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[Avilia]

Nice one Sarah. I can see a teenage Anders having just that conversation with Irving. Possibly more than once. :-)

Edit - oh yes, a ToP.  While I'm eating and don't have my gaming box open for new shots.  Fine then.  Have an old one:



Ceri approves +1m

Modifié par Avilia, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:15 .

[jenncgf]

Nice one, Sarah!

[SurelyForth]

Anders would learn that in time or he would die. Either way, he would have no one to blame but himself and Irving sincerely hoped that, however things turned out for him, it would be worth it.

This is what I theorize Irving actually thought. As much as I love Anders and totally, totally understand why he hated the tower and wanted to be free, I can see how it would be intensely frustrating for Irving if he had any sort of concern for him at all, knowing what the templars could do to him and get away with.

Great story, Sarah.

Avilia's picture reminded me. Since Witch Hunt refuses to play for me, I decided to gallop through the beginning of Awakening. 

I think it's been awhile since I last played Origins. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:39 .

[LupusYondergirl]

Well, Origins has the major flaw of not including Anders.

I want Origins, minus Wynne, plus Anders. With an Anders romance.



And Sarah, I love that. I can totally see Irving's side, but no teenager would ever look at it that way.

[Avilia]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Well, Origins has the major flaw of not including Anders.
I want Origins, minus Wynne, plus Anders. With an Anders romance.

And Sarah, I love that. I can totally see Irving's side, but no teenager would ever look at it that way.

This.  So much this.

[Zjarcal]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Well, Origins has the major flaw of not including Anders.
I want Origins, minus Wynne, plus Anders. With an Anders romance.

Even as a not in love with Anders gal (I do love him, just not like that), I totally approve of this!

[Galagraphia]

 

Miri1984 wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Speaking of harems, whatever happened to your idea for a fic with all of the Anders-paired Wardens, Miri?
(I find the idea of normally asskicking Wardens catfighting over a guy endlessly amusing)

It's being worked on . Although I'm slightly nervous about throwing Brand into the mix. All the other girls are mages. I figure they may actually talk to each other before exploding things. Brand would just go in swinging .

I think it would be more fun to replace my Marina with Rhiamon. The former will fireball Anders and run away, but the latter will definately be very excited. "Hey, a mage orgy! I wish I could tell Zevran about it and make Wynne watch! I'd love to see her expression!"

Sarah, I love your fic! This is how I see it myself. Though I approve of Anders anyway, because after each escape he was telling Rhiamon and Jowan epic stories about the Kingdom of Freedom and it was fun.

[SurelyForth]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Well, Origins has the major flaw of not including Anders.
I want Origins, minus Wynne, plus Anders. With an Anders romance.
 

Yeah, the lack of Anders is really trying my patience as I try to push Ron Mahariel through. 

And Anders in Origins would break me with the banter alone. Having him around would seriously challenge Zevran and Morrigan in their endeavors to make Alistair blush as much as humanly possible. 

Also, a romance would be awesome. Of course, they'd probably add a completely unneeded element to his personality to give the player a sense that they were making him a better person or to add drama or some ****. I'd just want Anders, only an Anders with whom stuff can be done and conversations had and oh, the banter. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 septembre 2010 - 05:26 .

[Galagraphia]

SurelyForth wrote...
Also, a romance would be awesome. Of course, they'd probably add a completely unneeded element to his personality to give the player a sense that they were making him a better person or to add drama or some ****. I'd just want Anders, only an Anders with whom stuff can be done and conversations had and oh, the banter. 

What I love about Anders is that he doesn't have this thing about making him better. It always seems not right to me when a player has an option to "harden" or "soften" NPC. It's like they are children and PC is the only adult and can influence everyone's personality. And Anders is fully formed personality, solid. I like it. It makes him more realistic.

[Galagraphia]

 Maker, I killed the tread! Oh noes!

[Avilia]

Galagraphia wrote...

 Maker, I killed the tread! Oh noes!

[snipped]

Quick!  Combat rez ;-)

I agree with your point about hardening/non hardening.  It might just be because I'm newish to RPG's but I found that whole thing a bit manipulative.

I particularly liked Anders and Nate because they have set personalities.  The only real change is that they are friendlier to you (well Nate is - Anders is always friendly).

[Galagraphia]

Avilia wrote...
I agree with your point about hardening/non hardening.  It might just be because I'm newish to RPG's but I found that whole thing a bit manipulative.

It does seem manipulative in Dragon Age because it takes 1 sentence to change a person. It wasn't like this in, for example, Baldur's Gate II where I was trying to make Viconia less b*tchy  all the time and the progress was slow. Though in Dragon Age it was not as much ridiculous as in Mass Effect. Lol, I told Alenko: "Aliens are bad. Hate them!" And he said: "Yes, ma'am!" Good boy 

Awakening companions are more realistic because they don't change so easly. They don't change at all, we just get to know them better during the game.

[SurelyForth]

Leliana takes some work. Although I almost always harden her, it makes me feel like a complete puppetmaster.
Alistair, on the other hand, is given such short shrift, but it makes hardening him fairly easy, which is good. It's pretty much compulsory for me since it makes sense to me for him to be hardened by his experiences during the game. 

Anders, though, is perfect the way he is. Well, once he stops telling my Warden to just die, already. <_<

[Galagraphia]

SurelyForth wrote...
Anders, though, is perfect the way he is. Well, once he stops telling my Warden to just die, already. <_<

I thought he was telling it to the monsters. For his commander he has this hilarious line: "Just because you're the commander..." He always tells me this when I order him to attack the talking darkspawn who wants to kill Varel.

And I've found another guy with Anders' voice, this time it's one of the royal soldiers at Ostagar. He says "Hail you" There he is (the dude behind him is my Ray "Culders" Amell XD):

[Wedger]

I thought the talking darkspawn ("It does talk") wanted to be keeping Varel, as there had been too much killing already. Which i never understood cuz he just kicked a fellow off the ledge...

[SurelyForth]

Wedger wrote...

I thought the talking darkspawn ("It does talk") wanted to be keeping Varel, as there had been too much killing already. Which i never understood cuz he just kicked a fellow off the ledge...

I don't think the Withered knew what it wanted. Varel (dreamy sigh) definitely thought he was a dead man, since the first thing he does is thanks the Warden for saving his life. 

And I got the just die, already whilst running around the courtyard just after his Joining. Then I indulged his statuary fetish and things started looking up.

To complete the randomness of this post, can I say his "Oooh, for me? Ooooo!" is my favorite companion gift reaction? <3

Modifié par SurelyForth, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:41 .

[LupusYondergirl]

Here's my prompt response...  c'mon, formatting gods, be good to me!
written in about 50 min, with 10 min of editing.  (writing was split in half, though, thanks to a phone call from my sister).
Formatting ACK!

Turncoat
“So why do you hate Irving so much?”

Anders looked over, rolling his eyes. Did she really need to ask? But no, Maggie was staring at him with an expression of curiosity on her face. “You’re serious?”

A sigh. “No, Anders. I’m asking since I adore the sound of my own voice. Next I’ll sing!” She took a sip of her wine and grinned at him, leaning back on her elbows by the fire. “Don’t make that face at me. I’m not nearly drunk enough to subject you to my singing. Come on, I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t curious! Tell me.”

“I just can’t believe I even have to explain it to you. Why don’t you hate him? That seems like a better question.”

“He’s nice,” Maggie said simply.

Anders groaned. She wasn’t stupid. Far from it, most of the time. Nathaniel was right, though. For someone that killed things almost every day, and had for years, she was far too naïve. “Mags, you’ll need to elaborate more than that.”

“I don’t know,” she said, waving a hand and spilling wine on the carpet. “Oh, damn.” He suppressed a groan as she wiped it up with the sleeves of her robe. “There. Fixed. So… Irving?” Anders nodded. Maybe this conversation should have waited for when they weren’t three bottles of wine into the evening. “He was nice to me.”

“Of course he was. You were his little primal-magic star. Do you know how many of his classes I sat in where he said ‘oh, well, the girl I mentor could do this in her seventh year’? I didn’t even know your name and wanted to punch you!”

“Well, thank you, darling,” she replied, rolling her eyes. “Good to know!”

“I don’t now,” Anders laughed. “I probably wouldn’t have then if I knew who he was talking about. I’ll forgive a lot for a pretty face.”

She giggled at that before going on. “If Irving caught me out after lights-out or with some guy or stealing something he’d let me get away with it unless a templar saw, too.”

“Ah-ha!” Anders said, pouncing on the last words. And speaking of, he heard a hissing noise and looked over just in time to see Ser Pounce leaping from one of the bedposts onto the back of Maggie’s mabari, Isolde.

“Ah-ha?” she repeated before turning to look at the commotion. “Hey! Leave my dog alone!”
“He won’t listen to you,” Anders said. He snapped his fingers and the cat jumped down, walking over and curling up on his lap. “He only listens to me.”

“I know that,” she said. “He shredded one of my shirts the other day.”

“That shirt was disgusting. It was covered in blood stains and holes.”

“I wear it under my armor, what should it look like?! Anyways, what’s ‘ah-ha!’”

“The… thing you said,” Anders replied, glancing at his own glass and realizing half of it had been spilled onto the cat. No wonder there were claws digging into his legs. “Off, cat!” After refilling his drink he went on. “Unless a templar saw, too.” That thing.”

“Yeah? What about it?”

“He’s one of us. He should be on our side. But no, he bends for the templars every time.”

“What choice does he have?”

“Doesn’t make it right,” Anders insisted. “And did you forget how he was going to make your best friend tranquil on one templar’s word?”

“No,” she sighed. “Did you forget the part of the story where Jowan was a blood mage, though?” Maggie refilled her drink and made a face. “Besides, it all worked out. He got out, I got out. And now Jowan’s one of us! I couldn’t be happier with the outcome, although I do wish people would stop naming their children after me. When his daughter starts walking around it’s going to get awfully confusing. Confusing enough with Oghren’s daughter always getting screamed at by Felsi.” She looked into space blankly for a moment. “Anyways,” Maggie went on, train of thought recovered. “Poor Lily got the shaft but I didn’t really think she was good enough for him, anyways. So the Jowan thing, it ended all right.”

“She wasn’t good enough for the blood mage?”

Maggie stretched her leg, kicking him. “Hey! Did you forget that he’s not the only blood mage around here? It’s not like we’re monsters.”

Anders groaned. “No, I didn’t forget. I do blame him, though. He’s the one who taught you.”

“It’s kept your ass alive,” she snapped, slamming her glass down. “More than once I might add!”

Anders shifted backwards, not wanting to get any further into this conversation. Again. Especially when her hands were pressed against the floor like that and a veritable ice skating rink was forming around her. “Look, let’s drop the blood magic discussion. I don’t want argue. We were talking about the Circle.” He offered her an apologetic glance and, to his relief, she relaxed slightly. The ‘blood magic is evil/blood magic saves our lives’ fight was bad enough when they were both sober. When drunk… it would probably put the structural integrity of the Keep’s east wing to the test.

“I hate when you do that,” Maggie said finally. “Like deep down you think I’m some kind of monster. Three years together and you still get hung up on the blood magic thing.”

“I know,” he sighed. “I’m sorry. But… well, think of Irving,” he said, hoping to change the subject before they started fighting again. “See, I don’t like blood magic, but I can look past it since I know you’re not a bad person, and you don’t have bad intentions. He wouldn’t. He’d just say ‘the Chantry forbids blood magic’ and that would be it. Off with your head. He can’t think for himself.”

Maggie nodded. “He would,” she admitted. “But like I said. What choice does he have? We’re free, but he’s not. He’s just as stuck under the Chantry’s thumb as every other mage in the Circle.”

“I don’t bloody care!” Anders exclaimed. “It’s disgusting. He’s supposed to advocate for us. He’s supposed to guide us. Irving’s a mage and he practically works for the templars. He takes their word over any mage, he does whatever they say.”

She sighed. “I just don’t see what option he has.”

“There’s always an option,” Anders insisted. “Rebellion is an option. Refusal is an option. Putting your damn foot down once in a while is an option. He doesn’t do anything to make our lives better, he never has. He just works to keep us all in our place!” He put his hands to his forehead, pushing his hair back with a groan of frustration.
“He is a thousand times worse than the Templars,” Anders finally said. “They have their job to do. I hate their job, but I understand. That’s why they exist and we’re just on different sides of the fight. He shouldn’t be on their side, though. Not when he’s a mage. Everything he does is just to keep that whole disgusting system running smoothly. He’s never even tried to make life better for the mages. Irving tells us to accept our lot in life and stop fighting to get out of our cage.” He looked over, Maggie was watching him and listening. Anders finally managed to come up with something she wouldn't dismiss as 'what choice is there.' "Look, what would you do if Bann Ceorlic's father walked in right now?"

"Cut his damn traitor head off," she replied promptly. "He turned Queen Moira over to the Orlesians, what do you think I'd do? What does that have to do with anything?"

"Exactly" Anders said. "Well, that's Irving for you. He's a mage working to keep us all in chains, just like the Ferelden nobles who worked for Orlais. The were a thousand times worse than the Orlesians since they turned on their own people. That's Irving. He's turned on mages to work for the Chantry and the Circle. That's why I hate him."

"All right," Maggie said after a moment. "I can understand your point."

"Thank you," Anders said, glad he was able to explain it.

"And it doesn't have anything to do with the time he caught you with a girl and said 'Another one, Anders? This is the fourth time this week!,' and she got so mad that she told everyone who would listen that you were a cad and a lecher?"

He colored slightly. "No!" Anders insisted.

"And it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that no girl would give you the time of day for months after?"

"Not at all."

She laughed. "Funny, since that's not what I heard you telling Oghren."

"I hate you," he muttered.

"Oh, you do not," she giggled, crawling over to where he sat on the floor and kissing him on the cheek.

"All right," he said, grinning despite himself. "I don't."

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 11 septembre 2010 - 07:30 .

[Miri1984]

Fabulous! I love that he's built this incredibly complex moral justification for it but when it gets down to it its all about the girls . Lovely work.

[Avilia]

That was great fun :-)

[Avilia]

SurelyForth wrote...

[snipped]

To complete the randomness of this post, can I say his "Oooh, for me? Ooooo!" is my favorite companion gift reaction? <3

I always imagine the wiggle to go with it.

Oooh, for me.  Oooo (wiggle).

[jenncgf]

Lupus, I liked it!    It was fun  

[Galagraphia]

@LupusYondergirl, awesome! The last part just killed me! XD

[Miri1984]

I wanted to have a prompt fill to save Anders from the second page but RL is interfering. So here is something yummy instead:







I love this piece so much, Gala. The expressions are amazing. By the way - you said that Rhiamon and Anders had a thing but she left him for Cullen, right? So where exactly does Marina fit in? I can't read your fic in Russian unfortunately so you'll have to give me the short version in English if you can



This is all research for the harem piece!

[Sarah1281]

@LupusYondergirl: Oh, that was awesome! Anders had a lot of good points and so did Maggie...and then he was also peeved about the girls. I suppose, in his defense, Oghren was probably more interested in that other reason.

[Galagraphia]

Miri1984 wrote...
I love this piece so much, Gala. The expressions are amazing. By the way - you said that Rhiamon and Anders had a thing but she left him for Cullen, right? So where exactly does Marina fit in? I can't read your fic in Russian unfortunately so you'll have to give me the short version in English if you can

This is all research for the harem piece!

Thank you. ^___^

Rhia and Anders were friends in the Tower, until she cornered him and said that she was afraid of being made tranquil and blah-blah-blah, so she sort of seduced him. And she continued this after she conscripted him. They were just having fun. Well, Rhia was, Anders wasn't because Rhiamon was calling another man's name after falling asleep, and this was like an insult to him 
Then they rescued Marina from Architect's prison. She was wounded and told them to leave her, but Anders healed her instead and she joined them as Rhiamon's second as it was planned before the darkspawn attack. And soon after that Anders and Marina fell for each other and Rhiamon eventually realized that she needed another man.

And a picture, my favourite screenshot, thanks to disciples and their spells for lighting: