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[Mister Mida]

Revan312 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Agree, the tone of ME2 wasnt the problem!

The lack of depth was the problem!

I didnt find ME2 all that darker then ME1 either to be honest.
Citidel was expected to be bright and shiny but the bars were much more mood orientated in 1 and 2.

hmmm, not sure I agree ME2 had a darker feel to it now I think about it.
Atmosphere wise it was about what I expected from reading the two books and playing the first game

But cursing = darker to the devs:P.  Oh and you had a few execution scenes thrown in and a mutant human fetus terminator hybrid monster reaper that puked lasers...  With that in mind ME2 is waaaaay darker

In all seriousness though I found the talks with Sovereign and Saren on Virmire to be the most "realisticlly" dark moments in either game.  Most gruesome was the face melting scene on the collector base, but gore and atmosphere are seperate in my mind...

I thought the cursing was out of place. There were no '****s' or '****s' in ME (1)'s dialogue so I can't understand why ME2 needed that nonsense.

[Ecael]

Mister Mida wrote...

I thought the cursing was out of place. There were no '****s' or '****s' in ME (1)'s dialogue so I can't understand why ME2 needed that nonsense.

As long as Shepard doesn't swear like a sailor, I don't mind if a few other characters do.

[TelexFerra]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

TelexFerra wrote...

How was the treatment of women on Omega sexist?

Can't be bothered to find the thread but obviously along the lines of them being treated as sex objects etc. 

I don't think so at all. Yes, there were female dancers in the club, but Omega was also lead by a female. IMHO, I think that's what a slum station like Omega would be like. There weren't scenes of women being subjected to anything abnormal. Almost all of the major characters in the Omega missions ARE female. Aria, Samara, Morinth.

The game doesn't need to be politically correct, and it certainly did not venture anywhere near the realm of sexism.

[Mister Mida]

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

I thought the cursing was out of place. There were no '****s' or '****s' in ME (1)'s dialogue so I can't understand why ME2 needed that nonsense.

As long as Shepard doesn't swear like a sailor, I don't mind if a few other characters do.

Well, there are times when he says 'bull****'

[Village_Idiot]

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

I thought the cursing was out of place. There were no '****s' or '****s' in ME (1)'s dialogue so I can't understand why ME2 needed that nonsense.

As long as Shepard doesn't swear like a sailor, I don't mind if a few other characters do.

Agreed. I actually felt that ME2 handled potty mouthism in a very realistic and mature manner. Bad language was used at appropriate times(such as the point where Sidonis realises he's marked for death), or because ample profanity was suited to the character's personality, like Jack. I never felt that it was being overused, or used simply to make the game more "dark and edgy".

[Ecael]

Mister Mida wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

I thought the cursing was out of place. There were no '****s' or '****s' in ME (1)'s dialogue so I can't understand why ME2 needed that nonsense.

As long as Shepard doesn't swear like a sailor, I don't mind if a few other characters do.

Well, there are times when he says 'bull****'

True, but they held back on the amount.

The amount of gory violence in the game is also very little - you can't shoot enemies' body parts off unless it's mechs, and the blood resulting from being hit repeatedly by futuristic mass accelerators seems to be minimal.

[ObserverStatus]

TelexFerra wrote...

How was the treatment of women on Omega sexist?

Probably something about their being strippers in afterlife. It wasn't the most sexist thing I'd ever seen though, this is by far more sexist than anything in mass effect.

Modifié par bobobo878, 10 juin 2010 - 12:28 .

[luk3us]

ME2 was dark? Really?

[Splinter Cell 108]

ME3 is going to be darker? Well I hope it gets some of ME1 back into it. Like the music, ME2's music was great and it fit the atmosphere perfectly but I liked ME1's music more and I'd prefer if something similar would appear in ME3. I hope ME3 has a "you screwed up" ending where the Reapers win and everything goes wrong plus it should have a cutscene of what happens after they beat the crap out of everyone. However this ending shouldn't be too easy to get or to difficult to get otherwise nobody's going to get it or everyone's going to be mad and get it. I'd actually like to have done something wrong and screwed the entire galaxy because of that.

[TelexFerra]

Yea, it should be a lot harder to 'win' ME3. The death scene in ME2 is tantamount to an Easter Egg since you actually need to try to lose the Collector Base. I doubt anyone has done it without trying.

[kraidy1117]

luk3us wrote...

ME2 was dark? Really?

It was darker then mE and was Biowares darkest game IMHO.

[kraidy1117]

Mister Mida wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Agree, the tone of ME2 wasnt the problem!

The lack of depth was the problem!

I didnt find ME2 all that darker then ME1 either to be honest.
Citidel was expected to be bright and shiny but the bars were much more mood orientated in 1 and 2.

hmmm, not sure I agree ME2 had a darker feel to it now I think about it.
Atmosphere wise it was about what I expected from reading the two books and playing the first game

But cursing = darker to the devs:P.  Oh and you had a few execution scenes thrown in and a mutant human fetus terminator hybrid monster reaper that puked lasers...  With that in mind ME2 is waaaaay darker

In all seriousness though I found the talks with Sovereign and Saren on Virmire to be the most "realisticlly" dark moments in either game.  Most gruesome was the face melting scene on the collector base, but gore and atmosphere are seperate in my mind...

I thought the cursing was out of place. There were no '****s' or '****s' in ME (1)'s dialogue so I can't understand why ME2 needed that nonsense.

You do know that it was swearung that made Jack very relistic? Who cares if they swore, there was not even that much swearing to begin with. Only a few characters swore alot and it made sence for the characters. It just was not thrown in there so ME2 could have swearing.

[SithLordExarKun]

luk3us wrote...

ME2 was dark? Really?

Yeah... Uh you know, getting mutilated at the start of the game, getting brought back to life but the very people you tried to destroy in the first game, humans dissapearing and the council won't help you.. the dark lightings in most of the design... failing to save half the colony on horizon...

ME1 felt too much like the typical save the day story, ME2 to me felt alot more personal with the squadmate stories.

[Aggie Punbot]

Well, Shepard did also use the word pri*k once. I agree that the amount of swearing added made perfect sense in their respective contexts, though. If you're witnessing the entire ship being abducted by Collectors, you're not likely going to be saying, 'Oh, poo! Poo! Poo! Poo!'

SithLordExarKun wrote...

luk3us wrote...

ME2
was dark? Really?

Yeah... Uh you know, getting mutilated at
the start of the game, getting brought back to life but the very people
you tried to destroy in the first game, humans dissapearing and the
council won't help you.. the dark lightings in most of the design...
failing to save half the colony on horizon...

Don't forget
being forced to watch at least one person being melted into paste. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 10 juin 2010 - 02:49 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Oh yeah that as well and the creepy collector ship mission.

[Skilled Seeker]

TelexFerra wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

TelexFerra wrote...

How was the treatment of women on Omega sexist?

Can't be bothered to find the thread but obviously along the lines of them being treated as sex objects etc. 

I don't think so at all. Yes, there were female dancers in the club, but Omega was also lead by a female. IMHO, I think that's what a slum station like Omega would be like. There weren't scenes of women being subjected to anything abnormal. Almost all of the major characters in the Omega missions ARE female. Aria, Samara, Morinth.

The game doesn't need to be politically correct, and it certainly did not venture anywhere near the realm of sexism.

I didn't say I agree I am attacking the people that made threads like that since it could be why ME3 will be more 'light hearted'.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 10 juin 2010 - 11:22 .

[Mister Mida]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Agree, the tone of ME2 wasnt the problem!

The lack of depth was the problem!

I didnt find ME2 all that darker then ME1 either to be honest.
Citidel was expected to be bright and shiny but the bars were much more mood orientated in 1 and 2.

hmmm, not sure I agree ME2 had a darker feel to it now I think about it.
Atmosphere wise it was about what I expected from reading the two books and playing the first game

But cursing = darker to the devs:P.  Oh and you had a few execution scenes thrown in and a mutant human fetus terminator hybrid monster reaper that puked lasers...  With that in mind ME2 is waaaaay darker

In all seriousness though I found the talks with Sovereign and Saren on Virmire to be the most "realisticlly" dark moments in either game.  Most gruesome was the face melting scene on the collector base, but gore and atmosphere are seperate in my mind...

I thought the cursing was out of place. There were no '****s' or '****s' in ME (1)'s dialogue so I can't understand why ME2 needed that nonsense.

You do know that it was swearung that made Jack very relistic? Who cares if they swore, there was not even that much swearing to begin with. Only a few characters swore alot and it made sence for the characters. It just was not thrown in there so ME2 could have swearing.

Sure, it worked with Jack. But with the rest I felt it was out of place.

[Aggie Punbot]

I don't think the swearing was out of place at all. Can you give some specific examples?

[InvaderErl]

I actually thought they were fairly restrained with the cursing now that they decided to do it.



It felt sort of artificial in the first one how NOBODY cursed even though we had an M rating and they went so far as to have ass/son of a **** but that was it.

[Aggie Punbot]

The swearing seems to be done by characters that would plausibly do it or have reason to do so (Jack, that merc that thinks he's dying during Grunt's recruitment mission, Joker during the collector attack, Shepard when getting angry at people, etc.). I'm at a loss as to where people think it's out of place.

[bigbade]

The swearing was fine in all honesty, the amount of swearing you see while playing is pretty similar to how often you hear it outside as well. On top of that some characters most definitely needed them to shape who they are and what they're like, for example; I didn't like how much Jack swore (and don't like Jack in general, got her swarmed during the mission laterrrrr) but it made perfect sense to have her be saying it so much. Same goes with mercs and renegade shep, you can't be an ass  if you talk like you're auditioning for Rudy. 

Modifié par bigbade, 11 juin 2010 - 03:32 .

[kraidy1117]

Mister Mida wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Agree, the tone of ME2 wasnt the problem!

The lack of depth was the problem!

I didnt find ME2 all that darker then ME1 either to be honest.
Citidel was expected to be bright and shiny but the bars were much more mood orientated in 1 and 2.

hmmm, not sure I agree ME2 had a darker feel to it now I think about it.
Atmosphere wise it was about what I expected from reading the two books and playing the first game

But cursing = darker to the devs:P.  Oh and you had a few execution scenes thrown in and a mutant human fetus terminator hybrid monster reaper that puked lasers...  With that in mind ME2 is waaaaay darker

In all seriousness though I found the talks with Sovereign and Saren on Virmire to be the most "realisticlly" dark moments in either game.  Most gruesome was the face melting scene on the collector base, but gore and atmosphere are seperate in my mind...

I thought the cursing was out of place. There were no '****s' or '****s' in ME (1)'s dialogue so I can't understand why ME2 needed that nonsense.

You do know that it was swearung that made Jack very relistic? Who cares if they swore, there was not even that much swearing to begin with. Only a few characters swore alot and it made sence for the characters. It just was not thrown in there so ME2 could have swearing.

Sure, it worked with Jack. But with the rest I felt it was out of place.

It was not out of place. It made sence for joker to swear, the parts where Shepard swears makes sence because he is pissed off. Swearing was not thrown around like you make it sound to be. It's a mature game and it's going to have swearing, and like it or not swearing makes it more relistic.

[The BS Police]

Mass Effect 3: Return of the Ewoks.

[ObserverStatus]

Personally I didn't find ME2 darker than ME1. In ME2 it was entirely possible to save everyone. None of ME2's shocks quite lived up to the man getting impaled by the Rachni tentacle on Noveria. The people getting liquefied by collectors was rather disgusting, but not much more so than ME1's dragon teeth.

[kraidy1117]

bobobo878 wrote...

Personally I didn't find ME2 darker than ME1. In ME2 it was entirely possible to save everyone. None of ME2's shocks quite lived up to the man getting impaled by the Rachni tentacle on Noveria. The people getting liquefied by collectors was rather disgusting, but not much more so than ME1's dragon teeth.

A group of mysterous bug-like aliens are kidnapping humans for the Reapers for some dark reason, not knowing what the hell is going on and being told you might die, then finding out what the hell is going was was much darker then ME. ME had a very positive ending, ME2 did not, even if you do manage to get everyone out alive, it is still not a posititve ending for many reasons. The game was darker, I consider ME2 light, ME2 dark and ME3 will be a hybrid.

The man getting impaled was not a shock at all either.  However thats me, when it comes to a feeling like this, there is no right or wrong. Hell I did't even find DAO that dark at all, in contrast I found BG2 and KOTOR more darker then DAO, with ME2 being up with BG2 in that department.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 11 juin 2010 - 03:46 .