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[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

So you would rather unleash something terrible on the world, that could destroy as much as a blight in the worst case then die to stop it?

Im not suicidal or anything, but to me giving my one life to save an entire nation is an easy descion. That's just me most people on the polls in my sig seem to put their own butts over the collective worlds it seems.

I don't think it will be as bad as the worst case scenario and if it does turn out to be then assuming it will manifest in the next thirty years then I would feel obligated to try and stop it.

The real threat of the Blight ins't the one Archdemon, powerful though it may be. One person (or dragon as the case may be) simply isn't going to be able to achieve the same kind of damage an army is. I do not believe that Morrigan/Flemeth would be so foolish as to not take into account the chances of the God baby being tainted and ending up an Archdemon again as that would start another Blight and (given that not rescuing you and Alistair is all it would take to keep the last one raging) so clearly whatever they plan to do with the kid they don't want another Blight starting up. If this child isn't going to have it's own darkspawn army then they simply cannot do as much damage as a Blight would in the same amount of time.

[phaonica]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I dont think that even with -100 approval with Alistair you can get him to refuse the DR. As long as you have a high enough coercion.

I suppose that negates any argument, then, that the player got themselves into that situation by being mean.

Leliana would get over I think eventually, she would most likely be mad as hell at you but would get over it in the end.

I'd hope so. And even if she didn't get over it and broke up with you over it, at least she'd be alive.

[Giggles_Manically]

Yah its much safer to destroy it then risk a whole sea of what ifs, and what could be's. Since Morrigan and Flemeth both hide stuff from me the whole game then politely screw them. I dont care if its Morrigan's one true desire, there is to many issues for me to even consider it.

[Sarah1281]

I understand it's a risk but I don't think it will be quite as bad as people are saying the worst-case scenario will be and since I only signed up to be a Warden because otherwise I'd DIE then I'm really not looking to get myself killed unnecessarily.

[Giggles_Manically]

To each their own, I found the US ending much more powerful then the DR ending. Seeing my Dwarf Noble at his funeral and seeing how his death aided Orzamar (outside of Harrowment) was pretty cool.

[adneate]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

To each their own, I found the US ending much more powerful then the DR ending. Seeing my Dwarf Noble at his funeral and seeing how his death aided Orzamar (outside of Harrowment) was pretty cool.

The problem with the funeral for me is the Grey Wardens show up, I'd like the option to bar every single member of the order from showing up and make sure my body doesn't go to with them to Weisshaupt.

[Giggles_Manically]

I really dont care that much about the Warden's do. I agree that you have to do harsh things to save your nation. I dont like their lying, since I would join if I knew what was up.



I loved in ME2 blowing off the Illusive Man and exlpoding his little base. That's what you get bub for sending me into a husk rush three times. Also his whole Cerberus is Humanity speech was just a tad creepy.

[Sarah1281]

adneate wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

To each their own, I found the US ending much more powerful then the DR ending. Seeing my Dwarf Noble at his funeral and seeing how his death aided Orzamar (outside of Harrowment) was pretty cool.

The problem with the funeral for me is the Grey Wardens show up, I'd like the option to bar every single member of the order from showing up and make sure my body doesn't go to with them to Weisshaupt.

If you're a dwarf then it doesn't go with them and if you're not they probably burn it and then just send the ashes along to Weisshaupt.

Your life can aid Orzammar a great deal, too, if you choose that boon. I especially hated it on the DN because (particularly if Bhelen's on the throne) Bhelen's plot to kill you worked after all but you did him a favor because your death will now increase his House's prestige and improve the image of the dwarves in the eyes of the Surfacers which helps with his more pro-Surface policies and you're safely out of the way...I like Bhelen but watching that ending pissed me off at him even though he wasn't even in it.

[Giggles_Manically]

Bhelen is pretty cool, when my DN who sided with him talked to him, he still seemed to have the whole insufficency complex going. I mean your older brother survives your best attempt to kill him, outlasts dad and Trian, and now is the only one who can get your kiester on the throne.



That has gotta sting.

[adneate]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I really dont care that much about the Warden's do. I agree that you have to do harsh things to save your nation. I dont like their lying, since I would join if I knew what was up.

I loved in ME2 blowing off the Illusive Man and exlpoding his little base. That's what you get bub for sending me into a husk rush three times. Also his whole Cerberus is Humanity speech was just a tad creepy.

I handed the base over to him on my very first playthrough since I thought it would give humanity the edge over all the other races in the galaxy, I never really thought it was gonna help defeat the Reapers since it's all their crap anyway. I was concerned with after the war with the reapers was won the Turians would try to pick a fight with humanity and collector technology would help the Alliance break their backs once and for all securing human military dominance and political control. Maybe it's just me since I consider this to be the best ending in ME1:

I left the council to die on every playthrough and I took the dark ritual on my first playthrough, so I don't what that makes me . . .

[Jestina]

My current Warden and Leli

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Bhelen is pretty cool, when my DN who sided with him talked to him, he still seemed to have the whole insufficency complex going. I mean your older brother survives your best attempt to kill him, outlasts dad and Trian, and now is the only one who can get your kiester on the throne.

That has gotta sting.

I've sided with him on DNs before and that is true but coming back to Orzammar to steal all the spotlight or being chancellor in Ferelden to an unhardened Alistair and having him need to deal with you regularly as Orzammar needs the Surface to survive but not really vice versa is much more so that then you finally obliging him and dying so you're not only neutralized but he can use your hero status to his political advantage (much like Anora does with Redeemer Loghain except she actually appeared to love him).

[Giggles_Manically]

adneate wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I really dont care that much about the Warden's do. I agree that you have to do harsh things to save your nation. I dont like their lying, since I would join if I knew what was up.

I loved in ME2 blowing off the Illusive Man and exlpoding his little base. That's what you get bub for sending me into a husk rush three times. Also his whole Cerberus is Humanity speech was just a tad creepy.

I handed the base over to him on my very first playthrough since I thought it would give humanity the edge over all the other races in the galaxy, I never really thought it was gonna help defeat the Reapers since it's all their crap anyway. I was concerned with after the war with the reapers was won the Turians would try to pick a fight with humanity and collector technology would help the Alliance break their backs once and for all securing human military dominance and political control. Maybe it's just me since I consider this to be the best ending in ME1:

I left the council to die on every playthrough and I took the dark ritual on my first playthrough, so I don't what that makes me . . .

To bad it looks like a pure renegade playthough is going straight over the cliffs at mach 10, if ME2 is any hint.
Yah I always save the council, going to the UN and Ottowa the year before ME1 came out really changed my views on how governments work.

Also I dont get where the hell the geth go if you dont go through them. I mean you have to fight them eventually or do they leave after soverign goes cabloom?

BTW Paragade is the way to play for me.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

adneate wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I really dont care that much about the Warden's do. I agree that you have to do harsh things to save your nation. I dont like their lying, since I would join if I knew what was up.

I loved in ME2 blowing off the Illusive Man and exlpoding his little base. That's what you get bub for sending me into a husk rush three times. Also his whole Cerberus is Humanity speech was just a tad creepy.

I handed the base over to him on my very first playthrough since I thought it would give humanity the edge over all the other races in the galaxy, I never really thought it was gonna help defeat the Reapers since it's all their crap anyway. I was concerned with after the war with the reapers was won the Turians would try to pick a fight with humanity and collector technology would help the Alliance break their backs once and for all securing human military dominance and political control. Maybe it's just me since I consider this to be the best ending in ME1:

I left the council to die on every playthrough and I took the dark ritual on my first playthrough, so I don't what that makes me . . .

To bad it looks like a pure renegade playthough is going straight over the cliffs at mach 10, if ME2 is any hint.
Yah I always save the council, going to the UN and Ottowa the year before ME1 came out really changed my views on how governments work.

Also I dont get where the hell the geth go if you dont go through them. I mean you have to fight them eventually or do they leave after soverign goes cabloom?

BTW Paragade is the way to play for me.

I think they leave after Sovereign is defeated. We find out in ME2 that the 'heretics' followed him because he promised them a future and he'd be a fool to give them everything up front even if he did intend to keep his promise. Once Sovereign is gone and Saren can't keep his promise then why stay? 

I always have the Council for two reasons. One, the turian councillor is just awesome. Most people in the game will at least eventually come around to liking you but he and Udina freaking hate you and I love it. Two, pissing off the rest of the galaxy by seizing control because you currently have the best fleet sounds like a really unsound long-term strategy, especially when you're still the newcomer. I was watching my renegade brother play the game earlier and all the non-humans seem to really hate you and humanity in general (but mostly you) for letting the Council die and taking over whereas they're just mildly annoyed at you if you save them just like they were in ME1. That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

[adneate]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

To bad it looks like a pure renegade playthough is going straight over the cliffs at mach 10, if ME2 is any hint.
Yah I always save the council, going to the UN and Ottowa the year before ME1 came out really changed my views on how governments work.

Also I dont get where the hell the geth go if you dont go through them. I mean you have to fight them eventually or do they leave after soverign goes cabloom?

BTW Paragade is the way to play for me.

The problem is the Turians they think they're so great and can't handle the fact that humanity is taking over, they're incompetent and war is very likely between the Systems Alliance though Alliance victory seems inevitable since they have a massive head start in terms of military forces and Human hedgemony over the entire Galaxy seems inevitable.

As for the Geth fleet well apparently they're stuck in an all out battle with the Citadel Fleet and can't break contact to engage the Alliance forces. Even on a paragon ending the Citadel Fleet is almost totally destroyed in the surprise attack and dispite losses rescuing the Destiny Ascension the Alliance still winds up with the largest fleet in the galaxy. In the Renegade ending the Citadel Fleet is virtually wiped out and the Alliance takes minor losses going from 3rd rate military power to Galatic Superpower in one battle and the Alliance's power is steadily growing.

[battle hunger]

phaonica wrote...

This is true. I will say that as a female character sending Alistair to do the DR, it didn't feel like Alistair was cheating. Yet playing as a male character *doing* the DR, it did feel like cheating because you don't get to discuss it first. At that moment, it does feel wrong, and some folks will refuse to do it because it's 'wrong'.

That's my main gist about it, the fact that I can't talk to her firsthand like you can with Alistair, so it does feel you're doing it behind her back in a way, but heh, can't always have what we want.

[adneate]

battle hunger wrote...

phaonica wrote...

This is true. I will say that as a female character sending Alistair to do the DR, it didn't feel like Alistair was cheating. Yet playing as a male character *doing* the DR, it did feel like cheating because you don't get to discuss it first. At that moment, it does feel wrong, and some folks will refuse to do it because it's 'wrong'.

That's my main gist about it, the fact that I can't talk to her firsthand like you can with Alistair, so it does feel you're doing it behind her back in a way, but heh, can't always have what we want.

Or as many have said you can refuse for exactly that reason and just make Alistair do it instead . . .

[battle hunger]

call me stupid but I think the dark ritual in itself is a terrible responsability, one I would never convince a friend to do in my place. I mean Alistair really freaks the hell out when you tell him the whole deal with the ritual (that it will produce a baby and stuff), so putting the guilt of doing it to someone else feels cowardly to me, but then again, doing the ritual in itself is cowardly *shrugs*

[adneate]

battle hunger wrote...

call me stupid but I think the dark ritual in itself is a terrible responsability, one I would never convince a friend to do in my place. I mean Alistair really freaks the hell out when you tell him the whole deal with the ritual (that it will produce a baby and stuff), so putting the guilt of doing it to someone else feels cowardly to me, but then again, doing the ritual in itself is cowardly *shrugs*

Well you aren't supposed to tell him all the details you're trying to make him do it not give him all the facts like an encyclopedia. Besides what if your Warden is female, you have to have him do it, since you certainly can't get Morrigan pregnant.

[phaonica]

adneate wrote...

battle hunger wrote...

phaonica wrote...

This is true. I will say that as a female character sending Alistair to do the DR, it didn't feel like Alistair was cheating. Yet playing as a male character *doing* the DR, it did feel like cheating because you don't get to discuss it first. At that moment, it does feel wrong, and some folks will refuse to do it because it's 'wrong'.

That's my main gist about it, the fact that I can't talk to her firsthand like you can with Alistair, so it does feel you're doing it behind her back in a way, but heh, can't always have what we want.

Or as many have said you can refuse for exactly that reason and just make Alistair do it instead . . .

I empathize with the 'it feels like cheating' thing. But why not ask Alistair to do it for you? And failing that, why not go through with it anyway, given the alternative?

call me stupid but I think the dark ritual in itself is a terrible responsability, one I would never convince a friend to do in my place. I mean Alistair really freaks the hell out when you tell him the whole deal with the ritual (that it will produce a baby and stuff), so putting the guilt of doing it to someone else feels cowardly to me, but then again, doing the ritual in itself is cowardly *shrugs* 

Ah, that's different then the scenario we were discussing, then. We were talking about not doing the DR specifically because you didn't want to 'cheat' on your LI.

[KnightofPhoenix]

adneate wrote...
I left the council to die on every playthrough and I took the dark ritual on my first playthrough, so I don't what that makes me . . .

A smart man.
We have seen the Turians reverse engineering reaper technology in secret. So why can't humanity do the same?

Anyways, as for US and DR. Ha, no way was I going to let what I thought was the only Cousland left alive, die. Especially not when he is being made King Consort.
Plus, I can never say no to Morrigan

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 juillet 2010 - 07:02 .

[Master Shiori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

adneate wrote...
I left the council to die on every playthrough and I took the dark ritual on my first playthrough, so I don't what that makes me . . .

A smart man.
We have seen the Turians reverse engineering reaper technology in secret. So why can't humanity do the same?

Anyways, as for US and DR. Ha, no way was I going to let what I thought was the only Cousland left alive, die. Especially not when he is being made King Consort.
Plus, I can never say no to Morrigan

Hah, isn't that he truth?

Honestly, I see the DR as Morrigan's reward for helping me deal with the Blight. The fact that it'll also save my life is a bonus.

But the whole thing really comes down to whether you trust her by that point or not. All my Wardens are either her lovers or BFF so agreeing to do it is a no brainer.
And if doing the DR allows me to have a future with Leli and spare her a whole lot of pain and sorrow than that' a small price to pay imo.

[Ashaman X]

In the course of the game, Morrigan asked me if I had ever thought of being together with her. I answered "Maybe, under the right circumstances", and so we became friends instead. So I suppose in a way the DR is the ultimate night of "what could have been", but I don't think my Mage will think on it too much in the future. He is a responsible guy, so if the baby does grow into a monster, her will track it down and do what is necesssary.



I also have the feeling that after all the celebrations at the end of the game, he would have sat down and spoke to Leliana about it, explained how he was still alive etc... I think she would understand that it wasn't cheating to hurt her, and that although he was a friend to Morrigan, he didn't love her in the way he does Leliana.



My Leliana was unhardened, so she would have been upset I think, but she would understand and accept it, and not let it be a festering problem.



My word, all this for a virtual character. Man, Bioware knows how to make characters get under your skin and into your heart!

[Master Shiori]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

So you would rather unleash something terrible on the world, that could destroy as much as a blight in the worst case then die to stop it?

Im not suicidal or anything, but to me giving my one life to save an entire nation is an easy descion. That's just me most people on the polls in my sig seem to put their own butts over the collective worlds it seems.

To quote Morrigan: "And what evidence do you have of this?"

Old Gods existed before and, as you can see, the world is still in one piece. In fact looking at it I'd say it's pretty much the same as it was, or maybe even worse off in some cases.

Morrigan may not be a saint who's out to make everyone's lives better, but she isn't a devil either. And she certainly isnt stupid. I find it hard to believe she'd try to make such a hard sell to you without having a backup plan in case you refuse, especially since Flemeth is supposed to be able to see the future.

Whatever her plan is it certainly won't be anything nearly as bad as the Blight and, depending on how you view the Chantry, Maker and Old Gods, may even turn out to be a good thing.
Imo, doing the US while there is an alternative is just plain stupid, unless you actually are suicidal.

[Yana Montana]