Ecael wrote...
Damned hero, or Goddamned hero?Khayness wrote...
I stand behind you and your report Ecael. You are a damned hero in my books.
Making a valid point and delivering it with sarcasm is an instant win in my eyes.
LPPrince wrote...
Fun is subjective, so that's up to each individual person, really.
And you'd find some rather odd people out there with their definitions of fun(One friend of mine saying he had more fun with Batman: Dark Tomorrow than GTA IV)
Modifié par Sago_mulch, 05 juin 2010 - 12:07 .
Keyword was "most"Ecael wrote...
The game critics were the ones who complained about the inventory, Mako and elevators. The inventory was replaced with an upgrade system, the Mako with the Hammerhead, and the elevators with stairs and detailed loading screens (although the Citadel Rapid Transit loading screen in Mass Effect 1 looked quite cool).Archereon wrote...
You know, my problem with Mass Effect 2 is that it seems to have done away with RPG elements rather than refining them.
Fandom complains about the inventory, largely on the basis that it's annoying to manage and a bit too large?
-Bioware removes the inventory completely, from Shepard AND squaddies.
Fandom complains about the mako?
-Bioware removes mako, replacing it with a gimmicky hovertank...So BioWare shouldn't listen to you too because you said that they should listen to you when you say that they shouldn't listen to you because they listen too much?Bioware should learn to hardly listen to there fan base...most just **** for no reason
PARADOX!
Well, err... it's mostly a paradox then.ShamieGTX wrote...
Keyword was "most"Ecael wrote...
The game critics were the ones who complained about the inventory, Mako and elevators. The inventory was replaced with an upgrade system, the Mako with the Hammerhead, and the elevators with stairs and detailed loading screens (although the Citadel Rapid Transit loading screen in Mass Effect 1 looked quite cool).Archereon wrote...
You know, my problem with Mass Effect 2 is that it seems to have done away with RPG elements rather than refining them.
Fandom complains about the inventory, largely on the basis that it's annoying to manage and a bit too large?
-Bioware removes the inventory completely, from Shepard AND squaddies.
Fandom complains about the mako?
-Bioware removes mako, replacing it with a gimmicky hovertank...So BioWare shouldn't listen to you too because you said that they should listen to you when you say that they shouldn't listen to you because they listen too much?Bioware should learn to hardly listen to there fan base...most just **** for no reason
PARADOX!
Bluko wrote...
Well I never played Pokemon as kid cause I never had a Gameboy...
(I wasted way too much of my allowance on those stupid cards to cement my hatred of Pokecrack forever. I did however get a N64 as a child so I can't complain too much.)
That said Pokemon is more exemplar of the Japanese RPG. Essentially JRPG have lots of weird/unique characters, and tons of items along with all sorts of nifty stats to track. And most JRPGs are turn based... Bioware on the other hand is more of a Western RPG if you will. WRPGs are more about freedom of choice and tend to have preference to real time combat. Although there still items, stats, levels, etc. The most ideal example of WRPGs I can think of is probably the Elder Scrolls series. Personally my favorite/ideal RPG is the Baldur's Gate series.
WRPGs have some kind of central story, but along the way you are faced with many decisions to essentially be good or evil. JRPGs on the other hand tend to have a strong central plot, but don't really present you with many choices other then what to level up. In WRPGs your choices ultimately don't change the story, but do change whether you end up the Hero or the new Villian.
Bioware's games are somewhat unique in that characters are very important (Like most JRPGs), but your character is generally faced with many choices. Bioware's success is largely based on it's blend of different game elements, which in the end makes their games feel more fresh and fun.
Personally I find turn-based combat silly. I don't see how combat can be exciting or fun if you can sit around picking your nose while deciding what attack to use. I love how monsters will just sit there and wait it's turn to attack. Having "turns" to me is something more suited to strategy games. Things with roots in games like Chess. Simply put real time combat is the way to go, and you still can technically have "turns" in a real time combat system anyways.
Do you really want to see this...
Shepard has encountered.... THRESHER MAW
Shepard: "Garrus I choose you!"
GARRUS>Sniper Shot
THRESHER MAW -10 HP!
Garrus: "Scratch one!"
SHEPARD>Rocket Attack
THRESHER MAW -20 HP!
Shepard: "I should go."
THRESHER MAW>Acid Spit
GARRUS -500 HP!
SHEPARD -500 HP!
Game Over
This may well and all be fun for some, but for me not so much. Of course said battle could have been won had I only grinded XP from Vorcha so that Garrus was Level 85.
Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are not meant to be classic RPGs. The point of the Mass Effect games is to cross genres being a hybrid of Shooter and RPG. Core gameplay wise the Mass Effect games are Third Person Shooters. There's just no escaping this. Combat is to be resolved primarily by your shooting skills. However you do have some RPG elements in the forms of Levels and Abilities. Basically the games are meant to be Shooters with RPG elements. They are not however meant to RPGs with Shooter elements. The idea is you have the fun shooting mechanics combined with some tactical RPG elements to add depth.
It's hard to classify what Mass Effect truly is, because in many ways it's almost a new genre of game. Making ME3 into a pure Shooter would just being dumbing the game down. While making ME3 into a pure RPG would just make it needlessly complicated and dull. The key to success lies in finding the right balance of Shooter stuff and RPG stuff. Which is hopefully what Mass Effect 3 will accomplish.
That said I think the general consensus is ME2 is a bit too much Shooter, and not enough RPG.
However what RPG elements are needed to make Mass Effect 3 better needs to be carefully examined within the context of what the Mass Effect games are trying to achieve. For example making weapon effectiveness entirely stat based like most RPGs is probably not the way to go.
Modifié par Niddy', 05 juin 2010 - 03:16 .
Yeah!....Girls can't lose can't they?Ecael wrote...
Well, err... it's mostly a paradox then.ShamieGTX wrote...
Keyword was "most"Ecael wrote...
The game critics were the ones who complained about the inventory, Mako and elevators. The inventory was replaced with an upgrade system, the Mako with the Hammerhead, and the elevators with stairs and detailed loading screens (although the Citadel Rapid Transit loading screen in Mass Effect 1 looked quite cool).Archereon wrote...
You know, my problem with Mass Effect 2 is that it seems to have done away with RPG elements rather than refining them.
Fandom complains about the inventory, largely on the basis that it's annoying to manage and a bit too large?
-Bioware removes the inventory completely, from Shepard AND squaddies.
Fandom complains about the mako?
-Bioware removes mako, replacing it with a gimmicky hovertank...So BioWare shouldn't listen to you too because you said that they should listen to you when you say that they shouldn't listen to you because they listen too much?Bioware should learn to hardly listen to there fan base...most just **** for no reason
PARADOX!
:innocent:
Behindyounow wrote...
The pokemon games have a plot? Since when?
Khayness wrote...
Behindyounow wrote...
The pokemon games have a plot? Since when?
The Indigo Plateu is as scary as Mordor itself.
Helena Tylena wrote...
Khayness wrote...
Behindyounow wrote...
The pokemon games have a plot? Since when?
The Indigo Plateu is as scary as Mordor itself.
One does not simply walk into the Indigo Plateau...
Pokémon is serious business.Sago_mulch wrote...
THIS ARGUMENT IS WITTY, COOL, HIP, AWESOME AND TOTALLY SERIOUS.
I REALLY LIKE ECAEL'S SUGGESTION, I REMEMBER PLAYING POKEMONS WHEN I WAS A KID. BEST GAME EVER.
Ecael wrote...
Pokémon is serious business.Sago_mulch wrote...
THIS ARGUMENT IS WITTY, COOL, HIP, AWESOME AND TOTALLY SERIOUS.
I REALLY LIKE ECAEL'S SUGGESTION, I REMEMBER PLAYING POKEMONS WHEN I WAS A KID. BEST GAME EVER.
Helena Tylena wrote...
Ecael wrote...
Pokémon is serious business.Sago_mulch wrote...
THIS ARGUMENT IS WITTY, COOL, HIP, AWESOME AND TOTALLY SERIOUS.
I REALLY LIKE ECAEL'S SUGGESTION, I REMEMBER PLAYING POKEMONS WHEN I WAS A KID. BEST GAME EVER.
Ofcourse it is! Didn't you see his post? Full caps means serious business!
People complained about to much inventory, to much inventory management, so BW reduced to to nearly nothing. This was a bit extreme. Maybe not as many choices, but more catagories (mods, helmets, like Kotor/Kotor2).
I was fine with it. The only thing I would add to Strategy is the ability to control the other toons more directly like DAO.
Man I had difficulty with the new system. I want Kotor back, manipulation of stats, skills and powers. And the new point system made me cry because I always ended up with 1 or 2 points unspent because I didnt have enough points (I didnt so the morinth thing because I couldnt stand killing Samara).
More enemies good.
I liked the Mako and hate the Hammerhead. I want my Mako back. Add some new stuff, whatever, it is definately a better vehicle than the paper plane hovercraft. Space combat you have to be careful with. Alot of games have tried it, very few have succeeded. the last one I found was back in the Colony Wars games for the old PS. 
More, How much more, I couldnt tell ya. Oblivion is to much and ME2 is not enough, there has to be a happy medium tho. Actually youre sugestions sound great, just so long as its not take a step get attacked take a step get attacked like in JRPGs(I hate that).
As far as I am concerned, you can take em or leave em. Hacking and Circuits were a fine replacement to having to take certain squad members in your group to make sure you can get into a box or ast a door(Garrus was the man in the first game). I never gambled, not even in Kotor. In Kotor 2 I did it just long enough to get the girl back from the gambler. 
Modifié par ChanceRandom, 05 juin 2010 - 11:51 .
Modifié par ShamieGTX, 06 juin 2010 - 12:21 .
ShamieGTX wrote...
I simply cannot take you seriously if you talk about pokemon... specially something like this....
ShamieGTX wrote...
more like mind- fuuu-...
Did the last few pictures throw you off?Whatever Works wrote...
This thread is so serious I can't stand it.
This thread reminds me of somethings that I have but I can't quite put my finger on it.Whatever Works wrote...
This thread is so serious I can't stand it.
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