicable.

IQ is a biased system that really has nothing to do with what the core of intelligence is.  It was written to conform to a set rules of the authors of the system.  The only true measure of intelligence is through action, not silly tests.

Also every damn generation that ever comes out thinks society is getting dumber and those on the high throne of "self thought" remenice about the good old days.  Useless.  

[tjmax]

Attacking the intelligence of players cause you don't like their opinions is rather immature.





If you are that passionate about a game, that your most logical step is to attack a group of people because you don't agree with them over it, just how smart does that make you?

[haberman13]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

haberman13 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Please anyone who brings up Idiocracy shows that they have significant less IQ for the topic at hand.

IQ is pure BS anyway, not a true measure of intelligence. We want to go spouting around those numbers just to make yourself feel better go ahead, I've got better things to do with my time then to sift through this nonsense.

A.  Idiocracy presents a concept that is applicable.
      1.  Q: do you not notice a dumbing down happening generally in society?
B.  IQ is a measurement of your ability to reason through various problems, absolutely applicable.

IQ is a biased system that really has nothing to do with what the core of intelligence is.  It was written to conform to a set rules of the authors of the system.  The only true measure of intelligence is through action, not silly tests.

Also every damn generation that ever comes out thinks society is getting dumber and those on the high throne of "self thought" remenice about the good old days.  Useless.  

But the IQ test contains questions which force action (thought) and an answer that measures your action, hence an "intelligence quotient"

No, previous generations thought society was getting less moral (also true), the new theory of dumbing down is verifiablly true; look at US high school testing for the last 30 years, there is a noticeable drop in intelligence as measured by math/science/reading skills.

Look at your average TV show today, every concept espoused is a base level of thinking that promotes stupidity and selfishness ... this "dumbing down" is absolutely happening and the data and anecdotal experience support that.

[Sigma Tauri]

haberman13 wrote...
Look at your average TV show today, every concept espoused is a base level of thinking that promotes stupidity and selfishness ... this "dumbing down" is absolutely happening and the data and anecdotal experience support that.

Pahleeeeez, fossil.

More than ten years ago, they had Beavis and Butthead.

[haberman13]

tjmax wrote...

Attacking the intelligence of players cause you don't like their opinions is rather immature.


If you are that passionate about a game, that your most logical step is to attack a group of people because you don't agree with them over it, just how smart does that make you?

If I were hanging around neanderthals arguing that fire was magic would I be less intelligent to explain fire scientifically?

I'm not attacking anyone specifically, just analyzing the trend of increasing stupidity and it's effects on gaming in general.  (read: ME2 was produced because Bioware is also privy to the knowledge that people are satisfied with less complexity and more "action", less thought and more pew pew)

[haberman13]

monkeycamoran wrote...

haberman13 wrote...
Look at your average TV show today, every concept espoused is a base level of thinking that promotes stupidity and selfishness ... this "dumbing down" is absolutely happening and the data and anecdotal experience support that.

Pahleeeeez, fossil.

More than ten years ago, they had Beavis and Butthead.

Sorry, Beavis and Butthead were some of the main promoters of stupidity and ramped up this trend downward, social and cultural change have a time-delayed effect.

20 years ago was Al Bundy (same point, this has been happening for a long time)

Basically a general malaize and laziness has hit our culture leading to this trend (combined with the family tree concept at the beginning of Idiocracy)

Modifié par haberman13, 04 juin 2010 - 02:58 .

[Christmas Ape]

I'd have to say no.



I could bring myself to play a 7th+ hour of Mass Effect.

Guess I've just played the Dragon Age story too many times (probably 20) with polyhedrals and good friends and too much microbrew to get into it as a voiceless pre-rolled from the Kingdom of Greyandbrown.