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o.O.

Just because it's talked about doesn't mean it's popular. I'm not saying my information is correct, the poll was when people first started finishing the game, so this is going back like, 6 months.. and I don't really have great memory. And anyway, opinions change, so maybe the Dark Ritual is the most popular ending now. *but*, it isn't the only ending.

And I think people are just taking note of the Dark Ritual now because of Awakenings. I only ever did the Dark Ritual once before the expansion, and truth be told.. I didn't like that play through at all. It didn't feel like a natural character. It felt like a forced character *because* I was doing it to see the ending of the Dark Ritual. But, because of Awakenings and the whole, choices barely mattering, and dead wardens popping up alive, I have since then done one more Dark Ritual run.

I think people are assuming, because of Awakenings, Wardens who do the US are just left out and continue dead. It's my hope that Bioware continue on their descions (providing they use the same settings, and I have a sneaky feeling they will not. I think it'll be years after the Warden and in a different country.), which means Morrigans child will not be focused. Of course, this is only my opinion, but it's getting rather tiresom that *this* topic is brought up every other day.

Morrigans ending is not the only ending. There's plenty of other endings.

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The Dark Ritual is the  least popular ending? I have a hard time believing that, simply because it's the most interesting ending. It wasn't some random deus ex machina to save your character. It was an interesting moral dilemma or the obvious solution. Depending on how you played your character. But regardless, it provides the most dynamic ending with which to continue the storyline. The child probably won't be the main character, because it would limit people to being human, but s/he'll definitely be a major part of the story.

And to people who don't want to continue with the storyline because they didn't choose it: would you rather have had Bioware force you to choose it in game? Because that would be your other option.

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yer Taylor i no what your getting at with the other ending choices, but it just seems that if they were to pick a ending regardless of your choices it would be the dark ritual cause of the storyline, o by the way DSH1224 that god baby most likely to be female cause flemmeth had only daughters so its a strong chance morrigan will to and the archdemon im guessing was female because the acrhdemon was a massive dragon and if you read the codex on dragons it says the the female dragons are massive while the male dragons are dwarfs in comparrison

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Perhaps the next game will be set in Tevinter, and the point will be to drive off the qunari.

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Norwood06 is correct.



The main villian will be Morrigan's Stay Puffed Marshmallow Baby.



In brief - the Tevinter Dragons were evil before they showed the mages the way into the Golden City. Placing the soul of one into a tainted baby was NOT a good judgement call on Morrigan's part. And I think he's dead on about Flemeth possessing the little tyke.



I'm sure there will be other villians similar to Howe and Loghain. But Mr. Stay Puffed will be the end game villian - and likely much more scheming and intelligent this time.

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Locations: Kal Sharok, Par Vollen, Orlais, and I like the call on some time spent in the Black City itself.

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These are my bets, of course. I have no inside info.

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BLACK CITY- could do a opening where your warden died by ultimate sacrafise or a unlucky death and you have to escape the black city to re enter the real world, possible enemies- spirit guardians maybe? who ensure the dead dont leave and reenter their bodies

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Hanz54321 wrote...

Norwood06 is correct.

The main villian will be Morrigan's Stay Puffed Marshmallow Baby.

In brief - the Tevinter Dragons were evil before they showed the mages the way into the Golden City. Placing the soul of one into a tainted baby was NOT a good judgement call on Morrigan's part. And I think he's dead on about Flemeth possessing the little tyke.

I'm sure there will be other villians similar to Howe and Loghain. But Mr. Stay Puffed will be the end game villian - and likely much more scheming and intelligent this time.

What? Why will Mr. Staypuft be the main villain?  Anyhow, if he is, no biggie.  He's a sailor, he's in Denerim.  We take this guy to The Pearl and we have nothing to worry about.

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Hanz54321 wrote...

Norwood06 is correct.

The main villian will be Morrigan's Stay Puffed Marshmallow Baby.

In brief - the Tevinter Dragons were evil before they showed the mages the way into the Golden City. Placing the soul of one into a tainted baby was NOT a good judgement call on Morrigan's part. And I think he's dead on about Flemeth possessing the little tyke.

I'm sure there will be other villians similar to Howe and Loghain. But Mr. Stay Puffed will be the end game villian - and likely much more scheming and intelligent this time.

U actually believe what the chantry spews? Do u also believe that there's a maker and all magic users are sinful and need to be under constant watch?

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No to the DR, and No to Morrigans child being the next PC.



Making the Dark Ritual canon spits on peoples choices, and the OGB as the PC means no more Origins to choose from, and you have to be human.

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Behindyounow wrote...

No to the DR, and No to Morrigans child being the next PC.

Making the Dark Ritual canon spits on peoples choices, and the OGB as the PC means no more Origins to choose from, and you have to be human.


I'm not going or trying to make a point for or against the Dark Ritual, but didn't Bioware already say that the multiple Origin choices were pretty much over and done with with Origins, hence the name of the title? I could have sworn I saw a moderator lower expectations about that when people were listing the new Origins they would like to see in the next game.

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Behindyounow wrote...

No to the DR, and No to Morrigans child being the next PC.

Making the Dark Ritual canon spits on peoples choices, and the OGB as the PC means no more Origins to choose from, and you have to be human.


Not really, it's not like there isn't more than one Grey Warden in the world, for all we know Morrigan could have slept with Riordan at the last moment, or maybe she turned into a really fast bird (or dragon), made her way to an area with a warden and then slept with him. As far as us dieing goes, we could have just taken the brundt of the blow, while a small part of the old god's souls entered Morrigan's unborn child.

The god-child is too important of a plot device to just "throw away", whether it offends you or not.

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Befit wrote...

U actually believe what the chantry spews? Do u also believe that there's a maker and all magic users are sinful and need to be under constant watch?


Um - based on my PCs experience in Andraste's Temple on the Mountain with the Guardian . . . your damn skippy I do.  Before that it was open for debate in my mind.  After that . . . not so much.

Besides, what I believe in game is not what matters.  What I believe about story writing and marketing said story, especially sequels, is where I draw my conclusions from.

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Zaros wrote...


The god-child is too important of a plot device to just "throw away", whether it offends you or not.


This.  It's not about what a few people like - it's about what the story writers intended AND what the masses will eat up.  The masses don't even come to forums or playthrough more than once.

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If the god child was such an important plot device, why even give players the option to say no? Think about it like this:

Option one: The players have no choice to begin with, and Morrigan does the dark ritual and gets the child.

Option two: You let the players say no to Morrigan, and they or Alistair or the Secret companion get killed whilst slaying the archdemon. Then, at a later point the story is changed so "Ha! Your choice was meaningless! Morrigan got the child anyway!"

Which is the better option?

Modifié par Behindyounow, 08 juin 2010 - 10:55 .


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[quote]Behindyounow wrote...

If the god child was such an important plot device, why even give players the option to say no? [quote]


Because that is what the game designers, writers, and marketers decided to do.  It's what will sell.

All of your points were adequate, and I understand some folks are not going to like having the rug pulled out from under them.  My canon character refuses the Dark Ritual.  But as sure as the sun will rise each morning, the Old God Child will be the Arch-Villian in the next game.

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I wouldn't mind the old god child as the villain in the next game, if they did it right. I'd be interested in Biowares take on a child villain, if they set the game at a time when the OGB is a child, as opposed to an adult. Perhaps making him a spoiled brat or something.



None of the cliched 'Wiser beyond his years' creepy child crap though.


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If they needed the 'child' for the next game then they should've made the ritual happen, and if they wanted to ensure the dark ritual happened then they could've had Morrigan convince Alistair or Loghain to do it if the player refused, if somebody dies killing the archdemon then the child is off limits.

I have my own thoery about the child anyway, since it's the taint in the child that allows it to host the old god's soul then it could just become another archdemon despite what Morrigan says, then for players who didn't take the ritual the archdemon is just the next old god. It would mean the game could be fundamentally the same either way but still reflect your decision, but it's not all that imaginative I suppose, another blight I mean.

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nerdage wrote...

If they needed the 'child' for the next game then they should've made the ritual happen, and if they wanted to ensure the dark ritual happened then they could've had Morrigan convince Alistair or Loghain to do it if the player refused, if somebody dies killing the archdemon then the child is off limits.


Oh, they'll write right around that little detail.  Morrigan got knocked up by stealing the Warden's semen in the night.  She went to Orlais and seduced another Warden and then braved the deep roads blah blah blah.

I'm really quite alright with the whole thing.  DAO was fun for the choices they gave us and now they are going to likely etch some things in stone that they didn't before.  No biggie.

This discussion is all academic for me because I probably won't buy DA2 - at least not until 4-6 months have gone by and all the reviews say it is not a bugged piece of crap like 1.03 and Awakening.

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i bet it will be bugged, this company only concerned for money and refuse to listen to problems with the game, and are quite rude to people who try to tell them, so how can they possibly no what to fix for the next game, and its sounding like its gonna be rushed so i wouldnt be to hopeful.

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EA is the one only concerned about money, Bioware is actually the most connected company with their fans. They do listen to us and actually use the community to see what they did right and wrong. DA 2 is already listed as being revealed at E3, and is coming out next Febuary. I cant wait to see it personally.

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the morriganspawn might not be evil but you are still looking at the essence of a powerful and alien intelligence which might very well mean that humans or elven or dwarf concepts of good are very different from its

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want to play Qunari rifleman kthnx

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I'm not sure how they'd work it but the place I'd most like to see is Kal-Sharok, I imagine the dwarfs there would resemble duergar by now, the wiki certainly doesn't make them sound all that pleasant, I'm just really curious to know how they survived.