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[Sialater]

Found this on the other page. Louvette is a genius again:



http://louvette.devi...t.com/#/d2xr4l5

[LadyVaJedi]

sweet pics. I love the pun on the old spice commercials.

[LupusYondergirl]

Awwwww... I thought she might have done a new da2 Anders. That one does make me smile whenever I see it, though.

[Galagraphia]

dA hates me today, but I have photobucket:



I think I'll do something better after some rest, this week was exhausting.

[arsonic]

Oh God, I've just found this thread and I'm writing my first fiction. Ha. If it's too long let me know and I'll move it off forum, but I'd been thinking about it for a while, since my WC was very apostate-friendly, and a lot of people asked "Why would my WC let Anders' story from the LI thread happen?" This is my take, with a few views on the definition of love.


 "You're sure you want to do this, then? I mean, really sure?"

"I'm sure, yes." Slania stared back at him in the darkness, letting the beginnings of a grin slip on to her face. "That's an odd question coming from you, though, isn't it? Escaping is sort of your specialty."

Oh, it's an odd question, all right. You wouldn't think it half as odd if you knew what he asked me to do, what I agreed to do, but, with any luck, you won't need to. Not until I've made a difference, until I've changed things. For me. For him. For you. For all of us. Anders forced himself out of his thoughts to respond.

"It might be, but I'm not the Hero of Ferelden. I'm not Warden-Commander, either," he said.

"I'm not Warden-Commander either. Not anymore." She looked back towards the camp, concerned. "I'm sure about this. I've been sure for a while, you know that. But leaving you here with Rolan..."

"What's Rolan going to do? Think I turned you into a frog, and you didn't even put up a fight?" He grinned.

Slania looked less amused. "Maybe. He's no Warden- he's a bloody templar babysitter, I don't care if he drinks a gallon of darkspawn blood. They sent him to watch you, and they didn't give a damn what I said about it. I should have left then." She sighed. "There's no place for us here, Anders. You were right."

Anders looked at her then. He'd seen the Commander in a number of states- provoked her to many of them, if he was honest- but this was one he hadn't seen often. Slumped shoulders, lowered eyes, biting lips. Despair.

"Oh, it's not all that bad," he said, attempting to lighten the mood. "I mean, you're a mage hero, at least. And Rolan can watch me all he wants, and not do a thing about me. It's probably more horrible for him."

"Mm. A mage hero. And for all that got me." Her expression hadn't changed. "I saved the entire country-twice, if we're honest, yes? I put a king on the throne, and then cleaned up the mess. And what do I get, Anders? What do we get?" Anger crept into her voice. "I ask for the Circle to be freed, and my friend says he can't. The Chantry wouldn't approve. And then has the nerve to act like he didn't expect that when he agreed to the damn boon."

Anders nodded, sensing her need to continue.

"And then, the order I rebuilt has the gall to say, 'Hey, you? Mage that did us a couple of huge favors? Your best friend needs to be watched, because he's a dirty evil mage like you.'" She snorted. "Maker save us from the apostates. They probably thought I needed watching but didn't have the stones to say it. And then, just what started this, this whole ridiculous chapter of my life, I've been trying to ignore it but I-" Her voice cut out, and she shut her eyes.

It hardly required saying, but he did it anyway. "Jowan."

She nodded. "He..he was scared, Anders. He wasn't evil. All the Enchanters and templars did was berate him, because he wasn't as good as his best friend. He was scared they'd make him a Tranquil, and he turned to blood magic. They drove him to it, Anders. He never called a demon. He never possessed a person. He fell in love, he sacrificed everything for Lily, and she couldn't see it. Because she was trained not to. And then he was caught up in this whole Blight mess, same as me. He just got the short end of the stick." Slania opened her eyes to gaze at Anders. "How many more Jowans are out there, Anders? How many mages, that ran out of choices? How many mages am I failing by sitting here, hiding behind my rank?"

Anders returned the gaze, losing himself again in his mind. You love him,he thought. Not like you love me, or even like you loved the Antivan, but you do. You're giving up your own safety to save him, just like you saved me. Like you did when you stuck your neck out on the line for Nate, or any of us really.

I love you, Slania. Not in the way you love him, which makes things quite a bit less awkward. But you're my best friend, and I love you, and I don't want you to go. But we both have to do something. Justice is right, if a bit shortsighted. He says we have to do this, because it is right.

I say we have to do this, for the people we love. It's what you would do. It's what you did for me.

He embraced her then, a large bear hug that the fellow mage returned with the same amount of warmth. "It's not always going to be like this. I promise. And I'll be fine."

She laughed, backing off a bit to look at his face again. "I worry more when you say that, you know."

"Worry? About me? I can't imagine why." He grinned, wiping a stray tear from her face. "Now shoo. Go find your boyfriend and bring the Chantry to its knees, or whatever it is you heroes do. Unless that information the elf gave you is wrong, and then I'll have to turn him into a frog."

"I almost killed him once, Anders. I'd wager he hasn't forgotten." She smiled, and kissed his forehead before releasing him. "Goodbye, Anders. I-"

He waves her away before she can finish. "I know. Now go. Before I change my mind." She doesn't ask about what, and he silently thanks her for it.

When she is out of sight, he whispers to the darkness. "Justice?"

She is gone, the voice answers. Is it time?

Anders nods, and the world goes black.

---

"Anders!"

His mind was jumbled, but he recognized that voice. It made sense, though, didn't it? They both knew that voice. Anders. Justice. Anders. Justice. No. Not Justice, any more.

He looked up at her, across the bodies, the flames. He was vaguely aware of the blood still dripping off of him in places it should not have ever been, and her face-

Slania had her hand to her mouth, staring wide-eyed at him (them. US.) Was it horror? Undoubtedly, but there was something else, she was thinking-

He could almost hear the click in her head as she began to barrel across the massacre towards them. She knows. She knows what we did. She'll try to destroy us, but that can't happen, we have purpose, she will not understand-

For the first time in his life as- whatever this is, really- he fights the voice off. She will not. And before he has a chance to answer, she is standing in front of him, crying.


"Why didn't you tell me?" she sobs, looking around. "I would never have left you with Rolan, I could have stopped this, Anders, we could have talked about this..."


"I wanted to help you. And everyone. I didn't want to be afraid any more. I didn't want anyone to be." They are words, useless in the aftermath of his mistake, but all he can manage.

"I know why you did it, Anders. You know that." She shakes her head. But remember when I spared the Architect? And you said, 'What if this is a horrible idea that backfires on us?'"

Oh Maker. "I know."

"Justice." She puts her hand to his cheek, but does not speak to him. "This world is beautiful Justice, but it's ugly, too. Even in the best of us. I'm sorry." Anders felt something in him calm- if only for a moment, before Slania grabbed his wrist. "Come on."

"I can't stay here. Or with you, or anyone. I can't be trusted." He stared back at the bodies.


"I know that." Her voice was flat, determined. Commander-like. "There's a boat waiting for me in Amaranthine. Headed for Kirkwall, the Free Marshes."

"I won't get you involved-"

"I will not be on that boat, Anders. You will. And if you think for a second that it will be possible to convince me otherwise, then clearly we didn't know each other that well." Slania stares at him. "Either of you."




The boat leaves that night without its intended cargo, just as she had predicted. The captain- a woman, one he might have enjoyed quite a bit more before all this- was convinced with a silver tongue and some extra sovereigns. As it was, he preferred to sit in the gloomy cabin, away from all the distractions. Away from all the people he could hurt.

And perhaps most of all, so he could read her note.

Anders,

I don't know what I can say to fix this, this time. It's up to you, and I wish I could help, but you know as well as I do that the Chantry will never let us live. Better that we split up, and make it harder for them.


Please don't think you brought this down on me, Anders. I was leaving the Wardens for a maleficar, and I doubt they would have looked kindly upon that. Better that you leave, than me. If they catch me here, maybe the King will grow a spine and defend his Hero, mage or no. If not, I still won't regret it. You know me too well to think that, I hope.

I have faith in you, Anders. You and Justice. Justice is an absolute, which is fine in the Fade, but as I tried to explain to him once, we're not. It's almost the opposite, come to think of it- he complained how the scenery there always changed, but the scenery is nothing. Here people change. And even good men, the best of men, harbor darkness. He's not used to that, that constant battle. And it's changed him, and you.

Remember that, please, Anders. People change. For better or worse. You've done a horrible thing, and you have the capacity to do so again. But so does every other man or woman in Thedas- they just don't have your power. Power corrupts, so easily. But a good man can use power, with mercy, and change the world.

You are a good man, Anders. I know it, others know it, and you need to remember it. Please be the man I know you are. For you, most of all.

And also, because I love you, and if you don't, it'll break my heart.

I will always be your friend, Anders. Find a pretty girl, a good meal, and shoot lightning at
fools. I hope to do the same, someday.

-Slania Amell

Modifié par arsonic, 18 février 2011 - 08:59 .

[Miri1984]

 Jen Hepler answered a few questions on the other thread! I'll post them here for you:

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

As a general rule, the way friendship and rivalry works, is that friendship means agreeing with and supporting the follower in what *they* want to do, no matter how crazy, illogical or dangerous to self and others. Rivalry means opposing their big cause, often for the right reasons. So it's very possible to be a better friend to someone by choosing the rivalry path, since you're trying to stop them from giving in to their own self-destructive whims. It's not always the most intuitive, but definitely don't think of friendship as doing the "right" thing and rivalry as doing the "bad" thing. It's just as likely to be the other way around.

And... about the "eating people" thing:

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

The short story is about the first time Vengeance takes over. Anders is totally unprepared for what was going to happen, so it's a bit more... graphic and extreme... than it becomes when he actively tries to control it. Not that he always succeeds at controlling Vengeance, by any means, but he's at least putting up a fair fight.

ETA @Arsonic Lovely! Something like that is definitely what I'm thinking happens to Alim. Although I suspect he's gone before the whole Rolan thing happens...

Modifié par Miri1984, 18 février 2011 - 09:20 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

Oops! Sorry! I arted!

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[Sarah1281]

I just hope the rivalry thing doesn't mean they'll be hostile to you the whole game. You can have friendly rivalries or rivalries with respect and I'd rather have that than a pure antagonistic relationship as you try to save them from their crazy .*wonders if Anders will be one of those you have to save from self-destruction*

[arsonic]

I don't think so. A completely pro-Chantry/anti-Mage person isn't going to have a chance, mind you, but there's a grey area. I think a PC that understands his anger while also trying to convince him that blind murder and hate isn't going to solve his problem will bring out more of the "old" Anders. While he's not going to like what you say at the beginning, I can see him warming to it over time, especially if he's fighting totally giving into Vengeance.



I also think it's interesting that Vengeance is really Justice, just fueled by blind hate and anger... which is Anders' main problem with the Chantry. If I had to guess at a "redemption moment" for him, it would be Hawke making him realize this- that he's becoming the very thing he hates. I don't write for Bioware though, so what do I know

[Miri1984]

@Sarah Yeah, I'm really interested in how it's going to work. What if I agree with Anders, that the Chantry has to come down, but I want to do it differently to him? Will THAT mean I have to go down the rivalry path? Or can I be friendly and say, yes let's do it, but not like THAT? I really don't want to be stuck in the wishy washy areas in the middle because I basically agree with the outcome but don't want the wholesale slaughter IYKWIM.

[TripLight]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Sarah Yeah, I'm really interested in how it's going to work. What if I agree with Anders, that the Chantry has to come down, but I want to do it differently to him? Will THAT mean I have to go down the rivalry path? Or can I be friendly and say, yes let's do it, but not like THAT? I really don't want to be stuck in the wishy washy areas in the middle because I basically agree with the outcome but don't want the wholesale slaughter IYKWIM.

My Xbox is going to have so many save files trying to find that out. Of Course I wont go back to them until after I beat the game.

BTW, *raises her beer* Evening Ladies!

[Miri1984]

Apparently friendship/rivalry is based more on the actions you take, rather than the conversations you have, which is fabulous. I like that the approval system has been chucked - it really annoyed me that you could basically have people following you around who hated you in Origins.

[arsonic]

I wonder if you could still have the romance, but have it be very, very different depending on the path you took. Like, if you choose Friendship, and do things in line with getting pure bloody revenge on the Chantry, I could still see a romance as possible, but very different from a Rivalry where you convinced him his path was wrong. THAT would be some interesting replay value, there.

[LupusYondergirl]

Miri1984 wrote...

Apparently friendship/rivalry is based more on the actions you take, rather than the conversations you have, which is fabulous. I like that the approval system has been chucked - it really annoyed me that you could basically have people following you around who hated you in Origins.

Yes! This!
"Hey, I killed connor, saved the anvil, and then decapitated wynne... but here's an action figure for you, alistair.  We cool, right?"

And Miri, that was fantastic.  I read it on the train this morning and got many strange looks from my giggling.

I kind of like the idea that Hawke could be the one saying "Now, you know I love you, and you know I hate templars, but really, you need to tell Justice we can't kill those recruits.  They're seven."

@arsonic: I like that! I hate the thought that "our" wardens would screw Anders over so badly.

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 19 février 2011 - 01:50 .

[Miri1984]

Thanks Lupus. And I'm really looking forward to what gifts we can give people. I'm going to REPEATEDLY try to give Merrill and Fenris shoes. And Varric a razor. And Anders will get ALL THE KITTEHS. And maybe we can give Sebastian little scottish dolls wearing different tartans.

[Wedger]

@arsonic Nice fic. Congrats on your first.

[LupusYondergirl]

I'm curiuous, too. I believe they said the only gifts would be "major" gifts- the conversation triggering ones. No piling Isabela with all the shiny baubles you find across the countryside like you could with Morrigan, I suppose.



Oh, and the Anderstair?

I've got a whole album

I've always liked this one. Enough to use it for my "magesmut" icon on dreamwidth. Anders and Maggie having "quiet time." (Or, more accurately for them, extremely loud time)





and the attack of crazy-eyes Maggie. This would be a great shot if it wasn't for, well, the crazy-eyes. But they do suit her.

[nenosronhir]

Miri1984 wrote...
Thanks Lupus. And I'm really looking forward to what gifts we can give people. I'm going to REPEATEDLY try to give Merrill and Fenris shoes. And Varric a razor. And Anders will get ALL THE KITTEHS. And maybe we can give Sebastian little scottish dolls wearing different tartans.

Sorry, I had to! XD

[LupusYondergirl]

The look on Anders face is PRICELESS! I love it!

[Miri1984]

@nenosronhir NEVER APOLOGISE FOR ART . We love it. And I agree - the look on Anders' face is fantastic

[cave_fatuam]

Bef is dead to the world and will not be back for the rest of the night. She will smother you all with loving comments tomorrow morning. You see, her new super shiny (It's glossy-glossy *dance*) X-Box actually hooks up and works with the giant living room TV... this means life size Anders when you talk to him... in HD...with b-tchin' surround sound. I almost hugged the tv earlier... I'm lying I totally hugged it.

Modifié par cave_fatuam, 19 février 2011 - 04:26 .

[Miri1984]

Ooooh, Life Size Anders. *is envious*

[LupusYondergirl]

Oooh, life size Anders. I'm jealous!

I admit, I bought ANOTHER new video card.... for DA2. I got the cheapest directx 11 card before, but now that I have a job I got something... well... about three times as good, specs-wise. My computer looks SO GOOD now. I can't wait.

[pagerunner]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Oooh, life size Anders. I'm jealous!
I admit, I bought ANOTHER new video card.... for DA2. I got the cheapest directx 11 card before, but now that I have a job I got something... well... about three times as good, specs-wise. My computer looks SO GOOD now. I can't wait.

Ooh.  I'm crossing my fingers that DA2 will work all right on my computer; it should, since it looks like it's sitting somewhere comfortably in the middle between the minimum and recommended requirements.  It's an iMac from a couple years ago, and I ran DA:O on it under Boot Camp, with the graphics slightly dialed down just in case; I'd had an early crash on higher settings, although I still don't know for sure if that was why.  This time around, I'm tempted to install the game on both the Windows and OSX partitions and see which one works better.  I'm so glad both versions are shipping on the same disc this time!

Who knows, maybe I'll do my mage on one side and my rogue on the other.  Which one is better suited to which operating system is an exercise I leave to the reader. 

As for life-size Anders.... oh, don't even get me started.  *grin*  So many naughty naughty ideas there, so little time....

[LupusYondergirl]

My computer is just new enough that, with the new video card, I should be able to run it on maximum settings. It has been SO MANY years since I've been able to max out a new game, I'm super excited.