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[keesio74]

If I have a hardened Alistair agree to marry Anora and I spare Loghain, from what i understand Alistair will leave the party but still accept the crown and they will indeed marry and rule together. My question is that (assuming the warden lives) what is Alistair dialog like after I spare Loghain? Is it a bit more hostile than if I killed Loghain? Or is everything pretty much the same (i.e. - Alistair eventually forgives you)?

[Gilsa]

If Loghain is still alive, Alistair is more hostile and wants to know how you both pulled it off. If Loghain dies, there is still bad blood between Alistair and the PC, but not as much. He's happy that Loghain is dead and doesn't have to dwell on it. He will move forward with his life with Anora.

[Demx]

I just finished the game where I hardened Alistiar married Anora, and sacrificed Loghain. You won't get to see Alistair until the post-coronation. Once I meet up with him again, I asked Alistair if he was still angry with me. He said no, and you did what was for the best. However, for me, his tone sounded harsh.

[Xandurpein]

I think that Alistair may eventually forgive you, but I think that you should assume that your friendship will be permanently broken. He will perhaps intellectually see that you did the right thing, but his heart still thinks differently, I believe.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 04 juin 2010 - 09:06 .

[Ymladdych]

Xandurpein wrote...

I think that Alistair may eventually forgive you, but your friendship will be permanently broken. He will intellectually see that you did the right thing, but his heart still thinks differently.

^^^  This is the feeling I get from his dialogue as well.  Plus you should realize that he acts pretty hateful and takes some nasty popshots at the female Warden who's romanced him.  So once it plays out, your PC might not care if he forgives her, because she may decide that she could never forgive him.  (Just an RP alternative if you don't want your character to be self-hating about the decision.)  But yeah, the Loghain redemption endings are butt-biting if you like Alistair.  It all boils down to what your character values and believes, though.

[Quicksilverk]

Siradix wrote...

I just finished the game where I hardened Alistiar married Anora, and sacrificed Loghain. You won't get to see Alistair until the post-coronation. Once I meet up with him again, I asked Alistair if he was still angry with me. He said no, and you did what was for the best. However, for me, his tone sounded harsh.

That's what happens alright.

My personal take on it is that if you didn't let Loghain live there'd be a lot of bad blood between Alistair and Anora as her father died a traitor. If he lives to sacrifice himself then he dies a hero. That should mean a lot to her and to me seems the best placation between the two monarchs. Otherwise you just tore her last family from her to replace her dead husband with his bastard half brother.

For Alistair, he tends to not think rationally at times, he wanted Loghain dead because of what he did to the Grey Wardens but with time he will more than likely come to see the sense in the decision. Then he'll be able to forgive (hopefully). I'm also guessing that he'd see a marked difference in Anora's behaviour.

[nos_astra]

Xandurpein wrote...

I think that Alistair may eventually forgive you, but I think that you should assume that your friendship will be permanently broken. He will perhaps intellectually see that you did the right thing, but his heart still thinks differently, I believe.

Yep, that was my impression from the dialogue, too.

[Giggles_Manically]

I think it also depends on what you say to him in Arl Eamons estate. I once said killing him wouldnt bring Duncan back, and then he sounded sad he exploded at me at the coronation. While the other time my dwarf noble got mad at him for throwing a tantrum, and then at that Coronation AListair sounded angrier.

[nos_astra]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I think it also depends on what you say to him in Arl Eamons estate. I once said killing him wouldnt bring Duncan back, and then he sounded sad he exploded at me at the coronation. While the other time my dwarf noble got mad at him for throwing a tantrum, and then at that Coronation AListair sounded angrier.

It depends on how you speak to him at the coronation and if Loghain survived the Blight. There also might be differences if you are warm, hostile or previously in ar romance with him.

Modifié par klarabella, 04 juin 2010 - 01:48 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Yah a previously Romanced FemWarden gets insulted practically, oh well only played two female wardens. Isint the Coronation like six months after the Blight ends though, that is a long time to hold on to something.

[nos_astra]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Yah a previously Romanced FemWarden gets insulted practically, oh well only played two female wardens. Isint the Coronation like six months after the Blight ends though, that is a long time to hold on to something.

No, the wedding is six months later. The coronation shortly after the Blight ends.

If I spare Loghain Alistair is never around to speak to my fem!Wardens at the coronation but I know the dialogue from the toolset and videos. They don't get insulted, he's only very bitter. Understandable.

Modifié par klarabella, 04 juin 2010 - 02:25 .

[SurelyForth]

klarabella wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Yah a previously Romanced FemWarden gets insulted practically, oh well only played two female wardens. Isint the Coronation like six months after the Blight ends though, that is a long time to hold on to something.

No, the wedding is six months later. The coronation shortly after the Blight ends.

If I spare Loghain Alistair is never around to speak to my fem!Wardens at the coronation but I know the dialogue from the toolset and videos. They don't get insulted, he's only very bitter. Understandable.

I take his line, given if Loghain and the Warden survive, that the PC "always was a lucky one" to be vaguely insulting, since pretty much every PC gets screwed over much more than Alistair does.

But it's mostly just bitterness. I dubbed that version of Alistair King Blondie Bitterpants. I actually hated him for a few days after I played through that scenario.

[nos_astra]

SurelyForth wrote...
I take his line, given if Loghain and the Warden survive, that the PC "always was a lucky one" to be vaguely insulting, since pretty much every PC gets screwed over much more than Alistair does.

Alistair: I don't think we have much to say to one another. You killed the archdemon. Well done.
Alistair: The Grey Wardens seem to be mighty curious as to just how you managed to pull that off without dying.
PC: I don't know, really.
Alistair: Somehow I'm not surprised. You're just lucky that way, right?

You mean this one? Yeah, that's pretty mean if you barely survived the Origin.

Edit:
Oh, there are two entries for the post-coronation one in alistair_main.dlg and one in epi_alistair.dlg.

Modifié par klarabella, 04 juin 2010 - 03:06 .

[Zjarcal]

Does the warden (especially a previously romanced female) get a chance to be mean to him in the conversations? If he's gonna be acting all hateful I'd like to have the option to tell him to go to hell.

[SurelyForth]

klarabella wrote...

Alistair: I don't think we have much to say to one another. You killed the archdemon. Well done.
Alistair: The Grey Wardens seem to be mighty curious as to just how you managed to pull that off without dying.
PC: I don't know, really.
Alistair: Somehow I'm not surprised. You're just lucky that way, right?

You mean this one? Yeah, that's pretty mean if you barely survived the Origin.

That's the one. Man, if I were actually the PC I don't think I would have been able to stop the outpouring of sarcasm at that. I was a HN when I did it and I really just wanted to poke him in the eye for being such an overdramatic jackhole about things. I get his frustration and his anger, but in a situation like that the good that was done should warrant more than threadbare civility.

Too bad you can't tell him how badly things could have turned out for him.

[keesio74]

Quicksilverk wrote...

My personal take on it is that if you didn't let Loghain live there'd be a lot of bad blood between Alistair and Anora as her father died a traitor. 

I actually played this ending last time - kill Loghain at Landsmeet and have Anora and Alistair marry. It seemed ok. Anora didn't seem hostile or anything and Alistair was fine. And it seems that their marriage went ok (I didn't have Alistair hardended) where she ruled and Alistair did his own thing as expected.

Modifié par keesio74, 04 juin 2010 - 03:08 .

[nos_astra]

SurelyForth wrote...
Too bad you can't tell him how badly things could have turned out for him.

Can things turn out more badly for him than this?

[Arthur Cousland]

I recruited and sacrificed Loghain mainly for the achievement for getting all possible endings, and with my warrior pc already being a templar, it seemed like the best playthrough for going this route, since Alistair was mainly sitting at camp througout the game.



While it would have been nice if Alistair wasn't upset with my warden for recruiting Loghain, it was also a good idea for the king to not be in harms way while fighting the darkspawn, so King Alistair didn't become another Cailan. Plus, while Loghain might not have died during the Landsmeet, he was brought along to be the sacrifice. Before Loghain does the killing blow, he reveals that he knows that this is why he was spared; him becoming a Grey Warden was his death sentence. For me, this was the only way to have Alistair become king, not go through Morrigan's ritual, and have my warden not die.

[Costin_Razvan]

Can things turn out more badly for him than this?

Uhm....yes they can.



Romance Alistair unhardened, then spare Loghain at Landsmeet, make Anora Queen and THEN execute him.



If that isn't worst, then I don't know what is.

[keesio74]

SurelyForth wrote...

But it's mostly just bitterness. I dubbed that version of Alistair King Blondie Bitterpants. I actually hated him for a few days after I played through that scenario.

Yeah Alistair was whiny and selfish. But I don't blame him. He is what 99% of people are. Look around the world at all the bad blood between different ethnic groups. They hate each other because of past deeds and the attitude of "I hate you because you screwed over my people". For Alistair it was Loghain who screwed over his people (Grey Wardens). Heck Loghain is guilty of this too, he hates Orlais so much that it caused his downfall. Cracks me up when people hate Alistair but like Loghain when they both have the same inability to look past their anger and think rationally. People who can move beyond this are exceptional and not the norm (otherwise racial/ethnic tensions would be much easier to overcome). It's easy for someone on the outside looking in to say "why don't you all just get along?". Easier said than done.

[SurelyForth]

klarabella wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
Too bad you can't tell him how badly things could have turned out for him.

Can things turn out more badly for him than this?

Depends on your perspective, and how vindictive your PC is. I may or may not imagine my PC who did this stopping by the castle, Loghain in tow, for dinners with Anora. On a semi-regular basis, of course.

[nos_astra]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Can things turn out more badly for him than this?

Uhm....yes they can.
Romance Alistair unhardened, then spare Loghain at Landsmeet, make Anora Queen and THEN execute him.
If that isn't worst, then I don't know what is.

Oh, that's cruel. Sure. But he'll be dead soon and dead men don't suffer.

[Costin_Razvan]

True enough, but at least he will have a few hours of contemplation, before Anora hangs him.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 juin 2010 - 03:18 .

[Tirigon]

I did that while my Warden was in love with Alistair and ... HE DUMPED HER!!!!!



He said there is no "us" anymore, but only "me and the woman who spared Duncan´s murderer" and then he wishes you luck and goes away.





It sucks, really...........

[Lintanis]

At least he gets the joy of marriage to Anora lol