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[Elorii]

Sort of a spoiler question - out of curiosity, does Loghain ever reveal why he betrayed the king?  Dont need to know why, I will get there if it is answered later, rather I am just curious if this is ever answered. I would hate to play through this and never discover why he did it.

[Lord Gremlin]

Of course it's answered. And you can easily guess the answer.

[KnightofPhoenix]

It is rather obvious. But yes, it will be answered.

[Zjarcal]

Yes he does. In fact, depending on your actions later on, you can learn a LOT about the Loghain character. But it's best for you to find on your own!

[Giggles_Manically]

Loghain is one of the deepest charachters in Dragon Age, if you read the books and play the game you see an amazing charachter. Has elements of tradegy,evil, redemption, and betryal. One of the most similar parallels is Macbeth if you have ever read it.

[DWSmiley]

You absolutely have to spare Loghain at least once. It's fascinating to talk to him camp and also take him along for RtO.

[Elorii]

Like I said, I don't want to know now, but hoped the game would eventually reveal the 'why'. Thanks

[Xandurpein]

Loghain also is the best source of more personal information of Anora and her youth, if that interests you.

[nos_astra]

The game will reveal Loghain's reasons but it will be still up to you to believe him and agree with him.

Talking to him is interesting, though.

Modifié par klarabella, 02 juin 2010 - 05:37 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Also beware the Alistair fains that will arrive soon. They hate Loghain, so best just to ignore him. I responded to a thread where I said I liked Alistair, except for the whole ending, and have been called names.

[AnniLau]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Of course it's answered. And you can easily guess the answer.

He's a paranoid a s s hat?

(The obscenity filter is seriously overpowered. )

Modifié par AnniLau, 02 juin 2010 - 05:49 .

[Kenshen]

Xandurpein wrote...

Loghain also is the best source of more personal information of Anora and her youth, if that interests you.

Some of this stuff he says just gets me rolling.

[Giggles_Manically]

Like how she really set up you up in the rescue attempt?

[Astranagant]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Loghain is one of the deepest charachters in Dragon Age, if you read the books and play the game you see an amazing charachter. Has elements of tradegy,evil, redemption, and betryal. One of the most similar parallels is Macbeth if you have ever read it.

I saw a dick who's obsessed with sticking it to the Orlesians no matter the cost to Ferelden.

Modifié par Astranagant, 03 juin 2010 - 01:13 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Hmm so if you saw foreign troops rape your mother, by making you watch you would not hate them I take it.

[Tirigon]

If you are interested in Loghain you should read "The Stolen Throne".

It totally changed my view on him. To be honest, you should read Gaider´s Dragon Age books either way because they´re awesome.

[Costin_Razvan]

And how did the books change your views Tirigon? huh?



'Tis funny....I remember you being the most vocal member against him in the Loghain defense thread. As in incredibly vocal.

[Asdara]

I've not yet spared him... mostly because I've played all female wardens who can't resist the puppy eyed sweetie that is Alistair - but as a player I have also been curious. I don't think I have the mental fortitude to do it as a girl warden though - would have to run through as a male warden like my boyfriend has - he spared Loghain, but never bothered chatting him up in camp which infuriated me. (He's not much on plot so much as death to darkspawn)

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And how did the books change your views Tirigon? huh?

'Tis funny....I remember you being the most vocal member against him in the Loghain defense thread. As in incredibly vocal.

I still see his actions at  Ostagar and afterwards as treason.
But before I thought of him as a stupid ass.

Now I see him as a former hero who sacrificed everything - including his own wishes and dreams - for Ferelden and continues to do so because he believes it best. I do also think that his past sufferings may not have been good for his mental condition.

I wonder what would have become of Loghain if he could have married the woman he loved instead of sacrificing his love for the country.

Personally I think he could have become the perfect ruler instead of a traitor.

[Costin_Razvan]

You know....me and KoP basically shouted the same thing you just posted. Shrug, doesn't matter now either way, as long as you see him for who he is rather some preconceptions.

 I wonder what would have become of Loghain if he could have married the woman he loved instead of sacrificing his love for the country.

Personally I think he could have become the perfect ruler instead of a traitor.

Perhaps he should have let Maric step down and become King himself after Meghren was killed. Seems like something Maric would have done had Kathriel not been killed, well with her treachery still revealed that is.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 juin 2010 - 02:12 .

[CalJones]

Yes, read the Stolen Throne. Also, save the Return to Ostagar DLC until the end of the game and take Loghain with you (you can also take Wynne - they banter. But her comments made me hate her, so bear that in mind!)

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

You know....me and KoP basically shouted the same thing you just posted. Shrug, doesn't matter now either way, as long as you see him for who he is rather some preconceptions.

Not exactly. For example, you defended what he does to the elves on the basis that sacrificing them is reasonable. I do still disagree with that. Instead it makes me sad because Loghain´s use of the Night elves in the war against Orlais showed that he used NOT to be racist - rather, more tolerant towards elves than most other Fereldans.

[Costin_Razvan]

I don't think he is racist about it....if you confront him in camp about the slavers ( as in choose the response: If despise you, it's because you deserve, then call him a slaver ) then he will simply and bluntly tell you that the army you have now, could have been three times the size had the Tevinters not been stopped...and then he asks you: "What is better, for the elves to be sold into slavery? Or for them to remain in the Alienage with no hope?"

[nos_astra]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
I don't think he is racist about it....if you confront him in camp about the slavers ( as in choose the response: If despise you, it's because you deserve, then call him a slaver ) then he will simply and bluntly tell you that the army you have now, could have been three times the size had the Tevinters not been stopped...and then he asks you: "What is better, for the elves to be sold into slavery? Or for them to remain in the Alienage with no hope?"

Wow, I didn't think I could despise the guy even more but it's possible. <_<

What kind of army is he talking about? Mercenaries?

Modifié par klarabella, 03 juin 2010 - 10:45 .

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

"What is better, for the elves to be sold into slavery? Or for them to remain in the Alienage with no hope?"

I guess the Alienage....


But my point is: The "Stolen-Throne"-Loghain would have recruited elves as soldiers, thus improving their life conditions, increasing his army AND giving the elves a chance to earn their freedom at once. After all, the Night Elves were the most feared Fereldan unit in the War.....