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Lenimph wrote...

I've pondering about what Marjolaine's feelings for Leliana were. Leliana's Song made it evident that their relationship was physical, removing any lingering doubts I had from Origins. I wouldn't say she loved Leliana because of the violence of her betrayal, but there's something obsessive about her feelings towards Leliana...

Bleh it's confusing... anyone else have any thoughts?

I don't know it's complex, after Leliana's song I'm confident they were sleeping together. Choose the jealousy line when Leliana and Marjolaine are fighting after Leliana first discovers the documents. However Marjolaine sees herself in Leliana, and as such Leliana's pleading only further drives home the fact that Marjolaine believes her betrayal is inevitable. Marjolaine had affection for Leliana but never to the same degree that Leliana did, Leliana wants to get the papers a give up being a Bard to run away with Marjolaine. Marjolaine on the other hand can never leave the life of a Bard it's the most important thing in the world to her, so faced with the choice between Leliana and the life she chooses the life. As to why she would throw Leliana into a dungeon to be raped and tortured, well she's come to the conclusion that Leliana is a threat and as such she wants to destroy her that just happened to be the best way for her to do it.

[Giggles_Manically]

As the ME team says : There is a difference between default and Canon. I have no problem with all male advertising, as long as they dont tie anything down to be the only version Im cool.

[Zeleen]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I think she treated her as one might treat a pet. She was fond of her but she didn't really treat her as an equal. She did make the effort to convince Leliana to let the treason go but once it became clear that Leliana wouldn't (even if she misconstrued Leliana's blatantly stated motives and decided that someone who pointed out that she knew something damning about her would secretly betray her) then she decided that she had to 'put her down.' She didn't look happy about this or even indifferent but mildly upset like if she had to have a dog she had put to sleep but she either wasn't very fond of the dog or wasn't capable of intense emotions.

I had the same type of feeling about it..  as though she was almost without feelings

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Zeleen wrote...

I had the same type of feeling about it..  as though she was almost without feelings

I don't know if she has no feelings, I think she has stunted or damaged feelings and human responses. I doubt she can feel empathy for another person and likely she can't understand the consequences of her actions. I'd diagnose her with a moderate case of antisocial personality disorder.

[Sarah1281]

Since they do always do default boys if they did a default girl it really would make it seem like, say, the CE was canonically female and aside from KotOR (which, being Star Wars, had to have canon) is there really any canon to be found in Bioware games? I guess ME2 has some in that you don't commit suicide by sex or kill off every last party member so you don't make it through the suicide mission but that's just mandatory for having a sequel and is the equivalent of saying that no matter how many times the High Dragon at Haven kills you, your Warden still 'canonically' did not die there.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

Since they do always do default boys if they did a default girl it really would make it seem like, say, the CE was canonically female and aside from KotOR (which, being Star Wars, had to have canon) is there really any canon to be found in Bioware games? I guess ME2 has some in that you don't commit suicide by sex or kill off every last party member so you don't make it through the suicide mission but that's just mandatory for having a sequel and is the equivalent of saying that no matter how many times the High Dragon at Haven kills you, your Warden still 'canonically' did not die there.

Snu Snu!

[Sarah1281]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Since they do always do default boys if they did a default girl it really would make it seem like, say, the CE was canonically female and aside from KotOR (which, being Star Wars, had to have canon) is there really any canon to be found in Bioware games? I guess ME2 has some in that you don't commit suicide by sex or kill off every last party member so you don't make it through the suicide mission but that's just mandatory for having a sequel and is the equivalent of saying that no matter how many times the High Dragon at Haven kills you, your Warden still 'canonically' did not die there.

That was not what I meant.

Just ignore me. I'm too tired to argue, and I'm not good at arguing even when I'm not.

Oh, I think I know what you meant. If it's not geared towards one specific gender then it's defaulted to boy but if it's a girl main character then it's a girl thing. I was just speculating on why they mentioned them as guys and explaining more about why I'm not worried about a canon male Hawke.

[Lenimph]

adneate wrote...

I don't know it's complex, after Leliana's song I'm confident they were sleeping together. Choose the jealousy line when Leliana and Marjolaine are fighting after Leliana first discovers the documents. However Marjolaine sees herself in Leliana, and as such Leliana's pleading only further drives home the fact that Marjolaine believes her betrayal is inevitable. Marjolaine had affection for Leliana but never to the same degree that Leliana did, Leliana wants to get the papers a give up being a Bard to run away with Marjolaine. Marjolaine on the other hand can never leave the life of a Bard it's the most important thing in the world to her, so faced with the choice between Leliana and the life she chooses the life. As to why she would throw Leliana into a dungeon to be raped and tortured, well she's come to the conclusion that Leliana is a threat and as such she wants to destroy her that just happened to be the best way for her to do it.

That's sorta how I saw it. She saw Leliana as a threat to continue the life she wanted keep, but also justified her actions by saying that Leliana was the same as her. To me  Marjolaine's face at the end of the dlc looked like to me a stubborn **** who didn't get her point across, refusing to believe she was wrong about Leliana's intentions.   

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Lenimph wrote...

That's sorta how I saw it. She saw Leliana as a threat to continue the life she wanted keep, but also justified her actions by saying that Leliana was the same as her. To me  Marjolaine's face at the end of the dlc looked like to me a stubborn **** who didn't get her point across, refusing to believe she was wrong about Leliana's intentions.   

I think Leliana's desire to run away in the DLC is very much keeping with her character in Origins, she's an orphan and as such she holds on very tight to those she care about. It's that very pleading that spurns Marjolaine to betray her, since she can never stop being a Bard. Marjolaine's "We are the same" line at the end is critical since for Marjolaine it excuses any wrong doing on her, she need to believe it or else she might think about what she has done.

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Do you like mods? Do you like Leliana? Do you think the Sacred Ashes armor she was wearing was pretty cool?

[Lenimph]

adneate wrote...

Do you like mods? Do you like Leliana? Do you think the Sacred Ashes armor she was wearing was pretty cool?

Thats very well done <3  Too bad I play console 

[PickledGear]

adneate wrote...

Do you like mods? Do you like Leliana? Do you think the Sacred Ashes armor she was wearing was pretty cool?

Huzzah more accurate armor XD I'll have to postpone my A Bard's Love video for this armor to be more accurate

[mellifera]

adneate wrote...

Do you like mods? Do you like Leliana? Do you think the Sacred Ashes armor she was wearing was pretty cool?

That is very cool. I hope the bust size isn't only available in that size when released

[Myusha]

...Lazy Bioware. A dang modder made that armor while you didn't.

And about Marjolaine...I understood what she meant. Even if Leliana didn't have any intent of betrayal at the time, just disagreeing with Marjolaine showed that Leliana was willing to defy her, and despite whatever concerns she may hold, betray her, since Leliana reminded Marjolaine so fondly of herself, and of her own traitorious nature. While a sad tale, Leliana's attachment to Marjolaine is what caused the betrayal. And it makes a tragic character who we meet in Origins.



This is why I love her.

[Ashaman X]

In many ways, I see Leli as in over her a head a bit with Marjolaine in the DLC. I base this on the fact that despite being a bard, she didn't have many, if any friends as she grew up after her mom died. Although she can read people very well, there are some parts she just can't see. I think it also lead her to forming toxic attachments to someone like Marjolaine, as she simply didn't know better. Marjolaine is also a super master manipulator, so I guess it was easy for her as well to train Leli well, but leave some things out..



I have to admit, the scene where Leli sees Marjolaine lures the Arl/Captain (can't remember) away to plant the papers kind of broke my heart. Poor Leli really looks confused and lost. I think that for her, that's when it all started going downhill.

[Zeleen]

yukidama wrote...

adneate wrote...

Do you like mods? Do you like Leliana? Do you think the Sacred Ashes armor she was wearing was pretty cool?

That is very cool. I hope the bust size isn't only available in that size when released

 just tell me when and where?

[Zeleen]

Ashaman X wrote...

In many ways, I see Leli as in over her a head a bit with Marjolaine in the DLC. I base this on the fact that despite being a bard, she didn't have many, if any friends as she grew up after her mom died. Although she can read people very well, there are some parts she just can't see. I think it also lead her to forming toxic attachments to someone like Marjolaine, as she simply didn't know better. Marjolaine is also a super master manipulator, so I guess it was easy for her as well to train Leli well, but leave some things out..

I have to admit, the scene where Leli sees Marjolaine lures the Arl/Captain (can't remember) away to plant the papers kind of broke my heart. Poor Leli really looks confused and lost. I think that for her, that's when it all started going downhill.

yep! downhill from there for sure... not knowing her mom's love for long I believe Leli looked for love in the wrong places!  She was ripe for Marjolaine to pick and devour.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

As the ME team says : There is a difference between default and Canon. I have no problem with all male advertising, as long as they dont tie anything down to be the only version Im cool.

The ME movie that is in the making will, for all intents and purposes, impose a canon version.
Unless it deals with events outside the two games.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

As the ME team says : There is a difference between default and Canon. I have no problem with all male advertising, as long as they dont tie anything down to be the only version Im cool.

The ME movie that is in the making will, for all intents and purposes, impose a canon version.
Unless it deals with events outside the two games.

I hope it does. I mean, the game is enough like a movie already. But any mention/came from Shepard will force a canon gender and appearance.

[epoch_]

adneate wrote...

Do you like mods? Do you like Leliana? Do you think the Sacred Ashes armor she was wearing was pretty cool?

Why not just post the link to it?
http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=1444

[epoch_]

I might have used it if I could have edited that ugly red color to something darker. Its a dazip though and I don't know how to mod those. Or if its even possible. I need the .dds file D: