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[TelexFerra]

According to Casey Hudson in an interview with OXM UK
http://www.oxm.co.uk...le.php?id=19778

OXM and Casey Hudson Interview:

It's a tricky balancing act. So, Mass Effect 2 was obviously much darker than Mass Effect 1, with not only the combined angst of your crew but the extra emphasis on romance and the emotional consequence of your suicide mission. With gamers getting older, do you think adult themes need to feature in RPGs more prominently?

Well, I think that as well is also a tricky balance. Ultimately our highest level goal is to make a game that's really fun, both to people who have and haven't played our games before. It's something we're always trying to figure out.

But Mass Effect 2 got such an incredibly positive response. I don't remember reading anyone saying that Mass Effect 2 got too heavy at any point-  gamers respond well when they're treated as adults. Doesn't "figuring out" come to an end here?

I think there's a difference between agame feeling grown-up and it having to go to a dark place, because you can go too far with the darkness and troubles in your subject matter. But there is a certain amount of fun that comes from the realism of a story, if it resembles a mature movie or TV show and resembles real adults interacting.

That's part of what we're always trying to pursue - how do we bring on the realism and the humanity of the experience? Because it makes you care more. Having a realistic reason to upgrading a weapon can put the entire game in the right context and make it seem more real.

The argument could be put forward that RPGs are all about escaping into their worlds. The more believable those worlds are, the better the RPG.

Right.

So should we be expecting something even more mature for Mass Effect 3?

[Laughs] Well, we're not talking too much about Mass Effect 3 right now, but the second story in a trilogy is where you traditionally end up in a fairly dark place. The third story is where you try and bring some fun and lightness back into it. One thing we tried to do with Mass Effect 2 was as well as bringing in the more mature stuff, we also tried to bring in a lot more humour so that we can go to these places without making it an overbearing experience. I think we have a lot more fun this time through characters like Joker and EDI. Mass Effect 3 is going to be the epic conclusion... so, a lot more darkness but also a lot more humour.

I thought the tone of ME2 was perfect. I mean, yes, ME3 will have a lighter ending with the reapers being destroyed and Shep emerging victorious, but does the tone need to be more like ME1. ME1 was a great game, but I never truly felt like the Galaxy was in peril from Saren. ME2 made me actually view the Collectors as ann extremely credible threat. (Though Saren is clearly the better villain )

Opinions?

Modifié par TelexFerra, 03 juin 2010 - 04:30 .

[W00DBar0n]

Maybe more joke and clowns running around to lighten the mood while you are under constant attack and fear that you are gonna fail?

[TelexFerra]

LOL



Jokes were used (by joker) quite nicely to take the edge off of some of the dramatic sequences, but I felt that those scenes seemed appropriate.

[The Enforcer OS]

The game should be ridiculously dark, w/ interjected comic relief as they've been doing. I really wouldn't change too much. There should be some pretty drastic emotional highs & lows for it being a conclusion.



Darkest Ending Ever: Joker is a sleeper Reaper Agent, assassinates Shepard. Bah!

[W00DBar0n]

The Enforcer OS wrote...

The game should be ridiculously dark, w/ interjected comic relief as they've been doing. I really wouldn't change too much. There should be some pretty drastic emotional highs & lows for it being a conclusion.

Darkest Ending Ever: Joker is a sleeper Reaper Agent, assassinates Shepard. Bah!

What he gonna do break his arm at shepard?

[Mister Mida]

I never understood why Bioware called ME2 Mass Effect's 'The Empire Strikes Back'. Sure it was darker than ME (1), but not that much darker. ME3 should be dark as hell. Why? Look at the last ten seconds of ME2's main plot. You'll see what I mean.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 02 juin 2010 - 07:02 .

[Jackal904]

I loved the humor in ME2 with all the easter eggs and funny bits of dialogue, and I think Casey meant there will be more of that in ME3. It's not like ME3 is going to become a circus or something.

Casey has said, before ME2 was released, that ME2 is the darkest act, and ME3 will be the 'heroic final push' act (those weren't his exact words but it's what he meant).

Mister Mida wrote...

I never understood why Bioware called
ME2 Mass Effect's 'The Empire Strikes Back'. Sure it was darker than ME
(1), but not that dark. ME3 should be dark as hell. Why? Look at the
last ten seconds of ME2 main plot. You'll see what I mean.

Ha yeah I don't see how anything could be darker than the reapers sweeping over the milky way, destroy everything in their path.

Modifié par Jackal904, 02 juin 2010 - 06:54 .

[smudboy]

Mister Mida wrote...

I never understood why Bioware called ME2 Mass Effect's 'The Empire Strikes Back'. Sure it was darker than ME (1), but not that dark. ME3 should be dark as hell. Why? Look at the last ten seconds of ME2 main plot. You'll see what I mean.

It was over before it started...

[snfonseka]

Why these guys call ME2 is "MUCH DARKER" story??????? Because Shepard can die at the end??? for me this is an exaggeration.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

I wanted it even darker!



ME2 was better because of it's grittyness! It did spam on the mercs and mechs a bit too much but apart from that it was fine.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I want it to be darker than the blackest night! But with humor from Joker and the crew to occasionally lighten the mood.

[Markinator_123]

I would say that Mass Effect 2 was a dark story. Lets see what could we consider dark.
1.Shepard dies at the beginning of the game
2.Shepard is resurrected but his main ally this time is a terrorist organization
3.Your squadmates consists of assassins, criminals, zealots, vigilantes, and ruthless mercenaries
4.Mature political concepts are throughly examined such as biological warfare, genocide, human experimentation, and vigilantism
5.Entire colonies of humans (including adults, teenagers, and children) are kidnapped and melted to death
6.Your suicide mission can end really poorly for you.
Of course, I found these aspects interesting concerning Mass Effect 2's story. However, Mass Effect 2 was about showing you about depressing the universe can be. Mass Effect 3 should focus on the epic conclusion and employ the dark elements only when necessary. A story should not be dark just for the sake of being dark, but for engaging the audience into the narrative.

[Mister Mida]

Markinator_123 wrote...
Mass Effect 3 should focus on the epic conclusion and employ the dark elements only when necessary. A story should not be dark just for the sake of being dark, but for engaging the audience into the narrative.

I can live with that, if Hudson is gonna do what you just said. If ME3 is going to be like Jackson's 'The Return of the King', I'll be one happy gamer. I always love a dark story.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 02 juin 2010 - 07:55 .

[Azint]

I don't like this. That's usually a bad sign for the final installment of a trilogy.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Seth Green never fails to make me laugh as Joker. So more humor along that line would be pretty cool, not holding my breath though.

[II BOMBSCARE II]

They have got to make it darker surely as its going to be the finale of the series, throw in dilema's like the 1st mass effect where you have to make a choice to who you save (ashley or kaiden) but do it for multiple scenarios

[Azint]

Tighue wrote...

Azint wrote...

I don't like this. That's usually a bad sign for the final installment of a trilogy.

Ewoks!

Oh god, imagine if the Reapers were thwarted by the volus.

[kraidy1117]

The final part of the trilogy is always the lightest with the middle darker, if you where expecting ME3 to be darker then you clearly don't follow other trilogy's.

[kraidy1117]

II BOMBSCARE II wrote...

They have got to make it darker surely as its going to be the finale of the series, throw in dilema's like the 1st mass effect where you have to make a choice to who you save (ashley or kaiden) but do it for multiple scenarios

Return of the Jedi and Return of the King where lighter then ESB and Two Towers. ME3 will be lighter because it's the ending to the trilogy.

[theriddlen]

ME1 was a great game, but I never truly felt like the Galaxy was in peril from Saren. ME2 made me actually view the Collectors as ann extremely credible threat

In ME1 since the beginning you know about your true enemy - the Reapers, not Saren. ME1 is most epic game i ever played, especially the ending is a wonderful experience - some cinematic moments from the battle of citadel made me feel something in my stomach i can't even describe, but i never felt it when i played game or watched a movie.
ME2 was great game, but i never thought of collectors as real threat, and only the omega4 relay cinematic was well made, but the part that takes place inside the collector base was just a obstacle race, where i tried to make everything as fast as i can just to embarass the collectors - for me, they are petty vilians thinking they are big scary badasses, that started fight with someone thousand times better (Shep), and my goal was to punish them for their stupidity, and make them see how insulting me ends.

Modifié par theriddlen, 02 juin 2010 - 08:17 .

[spacehamsterZH]

kraidy1117 wrote...
if you where expecting ME3 to be darker then you clearly don't follow other trilogy's.

Yeah, because Return of the King is such a cheer-fest.

Anyway, I don't see how what Casey's saying here really implies it's going to be noticeably more lighthearted. I wouldn't be surprised if the general tone was a bit more like ME1 again, I think much of the darker feel of ME2 came from the fact that it's set in the Terminus systems, and I expect we'll be seeing other parts of the galaxy again in ME3. It also generally works well if the third part of a trilogy has kind of a "going home" feel to it where the story returns to where it started in terms of tone and location, so I think there's a good chance of something like that happening.

[kraidy1117]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
if you where expecting ME3 to be darker then you clearly don't follow other trilogy's.

Yeah, because Return of the King is such a cheer-fest.

Anyway, I don't see how what Casey's saying here really implies it's going to be noticeably more lighthearted. I wouldn't be surprised if the general tone was a bit more like ME1 again, I think much of the darker feel of ME2 came from the fact that it's set in the Terminus systems, and I expect we'll be seeing other parts of the galaxy again in ME3. It also generally works well if the third part of a trilogy has kind of a "going home" feel to it where the story returns to where it started in terms of tone and location, so I think there's a good chance of something like that happening.

RotK was lighter then Two Towers, or did you and me read the same book or watch the same movie? The last part of the trilogy is always lighter then the second part.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 02 juin 2010 - 08:21 .

[STG]

TelexFerra wrote...

I thought the tone of ME2 was perfect. I mean, yes, ME3 will have a lighter ending with the reapers being destroyed and Shep emerging victorious, but does the tone need to be more like ME1. ME1 was a great game, but I never truly felt like the Galaxy was in peril from Saren. ME2 made me actually view the Collectors as ann extremely credible threat. (Though Saren is clearly the better villain )

In my opinion it was the other way around actually. Saren as a villain was great and looming. Hell even Benezia was better as a villain than collectors were. Seeing Sovereign hovering over Eden Prime and speaking to it on Virmire was just icing on the cake.

On the other hand collectors never did much for me. Maybe it has something to do with Harbinger being more annoying and whiny than actually threatening.

Anyway ME wasn't that dark and it still delivered one hell of a story. ME2 was darker and it's story can't compare with the first one (Being second in the trilogy usually does that). So yeah, I don't see why ME3 should suddenly become this Silent HIll like apocalipse of death and fire.