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[RyuGuitarFreak]

Ecael wrote...

Highdragonslayer wrote...

Ecael wrote...

You know, I bet you could trick some people into thinking that those SC II pictures are screenshots of a Mass Effect 4 RTS...

Zerg Infestor: I AM ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

Quick, someone with the SC2 Galaxy Editor make a Mass Effect RPG map.

That would be an instant purchase of SC2 for me.

[Ecael]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Highdragonslayer wrote...

Ecael wrote...

You know, I bet you could trick some people into thinking that those SC II pictures are screenshots of a Mass Effect 4 RTS...

Zerg Infestor: I AM ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

Quick, someone with the SC2 Galaxy Editor make a Mass Effect RPG map.

That would be an instant purchase of SC2 for me.

Looking at some of the concept map videos already posted on YouTube, I'd say just about every kind of mini-game/genre is possible with the level editor.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Ecael wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Highdragonslayer wrote...

Ecael wrote...

You know, I bet you could trick some people into thinking that those SC II pictures are screenshots of a Mass Effect 4 RTS...

Zerg Infestor: I AM ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

Quick, someone with the SC2 Galaxy Editor make a Mass Effect RPG map.

That would be an instant purchase of SC2 for me.

Looking at some of the concept map videos already posted on YouTube, I'd say just about every kind of mini-game/genre is possible with the level editor.

Oh yeah, I watched a video of the race game someone did and I loled that the guy made that in a day. We won't have a proper campaign but a map/mod of a RTS/RPG hybrid of ME in SC2 engine...The possibilities and the fun this could have for ME fans in multiplayer makes me smile

[Fiery Phoenix]

I just took the time and read through the original post(s) and I have to say you Ecael are a genius. Very good points and I seriously hope the developers do read what you mentioned.

[Ecael]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I just took the time and read through the original post(s) and I have to say you Ecael are a genius. Very good points and I seriously hope the developers do read what you mentioned.

Thank you.



I didn't make this thread just for the purpose of satire. That's why I put all the summaries in the second post.

http://social.biowar...91290/1#2791295

[CroGamer002]

Pokemon's in known all over the world do to popular cartoon.

Mass Effect doesn't have that advantage so is less known.

[Ecael]

Mesina2 wrote...

Pokemon's in known all over the world do to popular cartoon.
Mass Effect doesn't have that advantage so is less known.

It's well-known more because it's made by Nintendo, so it's up there in popularity with Mario (in the hundreds of millions). The anime/cartoon, movies and merchandise are just the result of its success.

It's essentially a "gateway" drug RPG for children.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Ah yes, Pokemon plot... the classic midwestern tale of one boy trying to prove himself better than another boy... we have dismissed that as plot.

Seriously. Pokemon has no plot. It's the most basic kind of story ever. Sure, it may have great RPG elements, but I always felt it was a little too expansive, and I've never actually been able to play any of the games for more than half an hour. Of course, that's possibly because it's on my brother's gameboy, but I just have no motivation to keep playing. I don't feel connected to the character, like I do to Shepard.



For once, Ecael, I think I have to agree with LorDC... you're just being nostalgic now.

But... the menu/bonuses/item variety RPG elements would be nice to have again.

[Schneidend]

Pokemon is a far more traditional RPG. Mass Effect is an action-RPG. These are different design philosophies. Mass Effect is already fine how it is. It doesn't need to learn from any games but its own mistakes.

[Ecael]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

Ah yes, Pokemon plot... the classic midwestern tale of one boy trying to prove himself better than another boy... we have dismissed that as plot.
Seriously. Pokemon has no plot. It's the most basic kind of story ever. Sure, it may have great RPG elements, but I always felt it was a little too expansive, and I've never actually been able to play any of the games for more than half an hour. Of course, that's possibly because it's on my brother's gameboy, but I just have no motivation to keep playing. I don't feel connected to the character, like I do to Shepard.

For once, Ecael, I think I have to agree with LorDC... you're just being nostalgic now.
But... the menu/bonuses/item variety RPG elements would be nice to have again.

"...Waxin' goddamn nostalgic!"

Pokémon may have a very simplistic storyline, but hey - at least there's no plot holes to worry about then.

[Eternal Density]

If only we could have the RPG elements of Pokémon in the shiny, explodey, character-development-laden coating of Mass Effect...

it would only add how many years to development time?

Nice to daydream about.

[Onyx Jaguar]

They should just outsource development of a handheld spinoff to Konami that would pretty much be Mass Effect: Suikoden, that way they could have the RPG elements of Pokemon and the character interaction of ME since you wouldn't have to worry about VA. Or they should just steal their design docs and do it themselves.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Ecael, nice list, very good.. tell you what though: I would like to see you argue the opposite now to see what results you come up with.

I don't doubt your analysis, would just like to see what you come up with if you were arguing for ME. (Popper calls it falsification)

[harazal]

This is, well, probably the worst stretch i've ever seen.



If you're going to compare ME2 it to other RPGs based on what its not, you're on thin ice. ME2 isn't an RPG if you compare it to the FF franchise. FF isn't an rpg if you compare it to Zelda. Zelda isn't an RPG if you compare it to Morrowind. Morrowind isn't and rpg if you compare it to baldurs gate, and none of them are rpg's if you compare them to d&d



its all perspective, but for gods sake, leave pokemon out of it. thats childish in the extreme.

[Mentatzoee]

I'd never EVER relate turn-based stuff to actual RPGs.

Let me explain myself before you all let the dogs out:
I am a great ol'school dices-n-table-n-paper-pencil-n-so roleplaying fan (There's no need to start saying this or that or the other game, but you know), but I do understand turns happen because of the limitations of the way of playing, since we have to roll the dices to make everything more reasonable and to add the degree of randomness the roleplayed situations would have if they were actually happening. And, of course, because ALL the players have to roll the dices.
(And I have to admit it's really fun to do all the dice-rolls and laughs derived from that, when you feel the tension to get that 10, 20, 1 -who knows- or whatever)

What's the need to add turns when a machine is making all the calculations in real time AND you're the only actual player?
I mean... Would you add turns to BG? C'mon.
IMHO, being able to pause the game is to this kind of game what turns are to ye olde (A)D&D.
Wanting to add turns to a game like ME looks to me like a bit of a jRPG fetish.


Of course, I don't mean ME is perfect in RP terms. It lacks some stuff (I wouldn't say a lot either, maybe I'm easier to make happy than most), especially in all the inventory and item system.

But this is my point, when we start adding pauses, numbers and rules beyond what's necessary, inmersion and fun levels start going down, and instead of actually feeling an alien story in our skin, being able to make it ours and the like we're just playing strategy. (Which on the other hand isn't a bad thing, but it's not RP)

Modifié par Mentatzoee, 15 juin 2010 - 10:37 .

[CroGamer002]

Ecael wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Pokemon's in known all over the world do to popular cartoon.
Mass Effect doesn't have that advantage so is less known.

It's well-known more because it's made by Nintendo, so it's up there in popularity with Mario (in the hundreds of millions). The anime/cartoon, movies and merchandise are just the result of its success.

It's essentially a "gateway" drug RPG for children.

Well I didn't heard for Nintendo until Pokemons.
Still Pokemons have big advantage over Mass Effect.
Cartoon and Nintendo.

[Onyx Jaguar]

You talking about the TV show?

EDIT:  Reminds me of the old Super Mario Bros. cartoon, that was a hoot

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 18 juin 2010 - 11:18 .

[CroGamer002]

Ecael wrote...

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

Ah yes, Pokemon plot... the classic midwestern tale of one boy trying to prove himself better than another boy... we have dismissed that as plot.
Seriously. Pokemon has no plot. It's the most basic kind of story ever. Sure, it may have great RPG elements, but I always felt it was a little too expansive, and I've never actually been able to play any of the games for more than half an hour. Of course, that's possibly because it's on my brother's gameboy, but I just have no motivation to keep playing. I don't feel connected to the character, like I do to Shepard.

For once, Ecael, I think I have to agree with LorDC... you're just being nostalgic now.
But... the menu/bonuses/item variety RPG elements would be nice to have again.

"...Waxin' goddamn nostalgic!"

Pokémon may have a very simplistic storyline, but hey - at least there's no plot holes to worry about then.

Too simple is to me too lazy.
Also many great stories have plotholes.
Example Terminator 2 ending is one giant plothole. Since they destroyed Terminator tehnology how then Arnold could be send back to past to save John Connor or even kill Sarah Connor in Terminator 1?

Also example of simple story and no plotholes is Avatar. Do I have to even talk about Avatar?!

[AZ RUSH]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You talking about the TV show?

EDIT:  Reminds me of the old Super Mario Bros. cartoon, that was a hoot

We're the Mario Brothers and plumbings our game. We're not like the others who get all the fame.

That is an instant classic.  Also they had cool lines like.

"What are you doing?"
"Oh, I'm just checking the expiration date on your toothpaste...can I come in?"

Brilliant script work there. 

So the question is:
Would you rather be the very best?...or...
Would you rather do the Mario!?!

[Ecael]

I have incorporated several of the suggestions listed on the first page into a new Building Consensus thread:

http://social.biowar...5/index/2917490

[EricHVela]

You are a very enlightening and equal parts strange person. Win!

[LyletheBloody]

Great post with well thought out points.



I will merely state my feedback directly to BioWare that I do not support the Pokemonization of Mass Effect.



Good OP.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I support full Pokemonization of Mass Effect

your feedback has been INVALIDATED

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 25 juillet 2010 - 03:28 .

[InvaderErl]

[Onyx Jaguar]

That Pikachu sure looks an awful lot like Dom Deluise.