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[Miri1984]

I can never EVER rivalmance him. No more. Not after seeing the dialogue at the end that isn't there because of buggyness. Rivalmancing Merrill is good for her. Rivalmancing Anders... there isn't enough world for the hurt it causes him and Hawke. NO THANKS.

*cuddles her non-rivalmanced Anders to her chest*.

In other news, Sweet Candy Rain is doing a commission for me of my Saoirse Hawke and Anders. CHECK OUT THE SKETCH. It's not coloured yet, but DAYUM that woman is talented.

[Galagraphia]

@Auora, I think it's something prehistoric. Like the obsession with chest hair. It's cool when a man doesn't allow a woman to command him. When he has some backbone. I was kind of happy when I recruited Loghain and Alistair yelled at my Amell after that. I thought: "Come on, hate me, but this will make you a better king in the end!" Not the hatred or shouting, but the ability to defend his own opinion.
But, back to Anders. One of his rival lines I really like. When he says that he will do anything to show Hawke that the Mage Question is important and something must be done about it. And even if he convinces nobody else but Hawke, he'll be happy. It's like he says: "Your opinion is so important to me that I will die to prove to you that I'm right!" And it's funny that he wins. My 1st playthrough I started as a mage and supported Anders and all mages, and they were using that trust and kept betraying my poor diplomatic Hawke, and in the end I was tempted to side with templars, and regretted that I didn't when Orsino did his spoiler thing. Now I go with my templar Hawke, and from the other side it looks like all templars are bastards and poor mages really need help. I love the irony here and the possibilities for role-play. Dinah is very close to admit that Anders may be right.

@Miri, I still feel bad about rivalmancing him, but that love story gives me so much inspiration! Though I question Dinah's sanity sometimes. Why does she think that she loves the man? Just because he's handsome and saved her sister? Or does she feel sorry for him and thinks that he's blinded by his devotion and will end up dead?

Modifié par Galagraphia, 01 avril 2011 - 10:00 .

[Miri1984]

This is the problem I have with the rivalmance path. If they'd done it differently, I might have been tempted, but truly, a lot of the whole rival path seems to revolve around systematically destroying the things about Anders that MAKE HIM ANDERS. Ever since Awakenings he's held this core belief that mages need to be free, and through the rival path you're chipping away at that, and at the same time you're driving a wedge between him and Justice, when there truly is no way to separate the two of them.

The whole rivalry path with Anders smacks of pushing a person into mental illness to me. I know I'm metagaming to a certain extent, because I know the ending, but he does tell you from a very early point that there's no way to separate him and Justice, so making him fight against Justice is... kind of pointless torture to me.

Plus which the sorts of things rival!Hawke can say to him are... downright abusive sometimes. The Fenris Rival Path is a lot more healthy IMO.

And you know, really, I can NEVER say no to Anders. REALLY. That pixel man won my heart SO THOROUGHLY.

[Galagraphia]

@Miri, actually it's possible to be his rival without going on about Justice or driving him mad. This is what I do now. They argue a lot, because Anders wants freedom for all mages and no Circles or templars, and Dinah is telling him that Circles are needed at least to teach mages to control their powers and templars are needed to hunt those mages who commit crimes. They agree in many things. But I keep in mind that Dinah was at Ostagar and she knows how it feels to fight for a lost cause and how it ends. She probably has a complex or something. Because that was her last argument when they fought: she said that she won't let him die for nothing.
Hell, I think the act 3 will be a torment. It will be really hard not to act OOC.

[Galagraphia]

This page needs more silly pictures:

[Amondra]

Miri1984 wrote...

This is the problem I have with the rivalmance path. If they'd done it differently, I might have been tempted, but truly, a lot of the whole rival path seems to revolve around systematically destroying the things about Anders that MAKE HIM ANDERS. Ever since Awakenings he's held this core belief that mages need to be free, and through the rival path you're chipping away at that, and at the same time you're driving a wedge between him and Justice, when there truly is no way to separate the two of them.

The whole rivalry path with Anders smacks of pushing a person into mental illness to me. I know I'm metagaming to a certain extent, because I know the ending, but he does tell you from a very early point that there's no way to separate him and Justice, so making him fight against Justice is... kind of pointless torture to me.

Plus which the sorts of things rival!Hawke can say to him are... downright abusive sometimes. The Fenris Rival Path is a lot more healthy IMO.

And you know, really, I can NEVER say no to Anders. REALLY. That pixel man won my heart SO THOROUGHLY.

Outside of the rivalmance being bugged beyond belief, I don't like the fact, that at times you are helping Anders keep the fight going on loosing his mind to Justice, and make him think of less violent ways, in fact at one point you almost do and Justice pops out and basically tells you to GTFO.  I was upset because if you were a friend and in love, wouldn't that be what you wanted to do? and if you really didn't care two ****s you would let him destroy what was left of himself, to the point no one could see the man he once was?  I jsut feel the romances were a bit poorly written on the aspect but that might just be me.

[Amondra]

Miri1984 wrote...

This is the problem I have with the rivalmance path. If they'd done it differently, I might have been tempted, but truly, a lot of the whole rival path seems to revolve around systematically destroying the things about Anders that MAKE HIM ANDERS. Ever since Awakenings he's held this core belief that mages need to be free, and through the rival path you're chipping away at that, and at the same time you're driving a wedge between him and Justice, when there truly is no way to separate the two of them.

The whole rivalry path with Anders smacks of pushing a person into mental illness to me. I know I'm metagaming to a certain extent, because I know the ending, but he does tell you from a very early point that there's no way to separate him and Justice, so making him fight against Justice is... kind of pointless torture to me.

Plus which the sorts of things rival!Hawke can say to him are... downright abusive sometimes. The Fenris Rival Path is a lot more healthy IMO.

And you know, really, I can NEVER say no to Anders. REALLY. That pixel man won my heart SO THOROUGHLY.

At some points the rivalmance seems to show you are helping Anders retain what little is left of him, that isn't consumed by Justice, and are helping decide to do less violent things to prove his point.  At one point you almost do and Justice pops out and basically tells you to get lost, in your own home...what an ****.  The friendship one kinda seems like you are just blindly going along with it.  That upsets me to no end.  I mean if you are a real friend and on top of that in love, isn't that what you would be doing? Trying to save him from himself?  And if you didn't give two ****s wouldn't you just let him destroy himself and go to that dark place you find him at in the end?  I really think more effort should have been put into the romances, in this aspect they were poorly written.

[Amondra]

Amondra wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

This is the problem I have with the rivalmance path. If they'd done it differently, I might have been tempted, but truly, a lot of the whole rival path seems to revolve around systematically destroying the things about Anders that MAKE HIM ANDERS. Ever since Awakenings he's held this core belief that mages need to be free, and through the rival path you're chipping away at that, and at the same time you're driving a wedge between him and Justice, when there truly is no way to separate the two of them.

Yay computer making it look like my first post didn't go through...sorry for the spam.

The whole rivalry path with Anders smacks of pushing a person into mental illness to me. I know I'm metagaming to a certain extent, because I know the ending, but he does tell you from a very early point that there's no way to separate him and Justice, so making him fight against Justice is... kind of pointless torture to me.

Plus which the sorts of things rival!Hawke can say to him are... downright abusive sometimes. The Fenris Rival Path is a lot more healthy IMO.

And you know, really, I can NEVER say no to Anders. REALLY. That pixel man won my heart SO THOROUGHLY.

At some points the rivalmance seems to show you are helping Anders retain what little is left of him, that isn't consumed by Justice, and are helping decide to do less violent things to prove his point.  At one point you almost do and Justice pops out and basically tells you to get lost, in your own home...what an ****.  The friendship one kinda seems like you are just blindly going along with it.  That upsets me to no end.  I mean if you are a real friend and on top of that in love, isn't that what you would be doing? Trying to save him from himself?  And if you didn't give two ****s wouldn't you just let him destroy himself and go to that dark place you find him at in the end?  I really think more effort should have been put into the romances, in this aspect they were poorly written.

[Miri1984]

Miss this thread. It moves at a sane pace. I love you guys. Have an Anders!:

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[MKDAWUSS]

Amondra wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

This is the problem I have with the rivalmance path. If they'd done it differently, I might have been tempted, but truly, a lot of the whole rival path seems to revolve around systematically destroying the things about Anders that MAKE HIM ANDERS. Ever since Awakenings he's held this core belief that mages need to be free, and through the rival path you're chipping away at that, and at the same time you're driving a wedge between him and Justice, when there truly is no way to separate the two of them.

The whole rivalry path with Anders smacks of pushing a person into mental illness to me. I know I'm metagaming to a certain extent, because I know the ending, but he does tell you from a very early point that there's no way to separate him and Justice, so making him fight against Justice is... kind of pointless torture to me.

Plus which the sorts of things rival!Hawke can say to him are... downright abusive sometimes. The Fenris Rival Path is a lot more healthy IMO.

And you know, really, I can NEVER say no to Anders. REALLY. That pixel man won my heart SO THOROUGHLY.

At some points the rivalmance seems to show you are helping Anders retain what little is left of him, that isn't consumed by Justice, and are helping decide to do less violent things to prove his point.  At one point you almost do and Justice pops out and basically tells you to get lost, in your own home...what an ****.  The friendship one kinda seems like you are just blindly going along with it.  That upsets me to no end.  I mean if you are a real friend and on top of that in love, isn't that what you would be doing? Trying to save him from himself?  And if you didn't give two ****s wouldn't you just let him destroy himself and go to that dark place you find him at in the end?  I really think more effort should have been put into the romances, in this aspect they were poorly written.

I saw it as a case of empathizing (or sympthasizing) with his cause, which isn't necessarily a bad idea. It was just his "key shining moment" that was the problem.

Maybe (though I doubt it) we'll get to explore more of the Justice-Anders dynamic.

[tankgirly]

*emerge from behind the desk*

Hi, folks. Long time no see.

Trying to hide here for a while as Anders haters spilled over to Fenris thread.

[Miri1984]

*hugs tank* I'm hiding in here from being sick. Blergh.

[Galagraphia]

@Tank, welcome back. We have made this place a sanctum of love and salvation!

@Miri, I think you need a healing touch

[tankgirly]

@Gala, I do need one, thank you.
Those haters did brought up an interesting topic, do you know Anders isn't his real name? Apparently he was from Anderfels so the Circles gave him the name..

[MKDAWUSS]

tankgirly wrote...

@Gala, I do need one, thank you.
Those haters did brought up an interesting topic, do you know Anders isn't his real name? Apparently he was from Anderfels so the Circles gave him the name..

I wonder if that's the only name he's known. His introductions seemed to suggest that he wasn't labeled by any other name...

[dpMeggers]

Having recently rolled a mage!Hawke, I noticed that the staff you use in the Varric lying his pants off intro is Freedom's Call. Which is an Anders-exclusive (and unique) weapon. Minor detail I know but in my mind it sets up the romance way before you've even met (b/c Anders would be cool with Hawke using his staff...heh). I was wondering if anyone else noticed.

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[MKDAWUSS]

dpMeggers wrote...

Having recently rolled a mage!Hawke, I noticed that the staff you use in the Varric lying his pants off intro is Freedom's Call. Which is an Anders-exclusive (and unique) weapon. Minor detail I know but in my mind it sets up the romance way before you've even met (b/c Anders would be cool with Hawke using his staff...heh). I was wondering if anyone else noticed.

My canon Hawke is a female warrior, so I never noticed that. Nice little tidbit, though.

BTW, we all still on spoiler lockout, given the title? Just asking...

[Galagraphia]

 

David Gaider wrote...

Well, the thing is that Anders isn't his first name, either. It's a nickname (his family is from the Anderfels).

So providing you with his real name wouldn't be much help. 

And we also know that he was 12 when templars took him to the Circle, so he definitely knows his name, just doesn't use.

dpMeggers wrote...

Having recently rolled a mage!Hawke, I noticed that the staff you use in the Varric lying his pants off intro is Freedom's Call. Which is an Anders-exclusive (and unique) weapon. Minor detail I know but in my mind it sets up the romance way before you've even met (b/c Anders would be cool with Hawke using his staff...heh). I was wondering if anyone else noticed.

I thought the model wasn't unique for this staff. I think I had a few staffs that looked like that one.

[LupusYondergirl]

Gala: agreed, I think it's a reused model.
Although speaking of, I'm SO GLAD they had so many different staves in DA2. I hated how there were so many unique swords, daggers, and armor sets in Origins and just the same two staves again and again.

[cave_fatuam]

Galagraphia wrote...

 

David Gaider wrote...

Well, the thing is that Anders isn't his first name, either. It's a nickname (his family is from the Anderfels).

So providing you with his real name wouldn't be much help. 

And we also know that he was 12 when templars took him to the Circle, so he definitely knows his name, just doesn't use.

I wouldn't want to use the name that the people who got rid of me gave me, so maybe he's just more comfortable using a name given to him by people he thinks of fondly. Just sayin'.

[LupusYondergirl]

He does seem to remember his mother fondly, though.
(*sob* the pillow scene *sob*)

[Galagraphia]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Gala: agreed, I think it's a reused model.
Although speaking of, I'm SO GLAD they had so many different staves in DA2. I hated how there were so many unique swords, daggers, and armor sets in Origins and just the same two staves again and again.

You are wrong: there were three (!!!) staves!  And they changed color 

I don't think Anders hated his parents or blamed them. In the short story it was clear that his mother didn't want him to be taken away, but had no choice. And the pillow. Maybe templars started to call him Anders on the way to the Tower and then it stuck. He's not the only one who uses a nickname instead of the actual name: Finn and Sketch do it too.

[LupusYondergirl]

And all mages....
Makes me wonder if it was a trendy thing at the tower when he was young and some of them just never went back to their old names?

[cave_fatuam]

@Lupus, oh, don't make me think about the pillow. *curls up in ball*

@Gala, I don't think he hated them, but separating himself might of made him feel better in a way. A coping mechanism?

I know why Finn is Finn though. With a name like Florian Phineas Horatio Aldebrant, Esquire? I'd want to be called Finn too. XD

[Amondra]

*Cries* I saw on you tube the rival talks with Anders after the Chantry. I don't want to lose him to Vengeance!! I know it is going to happen because I doubt Bioware will do something to appease the fan girls of Anders...but still, I really don't want to see him go that way or my Hawke having to kill him. I loved them both(Anders and Justice) and I want to save them both, without death! *cries more* I want a half ass decent ending! I know we have fanficion but still....