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Anders: he didn't do it, but HE WILL! (DAO spoilers, may contain DAII spoiles)


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Miri1984

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I love that screenshot too. I'm so desperate to get through my current Origins playthrough so I can start Awakening again :(.

Sooo.. who's name was Rhiamon calling out? Cullen's? Or did she have a romance with Zev or Alistair?

Edited for TOP - I imagine Anders' face would have been something like this when he heard Rhiamon calling someone else's name:

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Modifié par Miri1984, 12 septembre 2010 - 04:12 .


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She had romance with everybody XD But was calling Cullen, yes. Perhaps it was because of the voice. Cullen and Anders sometimes sound alike :)

And the picture:

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Galagraphia wrote...

Cullen and Anders sometimes sound alike :)
And the picture:
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Arh....our dear friend Sweetfoxy's master piece.

Greg Ellis, dear. What a smexy voice.

(Dear Greg is currently shooting PC 4, according to his FB.)

Tank

Modifié par tankgirly, 12 septembre 2010 - 10:51 .


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Looks like he has a big role there finally. They even named his character
lol, Greg Ellis with ponytail is win XD

Modifié par Galagraphia, 12 septembre 2010 - 11:12 .


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Yeah, he only got a line of two in the previous three movies! I usually closed my eyes when the character started to talk and imagine it was Anders there.....(gosh, I am crazy)...



XD

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You're not the only one XD

Though I like how he looks in that outfit :3 It makes me think of that epilogue where Anders flees Ferelden with Isabela.

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Mmm, it seems out of our female protagonists, Neria is the most innocent! My money's on Maggie though if it comes to a fight...

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Miri1984 wrote...

Mmm, it seems out of our female protagonists, Neria is the most innocent! My money's on Maggie though if it comes to a fight...


Have I mentioned Brand is a Spirit Warrior who never takes Spellward off? Between that and her dex, she's pretty much impossible for anyone to hit.

So, note to the rest of the harem, should it come down to a fight*, it would behoove you all to attack the hell out of her before going for each other. Even if she's not participating, it's just a good idea. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 12 septembre 2010 - 05:10 .


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Miri1984 wrote...

Mmm, it seems out of our female protagonists, Neria is the most innocent! My money's on Maggie though if it comes to a fight...

Yeah, if we remove Marina from the party, then Neria is the next most innocent :)

SurelyForth wrote...
Have I mentioned Brand is a Spirit Warrior who never takes Spellward off? Between that and her dex, she's pretty much impossible for anyone to hit.

So, note to the rest of the harem, should it come down to a fight*, it would behoove you all to attack the hell out of her before going for each other. Even if she's not participating, it's just a good idea. 


Is she immune to magic? Lol, we need a pvp mod )))) We could have a real cat fight then :)

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Miri1984 wrote...

Mmm, it seems out of our female protagonists, Neria is the most innocent! My money's on Maggie though if it comes to a fight...

Well, causing death and destruction is pretty much her only useful skill she has. At least that she can talk about out loud.  :devil:

As for innocence... depends on the use of the word.  Sexually?  Maggie wouldn't even understand the concept if she had a dictionary and several chantry-approved diagrams to explain it.  She's got that weird odd-socialization thing, though, where she tends to take everything at face value since she's so straightforward. She's gotten better, but some things still sail right over her head. (like... reaction to two nobles marrying out of the blue and the wife not appearing outside suddenly... 'how sad she's sick.' while everyone else figured out it was probably a '****... better get hitched or this kid will be a bastard' situation.) So maybe more naive than innocent...

If 'her' Anders wasn't such a ******-poor liar it would probably be pretty easy for him to convince her of anything. Well... maybe, since he'd also be working against her violent temper, massive abandonment complex, and raging jealousy, which form a delightful stew of pure crazy.

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Have I
mentioned Brand is a Spirit Warrior who never takes Spellward off?
Between that and her dex, she's pretty much impossible for anyone to hit.

So, note to the rest of the harem, should it come down to a fight*, it would behoove you all to attack the hell out of her before going for each other. Even if she's not participating, it's just a good idea. 

Hehe.... blood wound is a physical resistance check, and blood control is mental resistance, neither use spell resistance.  :whistle:

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 12 septembre 2010 - 05:29 .


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Galagraphia wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

Mmm, it seems out of our female protagonists, Neria is the most innocent! My money's on Maggie though if it comes to a fight...

Yeah, if we remove Marina from the party, then Neria is the next most innocent :)

SurelyForth wrote...
Have I mentioned Brand is a Spirit Warrior who never takes Spellward off? Between that and her dex, she's pretty much impossible for anyone to hit.

So, note to the rest of the harem, should it come down to a fight*, it would behoove you all to attack the hell out of her before going for each other. Even if she's not participating, it's just a good idea. 


Is she immune to magic? Lol, we need a pvp mod )))) We could have a real cat fight then :)


In Origins, no. She gets Crushing Prisoned and Misdirection Hexed all over the place. By the end of Awakening, though, she's pretty much invincible. The Mother on Nightmare is the only thing that can stop her (and that's with all the friendly fire damage). Focused attack from three or four mages at the same level could probably do the job, though. Some of those spells have to hit! :lol:

@Lupus You would have to go with Blood Control, mental resistance is her biggest weakness (unsurprisingly for a non-Templar warrior). Her physical resistance is close to 100. I would also recommend sending her to a corner during this, or someplace far away. She's accidentally killed Anders with Aura of Pain activated. 

BTW This is all stuff I agonize over while writing my fics. She really is hell on wheels, and practically death proof to boot. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 12 septembre 2010 - 05:57 .


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Re: prompt fill:
@Avilia, jenncgf, Galagraphia: Thank you!  I wanted to do something a bit more fun since I was so mean to Anders in my last fill.  This was my second attempt, I scratched the first since it was another one where Anders got beat up by templars far too much.  I can't torture him two weeks in a row.

Miri1984 wrote...

Fabulous! I love that he's built this incredibly complex moral justification for it but when it gets down to it its all about the girls :). Lovely work.

Sarah1281 wrote...

@LupusYondergirl: Oh, that was awesome!
Anders had a lot of good points and so did Maggie...and then he was
also peeved about the girls. I suppose, in his defense, Oghren was
probably more interested in that other reason. :P


I'd like to think both reasons are equally true.  Perhaps the girls came first, and while he was stewing about that in all his newly acquired free time the other reason occurred to him. 
But yes, the version he tells his significant other is vastly different from what his drinking buddy would want to hear.  Since Oghren?  He couldn't care less about the intricacies of mage politics even if it was explained via the medium of dancing hallucinatory pink elephants.

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SurelyForth wrote...
BTW This is all stuff I agonize over while writing my fics. She really is hell on wheels, and practically death proof to boot. 


I know the feeling.  Mages are such a game-breaker, too, so I've got that to worry about as well.  Like, in my fic Maggie and Sigrun had to defeat the Mother alone since Anders was healing Oghren... that was toning down the playthrough.  In the game everyone but her was down for the count right away and she just stood back flinging area of effect spells until it was dead and switching to arcane warrior talents and weapons whenever anything came close.

Plus there's the arcane warrior bug... which isn't a bug per se but it's a major flaw in the gameplay mechanics imo.  With that tree maxed out you basically can't get hurt while casting since you're half in the fade whenever you summon a spell.  So a high willpower mage with blood magic is almost literally 100% invulnerable.  Switch blood magic on and off and you never ever have to stop casting, which means you never actually exist in the physical plane for anyone to damage you.

I've solved it by just throwing larger numbers of enemies at her.  With conveniently placed templars on occasion to render her near-powerless.

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It's funny, this time around I've been building Neria according to what I've written about her in my fics and she ROCKS. Obviously I'm better at imagining a well rounded mage than playing through and building one. Funnily enough - situations where she needed to use certain spells came up in the fic so I built her with them and found that they were actually very useful!



I always have trouble with getting Anders at the beginning of Awakening because I'm not sure what to build him up as. The third specialisation is superfluous for him I find. Battlemage/Spirit Healer works suprisingly well.



As far as the harem fic is concerned, it's at the point where it ends as the girls meet each other and realise what Anders' has been doing. I shall see if I'm game enough to write the confrontation :).

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I usually give him Arcane Warrior for the third, just for the shields and +5 attack. The weapon stuff not so much, though. (although Keeper with the magic boost isn't bad, either, since he gets that even if you never unlock any of the talents.)

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I am in shock. Second page Anders is not happy. I, however, am whenever I look at this :)



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Can I say, I cannot wait to see your harem fic! (I'm also super-curious to see how you write Maggie)

and hey, I'll add a pic, too.
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As I said earlier in this thread, Arcane Warrior as the 3rd specialization is the only specialization that doesn't seem OOC.

I'm currently testing my build for Rhiamon I've created in fanfiction. So far she rocks. I call it "Flemeth build" because it was based on description of Flemeth powers with was given in "Stolen Throne" and shown in the game. GoA is the only true test though. If she'll be able to kill harvester on nightmare, then she really rocks.

And a screenshot of Anders, just for fun:
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I'm taking the harem fic very slowly, by the way - mainly because I'm only able to write a paragraph at a time and partially because I'm terrified of getting your characters wrong - a lot of research reading is going on :).



Far more nerve wracking to try to write the character of someone else's fanfic than to write straight fanfic, I've got to say! It's from Anders' point of view, though, so hopefully I won't stuff them up too much. At least we know David Gaider never reads fanfic - I think I'd just freeze up and die if I thought he might be going anywhere near my fics...



Two prompts to do - next chapter of Shades started - mmmm. Writing is a consuming business :). but it's all in service of Anders so that's ok.

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I LOVE that line. :D

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I know it's a bit late..(about two to three pages)...but I just learned how Anders was mentioned in the Witch Hunt DLC and now have a very sore tummy!



Srsly, Ser Pounc-A-Lot=Tiger?



And Miri, did you mentioned in your story that one of Anders' escape was swimming through the lake? Gosh, I think David, or at least one of the writers, is reading your ficcie!



Tank




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Prompt time! Finally!

I hate you.



He'd always been able to tell when someone was looking at him. Probably a side effect of the magic. But these eyes were boring into the back of his head. He leaned back in his chair, ignoring the disapproving look from the senior enchanter teaching the class - really, he knew all this already, what was the point... but his posture meant he could see in the window a reflection of two people who had come into the classroom. Wynne - the pompous old **** who taught healing (nowhere near as well as... she had taught him though) and someone else.

A tall man. Traces of brown - or dark blond in the mostly grey hair. Shadowed eyes. Impressive beard. He was dressed in what at first looked like senior enchanter robes, but they had subtle differences and Anders suddenly wondered if he was finally seeing the famous first enchanter. 

Off galavanting in the outside world for two months, he thought bitterly, while the rest of us get to stay locked up playing at scholarship when we could be out there doing something...


He turned around to get a better look, even less inclined than usual to care that Enchanter Tobin would get angry with him and probably make him.. oh, write an essay or something as punishment. The older man fixed him with a brown stare that held that look he'd gotten used to over the past few weeks. That look of what can you do. Or more precisely what can I use you for. They all had it, the seniors. They all looked at the apprentices as though they were pieces of meat - or coin. What can we get out of them? How much will they make us? How long can we use them?


He'd been stupidly hopeful, on the trip. He'd thought that circle mages might have been more like his mother - respect the power, use it for good. But some of them didn't even want their magic. 

He hated them. And he hated him most of all, he supposed. He wondered if he even knew what the Templars did when they found their precious little apprentices. He wondered if he knew they let innocent people die by interfering in things they didn't even understand. 

Two days later he was called into the First Enchanter's office.

"Anders," the man said, not even looking up from his papers. "Take a seat."

Anders crossed his arms over his chest and did his best I'm-a-sullen-fifteen-year-old stare. His stepfather had always laughed at that one. He doubted this man had ever laughed a day in his life. Irving looked up at him and sighed.

"Very well, if it pleases you to stand."

"You wanted to see me, First Enchanter," he said.

"The senior enchanters tell me that you're surprisingly well versed in magic already," he said. "They suspect you've been trained."

"What if I have?"

"The Templars want to know by whom."

Anders felt all the anger he'd been bottling up - and he hadn't even realised he'd been bottling it, truly, he honestly thought he'd been letting it go whenever he needed to - boil up to the surface in a rush.

"Well they're not going to find out," he said. "Do you think I'd betray another mage - any mage - to live in this **** of a place?"

The First enchanter winced at his language, but his eyes didn't change. "Anders, you know the Templars are going to search your hometown and its surrounds very thoroughly for whoever taught you. Chances are they'll find them in any case."

Not if they're already dead, he thought, the lance of pain that shot through him almost forcing tears from his eyes. "If I was taught by someone smart enough to avoid them this long, don't you think they'll know that too?" he said. "You're not going to make me betray them. No matter what you say."

The First Enchanter's eyes flashed with what Anders' thought was anger. "You won't tell us?"

He clamped his mouth shut and shook his head firmly. 

Irving let out another large sigh. "Well then, we're not torturers," aren't you? Anders thought, "so we'll let it rest for now. Hopefully eventually you'll understand it's for their own good. How are you settling in, otherwise?"

Anders blinked. "Settling in?"

"Yes, how are you finding things? Are you comfortable? Are you learning well?"

Anders opened his mouth in frank astonishment. How on Thedas could that man even ask the question of him?

"You truly want to know how I'm settling in?" he said. "Are you completely and utterly stupid?"

The older mage looked up and fixed Anders with a stare that was part icy and part... something totally undefinable. "I hope you find it in your heart to learn what you can from us, Anders," he said, as though Anders had said nothing at all, as though his words might as well have sunk into the ocean.

"Well, that's good for you, I suppose," Anders replied. "I'm told hope springs eternal."

"You may go."

He turned on his heel and left before he could let his mouth say anything that might actually get him into some trouble. 

Maker's breath, he thought. I truly hate that man.

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Oh, poor little Anders.

And part of me feels sorry for Irving too. He's trying to be nice but totally doesn't know how to communicate with a teenager.

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I like that. Knowing the background I wonder if irving had... personal reasons for wondering where the mage who taught Anders was.

But really, an adult apostate? He couldn't be so ignorant as to think they wouldn't just be killed automatically by the templars.

I just want to hug poor Anders by the end. Well, more than I always want to hug Anders. ;)

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By this stage Irving knows Joscelyn is dead - he's just playing the part :(. I'm a bit like Sarah in this case - I have a lot of sympathy for Irving, but as Anders says in your prompt fill, Lupus, he's a bit like a collaborator. But we do have to make allowances for the fact that Irving has been indoctrinated his entire life...



There'll be more on that in Fractures! Stay tuned, I'll be here all week! Try the veal! :)