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[Giggles_Manically]

Dont say that Axekix!

Morrigan really loved the warden! Even after:

Lying to him for a year,

Concealing something that could destroy his soul

Running away and hiding from everyone if she got what she wanted

Not telling the Warden anything

Running away like a brat, when she dosent get what she wants and leaving many in the lurch



Yah this is a true love story mates.

peh.

[adneate]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I dont think anyone in the group likes Morrigan, outside the Warden and Dog.

I've thought a bit about the Morrigan dynamic and I think it's varied, Alistair and Morrigan both seem to loathe each other and they do not get along at first sight. Wynne is very hostile to Morrigan right from the start and Morrigan is just as nasty back. With Leliana I think she might have liked or at least been curious about Morrigan at the start maybe even being a bit flirty with her but as they talk more and more it appears that Morrigan's stand-offish nature makes them both come to hate each other. Sten seems disinterested in her in general he doesn't trust mages and he just wishes Morrigan would leave him alone forever. As for Zevran he probably sees Morrigan as in interesting sexual conquest but Morrigan doesn't trust him at all so her hostile nature makes him just do the old "Oh nothing bothers me I'm so blaise about everything." As for Oghren I really don't know, Morrigan probably doesn't much like him but then again he keeps touching her and saying suggestive things out loud so maybe she has a point. I guess in the end she's right when she says that The Warden is the only friend she's ever had because I don't think anyone else in camp likes her hence why she's always apart from the others.

[Giggles_Manically]

I think that the companions hit the barrier that many PC's do.



They hit the wall morrigan has built up, but instead of the warden who keeps chipping away at it, they stop and give up pegging her as the evil cold hearted witch.

While the warden eventually can get into her personality and see who she is.



Shame you get through one swamp, over a wall, and then land right back into a swamp.,

[Axekix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Yah this is a true love story mates.
peh.

Hahaha, that's one of the reasons I like the Leli romance.  It's one of the more "normal" ones, so to speak.  The Morrigan romance is such a rollercoaster, and it straight up goes off the tracks at the end. <_<

[Giggles_Manically]

I liked her, and her romance until the DR.
Then I was like:

Modifié par Seagloom, 10 août 2010 - 02:14 .

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Axekix wrote...

Hahaha, that's one of the reasons I like the Leli romance.  It's one of the more "normal" ones, so to speak.  The Morrigan romance is such a rollercoaster, and it straight up goes off the tracks at the end.

Plus BioWare hasn't exactly been kind to Morri-Romancers they seem to have become Gaider's personal whipping boys everytime some new Dragon Age thing comes out he gets to beat them all over again. He beat them the first time with the DR then again with Awakening's borked slides and crap ending and now with DA2 he gets to chance to really kick em' when they're down. Put the steel toe boot on and go right for the junk and don't stop till the doctor says testicular rupture.

[Giggles_Manically]

I think Gaider is a masochist secretly.

So many of his romances end in flames that he writes.

[Axekix]

adneate wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Hahaha, that's one of the reasons I like the Leli romance.  It's one of the more "normal" ones, so to speak.  The Morrigan romance is such a rollercoaster, and it straight up goes off the tracks at the end.

Plus BioWare hasn't exactly been kind to Morri-Romancers they seem to have become Gaider's personal whipping boys everytime some new Dragon Age thing comes out he gets to beat them all over again. He beat them the first time with the DR then again with Awakening's borked slides and crap ending and now with DA2 he gets to chance to really kick em' when they're down. Put the steel toe boot on and go right for the junk and don't stop till the doctor says testicular rupture.

Don't remind me.  I want to find my baby's momma!

[CelestialVanguard]

Ashaman X wrote...
As for your thoughts though, I struggle myself to reconcile whether to take Origins or the DLC as cannon. I can't see Leli being caught and captured twice. The DLC takes place while Maric is still king, so it's 5 years before Origins. Somewhere it was stated that Leli was in Lothering for 2 years, so there is a gap of about 3. Also, it's been said that Leli embellished her song, and I have a thought on that. I think that Origins is the cannon version, but that her Song was her way of telling the story, making it more "interesting", sort of like an adapted version of a book or "inspired by a real story". It's the kind of story other bards would tell, but it's not wholly true.

When exactly does it say that the DLC takes place during Maric's reign? I'll admit that while I do have the DLC, I've hardly had the time recently to play it all that much. Would someone mind clearing this up?

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think Gaider is a masochist secretly.
So many of his romances end in flames that he writes.

He wrote all but one romance in Origins, Sheryl Chee wrote Leliana. Explains Alistair's freak out session in the Landsmeet and his unhardened "Dump anyone not a Cousland" policy as King.

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think Gaider is a masochist secretly.
So many of his romances end in flames that he writes.

The very strange exception is the Aerie romance from BG- its like the ultimate, happy rainbow and sunshine disney ending.....from Gaider of all people...

[Giggles_Manically]

I think we should send Sheryl Chee a gift basket then.



Is it me or does it seem the bi romances in DA are much less complicated than the straight ones?

While Zevran does have depth to his romance it dosent have the pitfalls the other romances do.

[Axekix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think we should send Sheryl Chee a gift basket then.

Is it me or does it seem the bi romances in DA are much less complicated than the straight ones?
While Zevran does have depth to his romance it dosent have the pitfalls the other romances do.

Leliana, most definitely.  I can't comment on Zev since I've never actually done his with a M or F char.

[Giggles_Manically]

Trust me Zev starts as a goofy and corn dog like fellow, but in the end his romance is very touching and powerful.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Trust me Zev starts as a goofy and corn dog like fellow, but in the end his romance is very touching and powerful.

I can't go through it in the actual game only the toolset, his voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me.

[Brockololly]

I like the Morrigan romance in part because it is related to the plot. The DR sucks as a scene since its gimped as all hell, but I like how Morrigan's romance plot was tied into the fact that she had a role in the game's main plot. So sure, you're romancing the Plot Hammer basically, but it was a nice change of pace- it was sort of like Bastila in KOTOR.

Its not excuse for the way the Morrigan/Warden romance ended (or didn't end, depending on your POV) though. But I liked Leliana's romance too, it just gets awfully quiet once you have sex with her or complete Marjolaine's quest. I like it when there is more character development with the LI's after the PC and the LI have done the deed and are sort of an item. Thats why the ME romances bug me so much- they're catered to Achievement Bros- "Wicked man! I just bagged that lesbo french redhead- achievement unlocked!" *Bro fist pump and shotguns cheap beer*

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 août 2010 - 11:33 .

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adneate wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Trust me Zev starts as a goofy and corn dog like fellow, but in the end his romance is very touching and powerful.

I can't go through it in the actual game only the toolset, his voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me.

At first I was like this guy on Zev`s romance, but once I did it it was awsome.

Also I agree with Brock, damn EA to the deepest circle in hell for gimping DA so badly to get it out before the christmas rush. I would have waited for it for a couple of months to get a more complete product.

Also I like how in DA the romances are tricky so that people like the guy who started `Leliana is effin impossible to lay with help!`` actually had a hard time. I would have perfered you get the acheivemnent for the romance if you finish the story with it though.

Modifié par Seagloom, 10 août 2010 - 02:15 .

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Morrigan's romance feels the best paced, then Alistair's I guess since it also fits into the main plot. Zev and Leliana are both similar in that not much happens in the beginning of Zevran's romance since his personal quest doesn't happen until the Landsmeet whereas Leliana's has more going on early in the game and then settles in at the end. They don't feel quite as "cheevo-centric" as say the ME2 ones which have no development and only one scene. Though reading how some people have played them it does seem they're more open to abuse than the others.

Edit: I should say from a technical standpoint it seems Leliana and Zev are the most "Cheevo" like since you can get the Zev cheevo at +26 and dump him the same conversation while Leliana for whatever reason (probably because you can't sleep with her until +91 and her personal quest finished) has more gifts than anyone in the game.

Modifié par adneate, 03 août 2010 - 11:44 .

[Axekix]

Brockololly wrote...

Its not excuse for the way the Morrigan/Warden romance ended (or didn't end, depending on your POV) though. But I liked Leliana's romance too, it just gets awfully quiet once you have sex with her or complete Marjolaine's quest. I like it when there is more character development with the LI's after the PC and the LI have done the deed and are sort of an item.

To be fair I think all of the romances suffer from this a bit.  Morrigan's, slightly less so.  But still, all the romances seem to be weighted on the getting up to "love" part and then kind of just run out of dialogue.

I do agree though that her role in the story is a big part of her allure, and definitely one of the reasons I've gone with her over Leli more often than not.  Of course with Morri's story apparently going on without the Warden, I guess it didn't really matter after all...

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Axekix wrote...

I do agree though that her role in the story is a big part of her allure, and definitely one of the reasons I've gone with her over Leli more often than not.  Of course with Morri's story apparently going on without the Warden, I guess it didn't really matter after all...

I want do another Morrigan romance but you really hit why I sorta don't want to anymore after the DA2 announcement It feels like it won't really matter since The Warden and pretty much everyone in Origins is getting thrown away. At the very least Leliana disappears at the end of Awakening with The Warden which apparently is about as happy an ending as you can get in Dragon Age.

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Also I like how in DA the romances are tricky so that people like the guy who started `Leliana is effin impossible to lay with help!`` actually had a hard time. I would have perfered you get the acheivemnent for the romance if you finish the story with it though.

Thats exactly how I feel. Stop those achievement ****s from just gaming the system- then maybe, just maybe you wouldn't have a million Bros crying out "ZOMG! Dat freak nasty witch iz soooo E-Z to hav sexxorz with- I boned hur in Lothering!" *Bro fist bump and shotguns more cheap beer*

Setting the DA romance achievements just for the sex when they go beyond that is really BioWare selling themselves short, as you;ll have nimrods who get the achievement and in their ME addled brains will think "Achievement unlocked= romance over!"

It'll be interesting to see how DA2 handles romance though and conversation in general given the 10 year time span. Maybe that means things can be a bit better paced out....although with the voiced PC and all, it likely means less content too...

[Giggles_Manically]

I am praying for something good in DA2.

However I am planning on getting some cheap bro fest, with no depth as well.



The minute they said voiced PC I lost about 90% of my interest, since no matter how good a VOA you get you will never feel like Hawke. EVER.

I am honestly so depressed about DA2 right now its hard to state it.



However Shogun 2 melts my face every time I get a new piece if info. The CA listens to their fans, and knows their markets, they have my trust right now. Bioware dosent after Awakening and ME2.

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

However Shogun 2 melts my face every time I get a new piece if info. The CA listens to their fans, and knows their markets, they have my trust right now. Bioware dosent after Awakening and ME2.

I just don't quite understand what BioWare is doing with their sequels (ME2 and DA2) . To be fair, we don't know exactly how DA2 will shape up, but there is enough info out there to realize its going to be fairly different than DAO, just having the voiced PC.

It seems BioWare is of the mind that they need to completely shake things up with every sequel. I think thats horribly stupid- look at Starcraft 2. RTS games have evolved plenty since SC1 came out. Did Blizzard abandon the "old school" gameplay of SC1 for something newer and flashier, something more "amped up"? No! They took what worked in SC1 and used that as a foundation and built of it. And its been a critical and commercial success.

I know thats what they're saying they're doing with DA2, but well, they started off on the wrong foot by getting rid of the silent PC. I  NEVER just blind buy video games- after DAO, I went ahead and preordered ME2. I liked it, but I was disappointed in many of the changes. Then I preorder Awakening and well, yeah. Just......yeahhh....<_< And thats not to mention the fabulous Darkspawn Chronicles DLC.....

BioWare has some work to do before they get back in my good graces. But given their direction that everything needs to be fully voiced and mainstream friendly, I'm not so sure about BioWare these days....

[FiliusMartis]

I don't think they've retconned the qunari... The ogres always had horns, and the horns are supposed to be something somewhat uncommon yes? It could also depend on how they develop. Are horns present at birth... do they develop at a certain time... or can a qunari get horns at any period in his or her life? Honestly, I'm more forgiving on changing some visual representations to keep things fresh than to just maim a whole subplot for no reason at all.



Morrigan and Alistair romances both tend to irk me sometimes, the latter less so. But they are both willing to up and abandon you if they don't get their way. Leaving you to do that last battle without them kind of comes off as not really caring what happens to you unless you're catering to them.

[Ashaman X]

I was thinking abou this: Leli could be considered "clingy," but it is done in such a way that I really like and enjoy it. In real life I can't stand clingy people, because they never give you freedom or a chance to be yourself. I get the feeling that with Leli, she will give you all of that and more. So long as you love her, don't cheat or do things against her religious views, she is quite happy to go with the flow. With her, you know that she can be trusted and will always have your back, unlike some clingy people in real life.



In my view, this is what really makes Leli such a great love interest, because of how her cling factor is approached. She is totally besotted with you, but handles herself as an adult and isn't childish about how she goes about it. If you do the US and she is unhardened, I think that just drives the point home hard.



As for the posts about whether Leli loves guys or girls more, I think it's a moot point. I think it's kind of obvious that Leli can't talk to a guy about hairstyles and shoes without him thinking her crazy, nor can she be as straightforward and open with a lady. In time, she will of course, but for building a relationship, it would perhaps cause too much confusion. It's just really good balanced writing I feel.