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[Bluko]

Has anyone else noticed this, but if you have Garrus in your party that he's usually the first one to go down in any fire fight? Does he have like less Health then other characters or something? I just don't get it.

(I usually have him at Rank 2 or 3 Turian Rebel, which is about what I put into most of my other characters Health Stat.)

Of course he was like that in ME1, but in that game it usually made sense cause Turian armor was usually shoddy and he only had Shield Boost to help out. But in ME2 you'd think with him basically being a Soldier type he'd be a little tougher.

Maybe it's just my luck or maybe his AI isn't as good. I have noticed what seems like some characters have better AI then others, with Zaeed possibly being the best. Garrus seems to forget what cover is... I mean just as example  I took Thane and Garrus with me on the last two parts of the Collector Base. Thane was brought down once, Garrus was brought down 5 times. Stop making me use MediGel Garrus!

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Garrus has kind of saved my ass alot. He is actually supposed to have more health because hes not as "squishy" as some of the other squadmates. You just need to give him cover so he doesn't rush into bullets like what a lot of the AIs do in this game already. Give him a sniper, i'd prefer the mantis, give him cover, make him loyal and you got yourself a kickass team....assuming you picked another badass teamate with you that is.

[SuperMedbh]

I know what you mean. I just want to hold him close and say "it will be all right".

[Doriath]

I actually look at him more of an infiltrator than a soldier. That's just me. If I recall correctly he rounds out at 250 health or something like that, so he's no powerhouse. He's a finesse character as much as Mordin, Miranda, etc. The difference is that unlike those two, his damage output comes more from weapons than powers.



I don't know if character AI differs among allies, but you generally micro manage all your allies movements on hardcore or higher difficulty. There are some parts that are exceptions, but if he's leaving cover too much, make him stay there. That's about the best I can say.

[Spartas Husky]

in ME1...Garrus, and tali were the only oens without any actual protection powers. in mE2 not really. He is just like any other. Mostly uses the mantis so.

[Pacifien]

Garrus's survivability seems to be inversely proportional to the difficulty setting of the game.

It's somewhat of a notorious feature about him.

Modifié par Pacifien, 02 juin 2010 - 06:17 .

[Collider]

I never had a problem with Garrus. Put him in a good spot and he's a pretty dang good squad mate.

[lovgreno]

Considering that he showers in bullets and eats rockets in his requitment mission he is suprisingly frail. But he is more of a ranged damage dealer than a tank, both in personality and fighting style, wich is how I like him actualy.

[Sand King]

 

[Bluko]

chrisnabal wrote...

I actually look at him more of an infiltrator than a soldier. That's just me. If I recall correctly he rounds out at 250 health or something like that, so he's no powerhouse. He's a finesse character as much as Mordin, Miranda, etc. The difference is that unlike those two, his damage output comes more from weapons than powers.

I don't know if character AI differs among allies, but you generally micro manage all your allies movements on hardcore or higher difficulty. There are some parts that are exceptions, but if he's leaving cover too much, make him stay there. That's about the best I can say.

Yeah I suppose he's more of Infiltrator being part Tech and part Sniper. I dunno I usually order my Squadmates into cover pretty often. I also try to place them in cover that keeps them protected, but allows them to still have LOS on the enemy.  Garrus just seems to like to get shot at or something. He also really likes to stand on top of crates. (I realize all squadmates will do that, but he loves to do it...)

Another instance of Garrus Fail, was in Thane's recruitment mission. I had killed all the Loki Mechs except one which was currently hacked, so I went to scrounge for ammo, etc. I figure Tali and Garrus can destroy one Loki Mech right? Wrong. Garrus gets downed by it just as I come back and as it falls down.



It just ruins Garrus badassery for me. Then again I refuse to use Unity unless I absolutely need to. My powers are usually on cool down when I need to use it anyways, plus I like the 100+ Credits even though it's a trivial amount of money.

Hmm guess it's just me though.

[Nightwriter]

Hmm. I've never noticed this.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I too have noticed that in my playthroughs Garrus always seemed to bite the bullet. Except on Hardcore and Insanity oddly enough. I usually replace him with Zaeed and Legion because of this.

[AntiChri5]

I recently started a Sentinel in ME 1 on insanity, going with Garrus and Wrex. My Senty has lots of sheilds and high level barrier and Wrex is, well, Wrex (immunity, Barrier, Sheild boost, passive regen and health boost) and i just feel so damn sorry for Garrus, he barely lasts three seconds.

[Nightwriter]

Really? I never noticed it near as much as, say, Sten always dying.

Do you guys have a normal squad you take with you everywhere? I like to mix up my squad, I rarely take the same people with me everywhere. Perhaps this is why I do not notice.

[Icinix]

It's his Lara Croft like waist with child bearing hips.



It's just not practical.

[Pacifien]

At first, I didn't notice Garrus being particularly more suicidal than any rest of my squad. But I had the opposite experience from Onyx Jaguar, as soon as I bumped the difficulty to Hardcore/Insanity, Garrus just would not stay alive. And then, oddly enough, Tali who always did poorly for me on Veteran and below suddenly became an unstoppable machine. So to speak.

It's probably more a skewed perception of what is actually happening as opposed to the AI actually getting worse/better. Also, certain mission levels are truly better designed than others. Every squadmate I have tried on Haestrom does extremely well. Every squadmate I've tried during Mordin's recruitment does poorly. I have no idea if it's the fault of the layout or if the developers wanted the player to alter their playing style in regards to the squadmates with different missions.

Directing them to cover is one way to go, but I found I could just as easily end the battle by myself, so couldn't bother wasting the medigel. Just wait until the battle is over and let the squadmates recover on their own. For the couple of battles where having the squadmates alive would be a great boon, it's not enough to direct them into cover once. You have to pretty much stay on top of it, because sometimes they decide to break cover on their own.

[RGFrog]

I take him along for YMIR missions where I can use his overload, concussive shot, and squad ap. Then i park him behind something where he doesn't even get to come out and shoot.

I use his powers and then park him again when he emerges after a wave.

The one or two shots he takes with the mantis just aren't worth having to unity him and re-park him every thirty seconds.

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

Garrus likes to stand on crates. "Get down from there", I tell him, but he doesn't listen!  Shortly after, someone kills him.

I thought that was Miranda.  If you position Garrus correctly and have him snipe then he doesn' go down.  People have a tendency to forget that on Hardcore and Insanity that you need to tell your squad where to go or they will wander around the battlefield like Niftu Cal.  Garrus will try to flank the enemy (and get shot down by the enemies flanking him).  Grunt just charges headlong into the fight (usually against the toughest enemy).  Samara likes to advance without orders.  Jack sometimes runs around the battefield trying to snipe people with her shotgun.  Jacob likes to run directly underneeth the praetorians every chance he gets (causing it to recharge it's stupid shields).  It seems that only Legion and Thane are smart enough to take cover rather than advancing (probably because they are primarily snipers).  Squadmates are meant to be micromanaged unless you are fighting a praetorian (which is all about running around something and letting them shoot it from a distance.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I always tell my squad to get behind cover, if i don't then they all just charge in like freakin james bond on crack and get themselves killed. I give garrus a mantis and he keeps stealing my freaking headshots! >=(



For my second choice i like bringing kasumi, her locust does alot of damage and her secret shadow strike thingy is a life savor.

[Atmosfear3]

Has Bioware ever put out a game with good AI? I'm not impressed from what I've played so far (ME1, ME2, DA:O).

[smecky-kitteh]

Pacifien wrote...

At first, I didn't notice Garrus being particularly more suicidal than any rest of my squad. But I had the opposite experience from Onyx Jaguar, as soon as I bumped the difficulty to Hardcore/Insanity, Garrus just would not stay alive. And then, oddly enough, Tali who always did poorly for me on Veteran and below suddenly became an unstoppable machine. So to speak.

It's probably more a skewed perception of what is actually happening as opposed to the AI actually getting worse/better. Also, certain mission levels are truly better designed than others. Every squadmate I have tried on Haestrom does extremely well. Every squadmate I've tried during Mordin's recruitment does poorly. I have no idea if it's the fault of the layout or if the developers wanted the player to alter their playing style in regards to the squadmates with different missions.

Directing them to cover is one way to go, but I found I could just as easily end the battle by myself, so couldn't bother wasting the medigel. Just wait until the battle is over and let the squadmates recover on their own. For the couple of battles where having the squadmates alive would be a great boon, it's not enough to direct them into cover once. You have to pretty much stay on top of it, because sometimes they decide to break cover on their own.

lol. I've noticed that aswell and her combat drone is really useful on insanity. 

garrus on the other hand has alway's done poorly. especially on tali's recruitment where you have to fight the colossus and endless wave of geth. I order him to cover and he decides to run laps around the battlefeild. WTF!

[Collider]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I always tell my squad to get behind cover, if i don't then they all just charge in like freakin james bond on crack and get themselves killed. I give garrus a mantis and he keeps stealing my freaking headshots! >=(

Pretty much. Get them in a good spot and you're good to go.