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[Massadonious1]

Characters are ruined more by hack actors, scripts, or directors than they are by lack of canon.



See Batman & Robin.

[Dethateer]

Why can't they just make another spider-powered guy? Thor knows they randomly insert critical characters in movies all the time.

[Massadonious1]

It wouldn't really be Spider-"Man" at that point.



There are other Spider "beings" last time I checked up on Marvel canon, but I'm not sure any would be as marketable as the main dude. It would just fall to the wayside of characters no one is really familiar with or interested in, like Elektra.

[FlintlockJazz]

scyphozoa wrote...

its not racist to want to see a new rendition of a popular character. characters like spiderman and james bond were designed for primarily white, western demographics, decades ago. that is clearly outdated in 2010 and fan's request to see the franchise reflect the fanbase/their desires is normal - not racist. imho

i also agree that it shouldn't be done just because of skintone. i would be happy to see any actor of any skintone play spiderman or james bond and deliver a better performance than macguire or any of the bond actors.

It's outdated to have white characters?  Okaaaaay.....

If they were to make James Bond black his culture would still have to be British, and have no black culture whatsoever in the character, otherwise its not James Bond, he's british, hands off.  It would also be more realistic to make him asian, as the largest ethnic minority in the UK is asian, not black like it is in america, and appearing like the locals in the middle east would be beneficial to a spy in a modern spy film which is invariable set in the middle east.

[Loerwyn]

@Flintlock, y'do know there was talk of a black actor for Bond for Casino Royale, right? I think it could have made a refreshing change, plus London does have a black community.



But as for this, I'm torn. It could just be an alternative universe, something Marvel are insanely keen on these days, and if it was kept separate then I have no issues. I can't see them turning Peter Parker black, though. Nick Fury was black in an alternate universe (Hi Samuel L!) and that carried over to the films which annoyed me a little, I have to say. Plus the Kane & Lynch film? Lynch is now black and played by Jamie Foxx. Ugh.

Call it racism, call it what you want. But here's a point: Imagine the uproar if they turned a black character white.

[Dethateer]

But don't you see? Black -> White? RACIST! White -> Black? Oh, that's all right. I'm not saying white people are discriminated against, but people seriously need to revise their definition of racism, because applying racism to a single ethinc group is also racist.

[ShinsFortress]

Is it just me, or am I the only one thinking that the best actor available for the job should get it?



Changing race *can* work, but I dislike seeing just for the sake of it. Any descrimination sucks, and that includes 'positive descrimination". Other than "sins of the father...." that doesn't teach much of a lesson.... I thought Kingpin (in Daredevil) was well done. Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury (Iron Man 2) probably *was* the best actor available that they could get.

[FlintlockJazz]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

@Flintlock, y'do know there was talk of a black actor for Bond for Casino Royale, right? I think it could have made a refreshing change, plus London does have a black community.

But as for this, I'm torn. It could just be an alternative universe, something Marvel are insanely keen on these days, and if it was kept separate then I have no issues. I can't see them turning Peter Parker black, though. Nick Fury was black in an alternate universe (Hi Samuel L!) and that carried over to the films which annoyed me a little, I have to say. Plus the Kane & Lynch film? Lynch is now black and played by Jamie Foxx. Ugh.
Call it racism, call it what you want. But here's a point: Imagine the uproar if they turned a black character white.

I have no problem with him being black, was just pointing out that in order for it to remain James Bond he would have to still be British cultured suave bastard since that is pretty much his personality (pretty two-dimensional, but that is James Bond, otherwise its not James Bond), and if they were to change his skintone why not asian moreso than black?  Which then gets us into the whole "Then why not this skin colour?!" argument, which is why I think people should not bother changing characters for reasons of race: it just gets messy.

Talking about changing black characters white, the film The Last Samurai placed an american in the leading role of a film about Japanese history (completely butchered as it was), and historically it was the French not the Americans who were brought in as advisors, yet the film did better in Japan than it did in America.  It is strange and downright stupid what is acceptable and what is not over here these days.

[Lucy Glitter]

It would be refreshing to see a black person as a protagonist for once. It pisses me off how big movies are always dominated by Caucasians.



I am looking at you, Sex and The City.

[Dethateer]

Like I am Legend and Eli's Book?

You can have a very good important movie without modifying an existing and established character.

[JRCHOharry]

I'm not black but can I be spiderman anyway?

[Seagloom]

Image removed, 24 hour ban handed out. Do not circumvent the text filter with images.

So far this topic has been borderline twice. I'm not going to lock it as long as it doesn't get out of hand, but I will advise caution in discussing this subject.

As far as a Black Spider-Man is concerned... I don't care. I probably won't see the movie unless I'm told it's a Batman Begins level reboot of the franchise. Between Spider-Man 3 and One More Day, I've lost all interest in the character.

Modifié par Seagloom, 02 juin 2010 - 11:57 .

[Seagloom]

If that's the case then I'm definitely not bothering. I'm not fond of the teenage Spider-Man concept in any incarnation. Marvel seems intent on marketing him to a younger crowd. Le sigh.

[BardHarbinger]

Michael Clark Duncan as the Kingpin made sense. Do you know of any white actors with the physical size to look like the Kingpin and the acting chops of MCD? He's no DeNiro but he is very talented.



Will Smith as Jim West did not make sense. The movie was bad. It was pretty much "I'm Will Smith, I can do whatever I want." It was not about getting someone who physically fit the part or who was the best actor for the part.



Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury makes some sense. The Nick Fury in the Ultimate universe is Black. I'd rather them butcher the Ultimate universe than the original. I just have a hard time seeing him (SLJ) as hardcore as Nick Fury can be. At least it's not David Hasselhoff.



Imagine the uproar if Blade was played by Collin Farrel? Or if Wolverine was played by Antonio Banderas?



At least Will Smith had the sense not to play Superman. Instead he made Han****. Same powers and "alien" among us approach but they made a new character with a different personality and story.



Other movies like The Last Airbender and Prince of Persia changing the main characters to white is wrong in my opinion. There are plenty of Asian and Middle-Eastern actors with the chops to play those parts.



Changing Spider-Man to black would not make any sense at all to me. It would be done just for the sake of doing it. There are plenty of white actors who physically fit the part and who have the acting ability.

[AntiChri5]

BardHarbinger wrote...


Other movies like The Last Airbender

I think we are in a whole 'nother realm when we start talking about child actors, for whom competence is such a rare trait.

[Loerwyn]

The thing with "big movies being dominated by Caucasians" is that in the Western world, no matter which way you look at it, the majority of people are Caucasian, except for the odd pocket here and there where communities of minorities congregate. I would honestly expect the Mexico/US border to have more Hispanic/Mexican people than, say, Oregon.

Having four white women in the lead roles isn't a false image at all, as I'm sure there are many groups of women who are all white, just as there are groups of characters who are all of a specific minority.

Things like Spider-Man would be just the same. Say everyone had a 5% chance of being a mutant, no matter their skin colour, you will end up with more white mutants simply because there are more white people in that area. I guess part of why the majority of characters on TV, film, etc are white is simply that - it's the most common situation.

Just to put some numbers behind it, the United Kingdom (where I live) is ~92% white as of the 2001 census.

[Funkcase]

Are racial tensions this bad *facepalm*