Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:28 .
Well to garble out a Bender quote.Bruddajakka wrote...
Morrigan disapproves
Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...
Although I always imagine the unhardened Leliana feeling or making a song like this after the US ending. Here are the lyrics.
Yeah about hardening her the Marjoliane thing makes it hard, but my justificaiton for doing it is she doesn't need to be a part of the Chantry to do something good or be a good person, and that she can be a good person and not be like Marjoliane, but still enjoy life. There is nothing wrong with enjoying the thrill of adventure which is what I took the major conflict being adventure vs quiet life, and the Marjoliane thing being one of her concerns about being more adventurous.
Though it is really close I would say I'm like 60-40 in favor of hardening her it is a toss up. I think both ways are good for her in the end. My opinion may sway the other way after this male Cousland run where my main focus will be romancing her since I really haven't but once (on a Female Mage) a long long time ago before Leliana's Song.
Giggles_Manically wrote....
What attracted you to her early on?
Ashaman X wrote...
I've seen reference here to the caramel pudding line, but does that work only for hardened Leli? Unhardened, she never outright says that she loves me, not even after the night toghether, so I can't trigger that line I think.
Modifié par Zjarcal, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:20 .
Zjarcal wrote...
Ugh, I so wish the hardening dialogue was different. I've never been able to choose it because you're basically telling "sure, be like Marjolaine!". I always end up choosing the "you're a good person, you'll always be" line because it's the one I feel describes her the best. She really is a good person, Chantry sister or not.
That being said, I'm not sure if I prefer hardened Leliana. While there are things about hardened Lels that I like, there are others I don't. For example, I hate her reaction during the Sacred Ashes quest when hardened. I've always been of the opinion that defiling the ashes is a horrible thing to do, even if you're an anti-chantry type of character. I honestly like the conviction with which an unhardened Leliana stands up to the Warden, not allowing the desecration of such a holy relic go down just like that. Hardened Leliana just goes, "fine, I'll let it go because I can't kill you" and then it's like nothing happened. Sure, you get a big approval hit, but it feels cheap. If there had been a conversation in camp after this, only available if you hardened her, where she attempted to break off the relationship or something to that avail, I would've preferred it.
Other things, such as her willingness to stay as a mistress when hardened, continue to sour the deal for me. I really wish there was middle-road between hardened and unhardened Leliana.
Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...
Yeah I do like those parts a lot, but the biggest thing I like about unhardened Leliana is she turns down the threesome. That part bugs the crap out of me about the hardened version.
Zjarcal wrote...
Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...
Although I always imagine the unhardened Leliana feeling or making a song like this after the US ending. Here are the lyrics.
Yeah about hardening her the Marjoliane thing makes it hard, but my justificaiton for doing it is she doesn't need to be a part of the Chantry to do something good or be a good person, and that she can be a good person and not be like Marjoliane, but still enjoy life. There is nothing wrong with enjoying the thrill of adventure which is what I took the major conflict being adventure vs quiet life, and the Marjoliane thing being one of her concerns about being more adventurous.
Though it is really close I would say I'm like 60-40 in favor of hardening her it is a toss up. I think both ways are good for her in the end. My opinion may sway the other way after this male Cousland run where my main focus will be romancing her since I really haven't but once (on a Female Mage) a long long time ago before Leliana's Song.
Ugh, I so wish the hardening dialogue was different. I've never been able to choose it because you're basically telling "sure, be like Marjolaine!". I always end up choosing the "you're a good person, you'll always be" line because it's the one I feel describes her the best. She really is a good person, Chantry sister or not.
That being said, I'm not sure if I prefer hardened Leliana. While there are things about hardened Lels that I like, there are others I don't. For example, I hate her reaction during the Sacred Ashes quest when hardened. I've always been of the opinion that defiling the ashes is a horrible thing to do, even if you're an anti-chantry type of character. I honestly like the conviction with which an unhardened Leliana stands up to the Warden, not allowing the desecration of such a holy relic go down just like that. Hardened Leliana just goes, "fine, I'll let it go because I can't kill you" and then it's like nothing happened. Sure, you get a big approval hit, but it feels cheap. If there had been a conversation in camp after this, only available if you hardened her, where she attempted to break off the relationship or something to that avail, I would've preferred it.
Other things, such as her willingness to stay as a mistress when hardened, continue to sour the deal for me. I really wish there was middle-road between hardened and unhardened Leliana.
Happy Lels:
Viva la France wrote...
Idk about her willingness to become my mistress, she was pretty adament on breaking up with me. What she says almost made me reload and make Alistair king. But, I guess she thinks about it and agreed not being me with me at all would be dull.
As far as hardening, i used to think it was an evil thing to do ,but really you are helping her by hardening her. Lel has obvious self esteem probs unhardened.
Zjarcal wrote...
Viva la France wrote...
Idk about her willingness to become my mistress, she was pretty adament on breaking up with me. What she says almost made me reload and make Alistair king. But, I guess she thinks about it and agreed not being me with me at all would be dull.
As far as hardening, i used to think it was an evil thing to do ,but really you are helping her by hardening her. Lel has obvious self esteem probs unhardened.
I once did the mistress dialogue (for testing purposes) and she was more than okay with it. Maybe it's different with a male, but when I married my HNF to Alistiar (also for testing purposes) she didn't mind it one bit. She didn't even attempt to break up or anything, it was almost as if she said, "it's just business as usual".
I can't say I buy the theory that Leli has a higher self esteem when hardened. Again, the examples I mentioned above show that she's more willing to stand for what she believes in when unhardened. Hardened, she's more like, "I'll do whatever you want my dear".
Modifié par Viva la France, 13 septembre 2010 - 06:04 .
ozsras wrote...
Giggles_Manically wrote...
Building a good rouge is a wee bit tricky.
The easiest one to make is this:
Get all three Passive DW talents, ignore the last since you dont need two longswords.
Get Dual Striking ASAP.
Get into the Felons Coat when you can afford it, and get the Cadash Stompers (Shale DLC)
Archery Wise, get Faldin's Reach, and proced to get Arrow of Slaying, Rapid fire, and Aim. This gives your rouge a wide range of talents. There is no best spec really but dont pick Bard if using Leliana. Ranger works wonders with a Great Bear summoned you have either a very powerful tank, or a battery for a Blood Mage. Duelist and Assassain are are a tossup Assassain is more of the passive one, where as duelist is better for a DW.
Really you just need a high dex, and cunning as a rouge. Doing the Fade first gets you some big bonuses that help early on. Also you need only a Strength of around 26 I believe to use most things you would want.
As a final note do the Shale DLC and you gain the Helm of Honnleath, and the Harvest ring both of which work wonders.
To keep this Leliana related here is a question:
What attracted you to her early on?
For me it was her accent, what can I say? I am a sucker for that sorta thing.
yeah spec's are another frustrating thing for me. Well except for duelist (if a DW) right now I'm thinking I've really screwed up my rogue and also that I'm not using Leliana or Zev correctly either. Oh boy... yeah you should see me try to play as a mage - no that's just *sad*. Warriors are easier for me because it's usually: see enemy, hit enemy, beat enemy to death, move on to next target. XD
Anyway, back to Leliana. What attracted me to her was how strong she was in her faith - and the fact that whatever you said about her vision it didn't sway her. Even when you toughen her up it still doesn't shake her foundation in her beliefs - and I respect that. I think the second thing was that she has the best giggle ever. When you try to charm her and she lets out this hilarious giggle... heee. I just love it. Plus I like having people who are just *happy* to be there. Zev and Leli make my game a lot more fun.
Zjarcal wrote...
Lenimph wrote...
Bleh who needs a man when you have Leli
Truer words were never spoken.Lenimph wrote...
....it's just there hasn't been any Bioware male characters that have done it for me.
To be honest, Zevran does do it for me. Too bad for him that he had to be in a game where there was a cute redhead bard...
No nookie for you Zev.
EDIT: Actually that's a lie. Zev did have a one night stand with my warden. She then dumped him to go after Lels.
Viva la France wrote...
I liked Silas, he and Lel both felt out of place in the chantry enviroment, and how he wanted to kill the person who did an injustice to Lel.
Did you get lels "gay best friend" dialogue after you slep with Zev?Lenimph wrote...
Zjarcal wrote...
Lenimph wrote...
Bleh who needs a man when you have Leli
Truer words were never spoken.Lenimph wrote...
....it's just there hasn't been any Bioware male characters that have done it for me.
To be honest, Zevran does do it for me. Too bad for him that he had to be in a game where there was a cute redhead bard...
No nookie for you Zev.
EDIT: Actually that's a lie. Zev did have a one night stand with my warden. She then dumped him to go after Lels.
Zevran doesn't do it for me. He reminds me too much of puss n boots from shrek.
I only romanced him with my male warden for the lols
No one compares to Leli <3
Lenimph wrote...
Zevran doesn't do it for me. He reminds me too much of puss n boots from shrek.
I only romanced him with my male warden for the lols
Lenimph wrote...
No one compares to Leli <3
:wub:
I only line I remember her saying is "You know what they say about trying new things? You should try everything once except for incest and qunari cuisine."Viva la France wrote...
Did you get lels "gay best friend" dialogue after you slep with Zev?
Bruddajakka wrote...
Viva la France wrote...
I liked Silas, he and Lel both felt out of place in the chantry enviroment, and how he wanted to kill the person who did an injustice to Lel.
So you missed the fact Raleigh tortured him for MONTHS.
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