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Anders: he didn't do it, but HE WILL! (DAO spoilers, may contain DAII spoiles)


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MKDAWUSS

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I did a Warrior Female Hawke-Anders romance, and it was rather decent. As that more or less started to develop that made his "shining moment" completely clash with his character throughout the game (and the story device behind it felt like a complete cop-out IMO). He does have some nice moments. The awkward thing was his stance on blood magic, since in Awakening, he... uh... was a blood mage...

The parting "love" line with him was kind of neat.

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I really, really liked the mage/Anders romance. Something tells me I won't like the others as much. It just felt like the writers expected people to romance him with mages, that it was 'supposed' to be that pairing. Or something. It seemed very natural and fitting, especially at the end.


Gamlen cracked a line regarding that. Chuckled at it.

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Bethany gets a lot of very nice banter with Anders when you play a warrior or rogue. Beyond the politics of magic, they talk about her upbringing, their father and how her family worked so hard to keep her safe. The Bethany/Hawke relationship created a much different dynamic between my Hawke and Anders than I was expecting; Wil was very much his protector in the end, which the game helpfully encouraged with certain spoilery events.

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LupusYondergirl

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Well, he was only a blood mage if you made him one in Awakening. And I always got the impression, from his tone in the comment on it, that he wasn't particularly pleased with that turn of events.

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Surely: That's what I was hoping- that it would give an entirely new feel to the relationship.
I suppose I'll find out soon since Elizabeth Hawke is fleeing Lothering at the moment. (and I got one of the non-default family appearances! Kind of psyched about that, since I had the default ones my first time through.)

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Oooh, I don't like that preset, I think Bethany look hideous....

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DragonRacer13

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I'm definitely curious about what dialogue changes occur when you romance him as a mage. I am in the Gallows about to start the final battle, currently, and I played a rogue Lady Hawke. The romance was just as sweet as could be, even though she isn't a mage. I played a Hawke who has protected her little apostate sister all her life, so she's just as fiercely protective of her apostate boyfriend. Posted Image

I love that the Act 3 codex just comes out and says that everyone in Kirkwall knows the Champion is shagging an apostate, and that it's now her status keeping him unmolested by the templars (though it was sweet how Varric was paying for folks to watch out for "Blondie" back in Act 2... and to make sure "nothing" keeps happening to Merrill, even though it's costing him a fortune. Posted Image ). And how Meredith, when Anders confronts her in the Templar Hall early in "The Last Straw", she spits about how his status with the Champion can only protect him so much. And how Uncle Gamlen mentions that he heard you "moved that apostate boy into your home. You are your mother's daughter."

It's a "family tradition" for my rogue Hawke, it seems. A non-mage running off with a fugitive apostate lover. LOL

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And I soooo wish there was an option at the end, when you spare Anders, to respond to Sebastian's threat when he storms off. Yes, dear Prince, go raise your army. And when you come for my "precious Anders", you had better be ready for my duel-wielding protective fury, boy! Posted Image

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WeRtheBrox wrote...

Oooh, I don't like that preset, I think Bethany look hideous....

That's not the best shot of her, she's actually got kind of a young Isabella Rosselini thing going. 

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LupusYondergirl wrote...

I really, really liked the mage/Anders romance. Something tells me I won't like the others as much. It just felt like the writers expected people to romance him with mages, that it was 'supposed' to be that pairing. Or something. It seemed very natural and fitting, especially at the end.


I romanced him with a rogue first and then a mage and was actually kinda disappointed by the mage one.  Well not disappointed, since the romance is just as squee-ful and awesome, but there weren't as many references to it as I thought, I guess.

I actually liked their dynamic a lot more with my rogue.  It added even more perspective to the "one day someone like me can love someone like you..." line at the end.  I also just liked being able to role-play my rogue that way, I guess: she's not a mage but she will fiercely protect the people she loves (Bethany, Anders), no matter what kind of mess she gets herself into along the way.

Are you guys not depressed over here?  DA2 took my fangirl heart and wringed out all my tears before stomping on it.  :crying:  Anders made me so sad.

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@Leggywillow Sad, but not. I knew it wasn't going to be tea and roses. I didn't know HOW it was not going to be tea and roses, and I'm pretty angry with him for what he put me through in Act III, but it didn't end quite as hideously as I was afraid it would.

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Miri1984 wrote...

@Leggywillow Sad, but not. I knew it wasn't going to be tea and roses. I didn't know HOW it was not going to be tea and roses, and I'm pretty angry with him for what he put me through in Act III, but it didn't end quite as hideously as I was afraid it would.


It's amazing, isn't it? I was legitimately pissed off at him several times, just for how he was treating the other companions. I ran with him, Varric and Aveline for most of Act 3 and I dubbed it Team Concern. I think every trip probably ended with some sort of intervention efforts. 

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Miri1984 wrote...

@Leggywillow Sad, but not. I knew it wasn't going to be tea and roses. I didn't know HOW it was not going to be tea and roses, and I'm pretty angry with him for what he put me through in Act III, but it didn't end quite as hideously as I was afraid it would.


I guess what actually happens in-game isn't that tragic if you can get past what he does, but from reading his Codex entries and seeing how he changes from Act 1 to Act 3... OMG.  It breaks my heart.  :crying:

And here's an interesting video of his rivalmance that really brings into question just how in control of his actions he really is.  He starts to have second thoughts and then... well.  This is his last (or technically second-to-last) romance conversation, so it may be spoiler-y.

EDIT:  It also makes me like Justice a lot less.  I have to keep reminding myself that it isn't his fault either.

Modifié par leggywillow, 14 mars 2011 - 03:32 .


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DragonRacer13 wrote...

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And I soooo wish there was an option at the end, when you spare Anders, to respond to Sebastian's threat when he storms off. Yes, dear Prince, go raise your army. And when you come for my "precious Anders", you had better be ready for my duel-wielding protective fury, boy! Posted Image



I had similar thoughts TBH

I found his line about kids at the end to be hopeful at best. Distant dream, sure, but there was hope nonetheless.

Modifié par MKDAWUSS, 14 mars 2011 - 03:27 .


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MKDAWUSS wrote...

I had similar thoughts TBH

I found his line about kids at the end to be hopeful at best. Distant dream, sure, but there was hope nonetheless.


Overall, he seemed more hopeful and... like a weight had been shed a bit, after the Chantry bit. Or maybe that was just my impression.

Wondering about the whole "kids" thing, though... I mean, he's still a Grey Warden, after all. The taint makes it rather difficult, so the rumor goes... Posted Image You know, aside from the whole fugitives-on-the-run problem and his little Vengeance issues. Posted Image

Modifié par DragonRacer13, 14 mars 2011 - 11:16 .


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@ Miri,
-Spoilery bit--Spoilery bit--Spoilery bit-
-Spoilery bit--Spoilery bit--Spoilery bit-

I was more upset that he lied to my Hawke and didn't trust her than about the big bada boom. Although, it should be noted that for the past few weeks I more than threatened to do roughly the same thing he did myself. X| My Hawke would have understood the burnination as that one glorious despicable act to polarize and push forth a much needed revolution.

Also, anyone else pick out that it's Sela Petra? Like the city Petra called Sela? Where Moses split the rock in twain and brought forth the waters? I'm totally reading too deep into that, but it gave me a nerd giggle.

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*sob* I'm in the act 2 and something AWFUL has just happened to my Hawke. :( I think Maker really hates her. The only positive moment was that Anders came to comfort her. It was nice. I wanted something like this in Origins. When Mahariel kills Tamlen and nobody notices :( And I think I've lost my chance to get friendship with Merrill thanks to Anders. He trolls her so much that I even re-spec'd my Hawke into a jedi Hawke instead of a creepy-blood-mage Hawke.

BTW, I've tried team sexy and it works! I mean, they are unstopable. Though I still prefer Varric to Seb and Carver to Fenris, but Carver is king of ______.
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Dunno how spoilerish we're being but I noticed a real life parallel in all the clues we're given.  I tried to post it here and gray it out, but it won't let me.

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LupusYondergirl

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Sia: "Remember, remember the fifth of November, gunpowder, treason and plot," perhaps?  That was my thought, at least.

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 15 mars 2011 - 12:24 .


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leggywillow wrote...

And here's an interesting video of his rivalmance that really brings into question just how in control of his actions he really is.  He starts to have second thoughts and then... well.  This is his last (or technically second-to-last) romance conversation, so it may be spoiler-y.

EDIT:  It also makes me like Justice a lot less.  I have to keep reminding myself that it isn't his fault either.

So that's a perfect example of how sometimes you can be a better friend by being a rival. Wow, that was powerful. Now I'm feeling sorry for Anders again. Posted Image

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Hello Anders fans.
My name is Jon Jern
Call me Jern
Back in Origins, I thought Alistair was a great character.
He was my favourite character in Origins.
I played Dragon Age 2
I played a female rogue Hawke.
I played Awakening earlier ago, thought Anders was pretty cool, but didn't think much of him.
He is my favourite Dragon Age character of all time now.
I romanced in DA2.
I was so pleased with the results.
(I only share this with you guys, but I think Fenris's character is disgusting. I didn't get full rivalry though, since I tried a last ditch effort to get him to friend, but yeah. Didn't turn out so well.)
I finished DA2 just minutes ago.
My jaw dropped.
MY JAW DROPPED.
I convert from Alistair fandom to Anders fandom.
I bring myself into this thread, if you all don't mind.

...I will stop speaking like this now.

Modifié par Jon Jern , 15 mars 2011 - 04:55 .


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Hi Jern :) I remember you from the Alistair thread.

Hay hay!

@Lupus, I love that movie! Also, that's EXACTLY what I thought of when I saw it happen!

Anders is my hero, and they totally are psuedo-fingermen.

Modifié par Auora, 15 mars 2011 - 05:08 .


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I love how Anders becomes a secret badass at the finale. Was not expecting that at all.

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I meant for my mage to romance Fenris. She apparently disagreed.

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@Ann, it's OK he's a jerk anyways :)

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AnniLau wrote...

I meant for my mage to romance Fenris. She apparently disagreed.

*mournful sigh* Oh, I know! My first mage had angry, wall-pushing sex with Fenris, but then that bastard Anders stole her away by being so sweet. Only to break her heart into brittle little pieces which will never be put back together again. :crying:

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@Ann, it's OK he's a jerk anyways :)

Nah, when it comes down to it, Fenris is actually the good guy. You just have to not take his crap.

Fenris has been through a lot. It colors who he is. He doesn't know how to be anything but a slave, and he's trying so hard to fight his instincts and his past all the time that it conflicts him. Fenris is rightfully terrified of mages after the horrible things that they did to him. To fall for one that challenges his beliefs is his worst nightmare. I'm giving him a playthrough right now as I had originally intended. Sebastian will likely get one, too. Man, all the male LIs in this game are AWESOME, seriously.

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Apparently, in the group everyone is a bit of a gambler. You can have banters talking about their bets and card games among Varric Fanris and Isabela. What I didn't expect, was that Varrcic could teach my Mabari to play!

Varric: You wag your tail whenever you have a good hand, though. Might want to watch that. My uncle Emmet has a whole pack of rat terriers who play every week. They're a cutthroat bunch. You've got a long way to go to be their quality.
Mabari: (Growls)

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So long to our Anders-Gambit dreams? :°D

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