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[wickedgoodreed]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Honestly I cant see her getting into that unhardened, what with her moving away from her old life...

In regards to the threesome, I agree with you. But as far as kinky sex goes, as long as it's with a Warden she loves and trusts, why not? It would be an expression of her sexuality, and I think is irrespective of her morality.

[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Honestly I cant see her getting into that unhardened, what with her moving away from her old life...

In regards to the threesome, I agree with you. But as far as kinky sex goes, as long as it's with a Warden she loves and trusts, why not? It would be an expression of her sexuality, and I think is irrespective of her morality.

That's the way I see it too. It's all in good fun and a nice way to spice things up. It's also a great way of showing just how far the trust in the relationship has gone.

About the threesome, I don't know. I could see her going for it eventually. That's what I hate about the whole hardened/unhardened thing. It's too black and white, with no middle ground. What I'd like is a Leliana who forgets her life as a bard but retains a certain edge (including an open minded attitude about sex), while also leaving the Chantry but retaining her strong faith in the Maker.

[Giggles_Manically]

Zjarcal wrote...

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Honestly I cant see her getting into that unhardened, what with her moving away from her old life...

In regards to the threesome, I agree with you. But as far as kinky sex goes, as long as it's with a Warden she loves and trusts, why not? It would be an expression of her sexuality, and I think is irrespective of her morality.

That's the way I see it too. It's all in good fun and a nice way to spice things up. It's also a great way of showing just how far the trust in the relationship has gone.

About the threesome, I don't know. I could see her going for it eventually. That's what I hate about the whole hardened/unhardened thing. It's too black and white, with no middle ground. What I'd like is a Leliana who forgets her life as a bard but retains a certain edge (including an open minded attitude about sex), while also leaving the Chantry but retaining her strong faith in the Maker.

In the words of Luke Skywalker: You want the impossible!

[Zjarcal]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

In the words of Luke Skywalker: You want the impossible!

Impossible as far as game mechanics go. It wouldn't be impossible if we could actually delve deep into the whole "changing her personality".

It's the same with Alistair, the hardening process is too black and white.

[Giggles_Manically]

Zjarcal wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

In the words of Luke Skywalker: You want the impossible!

Impossible as far as game mechanics go. It wouldn't be impossible if we could actually delve deep into the whole "changing her personality".

It's the same with Alistair, the hardening process is too black and white.

Cyrus and my evil Blood mage were the only ones to harder her.

Cyrus just did it since he dosent see anything wrong with fighting those who hurt you.
Everd did it since he wanted to screw with her head a little.

[wickedgoodreed]

Zjarcal wrote...

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Honestly I cant see her getting into that unhardened, what with her moving away from her old life...

In regards to the threesome, I agree with you. But as far as kinky sex goes, as long as it's with a Warden she loves and trusts, why not? It would be an expression of her sexuality, and I think is irrespective of her morality.

That's the way I see it too. It's all in good fun and a nice way to spice things up. It's also a great way of showing just how far the trust in the relationship has gone.

About the threesome, I don't know. I could see her going for it eventually. That's what I hate about the whole hardened/unhardened thing. It's too black and white, with no middle ground. What I'd like is a Leliana who forgets her life as a bard but retains a certain edge (including an open minded attitude about sex), while also leaving the Chantry but retaining her strong faith in the Maker.

Well, the reason I think unhardened Leli wouldn't go for a threesome comes from the "stars are out" conversation. If your warden goes the lust route, she has this to say: "Do you not believe in a pure, true love?...to be with someone you truly love to the exclusion of all others, there is nothing else in the world like it. I pray that one day you will find someone who will restore your faith in love."

But I agree with you about the hardened/unhardened thing. I'd like the option to be able to accept everything about her, but as it is I always go with unhardened.

[flexxdk]

I just don't understand why you guys want a Leliana with a whip... 

Or is it simply because it would suit a hardened Leliana??

It confuses me. Unless having a lot of pain during winds you up, I just don't get it...

[Zjarcal]

@Whacka:



Maybe it's because I like whips? I don't expect you to understand. Different flavors for everyone.



@wickedgoodreed:



I always leave her unhardened because I can't bring myself to not choose the line "you're a good person, you always will be". It's the line I feel describes her the best, no matter her past or current beliefs, hence why I can't NOT choose it.



I have never chosen the lust route in the "stars are out" and I never will. If I remember correctly it says, "true love is a mix of lust and pleasure, nothing more" (or something like that). Needless to say I don't agree with that in the slightest.



When I read that comment about true love at the exclusion of others, I see it as feeling love for one person and one person only. However, the threesome isn't about love. It's a moment of lust where both of them might feel inclined to cave in. I don't know about you, but to me, going through something like that is a way to show the amount of trust and comfort you feel with the other person, so I don't really feel that it conflicts with her feelings about love.

[wickedgoodreed]

Zjarcal wrote...

@Whacka:

Maybe it's because I like whips? I don't expect you to understand. Different flavors for everyone.

@wickedgoodreed:

I always leave her unhardened because I can't bring myself to not choose the line "you're a good person, you always will be". It's the line I feel describes her the best, no matter her past or current beliefs, hence why I can't NOT choose it.

I have never chosen the lust route in the "stars are out" and I never will. If I remember correctly it says, "true love is a mix of lust and pleasure, nothing more" (or something like that). Needless to say I don't agree with that in the slightest.

When I read that comment about true love at the exclusion of others, I see it as feeling love for one person and one person only. However, the threesome isn't about love. It's a moment of lust where both of them might feel inclined to cave in. I don't know about you, but to me, going through something like that is a way to show the amount of trust and comfort you feel with the other person, so I don't really feel that it conflicts with her feelings about love.

Fair enough. As long as both parties feel the same way, more power to you!  

For the record, I always choose the "you're a good person" line too for the same reasons, and I've never actually chosen the lust line for reals. Sometimes I like to play with the dialogue options though (even ones I'd never in a million years choose) since it often reveals a little bit more about the characters.

[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...
Sometimes I like to play with the dialogue options though (even ones I'd never in a million years choose) since it often reveals a little bit more about the characters. 

That's what the toolset is for! 

It's the only I am able to see dialogue that I'm uncomfortable with. And even then, I still get uncomfortable... 

I'm a bit of a softie in that regard.

[wickedgoodreed]

Zjarcal wrote...

wickedgoodreed wrote...
Sometimes I like to play with the dialogue options though (even ones I'd never in a million years choose) since it often reveals a little bit more about the characters. 

That's what the toolset is for! 

It's the only I am able to see dialogue that I'm uncomfortable with. And even then, I still get uncomfortable... 

I'm a bit of a softie in that regard.

*sighs* Is there anything the toolset can't do? *curses my mac*

There are times when I've definitely regretted my curiousity.  I guess that makes me a bit of a softie too.

[Viva la France]

well we know Lel enjoyed that foursome.



I like how she's "Oh, what have I gotten myself into."

[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

*sighs* Is there anything the toolset can't do? *curses my mac*

There are times when I've definitely regretted my curiousity.  I guess that makes me a bit of a softie too.

Awww, sorry you can't access the toolset!

The main reason why I prefer to read the dialogue in the toolset (aside from not having to see a sad or angry Leli  ) is for the VO notes. It's so great to actually see what the writers intended for each line to mean. You really get to understand the characters to perfection with the VO notes.

Ahem, sorry. That may not have helped in making you feel any better about your mac... 

[wickedgoodreed]

Zjarcal wrote...

Awww, sorry you can't access the toolset!

The main reason why I prefer to read the dialogue in the toolset (aside from not having to see a sad or angry Leli  ) is for the VO notes. It's so great to actually see what the writers intended for each line to mean. You really get to understand the characters to perfection with the VO notes.

Ahem, sorry. That may not have helped in making you feel any better about your mac... 

xD Yeah, no. *drools all over the prospect of being able to read VO notes*

[Giggles_Manically]

You can just ask Zjarcal or any of the other people who use the toolset here for them.

Most are nice people.

[Viva la France]

Did anyone have problems downloading the "Your Zevran" Mod. I can't find its zip file.

[Giggles_Manically]

@Zjarcal-

While I agree with most of what you say, in game the threesome dialouge is just worded like the Warden is a horn dog, and ignoring the LI right beside them.



If Isabella were to offer it first and the LI were to respond, then the warden could say yai or nai to it than it would be ok. However it comes off as the warden really not looking very good there.

[Viva la France]

Well since we are talking about Leliana and Morrigan. Proof Lel think she's a ****. lol



Morrigan: So he has chosen you. You think this is a triumph? Look at him... look at him and know that you will never truly have him.

Leliana: Jealousy, Morrigan. Tsk, tsk... it is not becoming--

Morrigan: You mock me, but when he is in your arms, in your bed, telling you he loves you, know that there will be moments when he is thinking of me.

Leliana: Andraste forgive me, but you, Morrigan, are a ****. A cruel, cruel ****, and you will get your comeuppance.

Morrigan: Perhaps. But even so, you know in your heart that I am right.



The last line makes me think of why she was so against Morrigan during the love triangle.

[Giggles_Manically]

When I heard that I stopped the party and kissed Leliana about three times.

My Dwarf Commenor and Morrigan had a real falling out over Redcliffe.

[Zjarcal]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

@Zjarcal-
While I agree with most of what you say, in game the threesome dialouge is just worded like the Warden is a horn dog, and ignoring the LI right beside them.

If Isabella were to offer it first and the LI were to respond, then the warden could say yai or nai to it than it would be ok. However it comes off as the warden really not looking very good there.

I know and it frustrates me like you wouldn't believe it!

The way it's done, your LI is left as an afterthought and I hate that. Were the LI not to jump in, the Warden would be having sex with a strange woman right in front of them as if it were the most casual thing in the world.

If the dialogue option where you proposition Isabella had included your LI (like say, "maybe my friend and I could have a meeting with you in private"), then it would've been much better, especially if the LI acted surprised at first, perhaps even reluctant, but then you could convince them to do it.

This is one situation where if I actually go through it, I have to imagine that the dialogue choices are completely different.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 17 septembre 2010 - 07:22 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Yah I dont do the threesome ever since its worded way OOC for any of my charachters.



That being said if Leliana were to offer it I am pretty sure Cyrus would come along, Dain would try to run but well Dwarves cant run that fast.

[SnakeHelah]

Zjarcal wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

ozsras wrote...

wow this thread gets active at night. '

 
Of course it does its about Leliana <3
There's not a more suitable time.

Why  when you could be ....

I promised I'd keep this one away from page 200 (enough with the other picture). This is the Leli my F!Warden gets every night.




EDIT:

@wickedgoodreed:

I edited one of my posts in page 200 to include your pic. 

This pic is simply epic win.

[Viva la France]

Actually my archer Cousland wanted a life of adventure, and was into new experiences(except romancing Zev). So I could see my character doing the threesome or foursome. Only reason he let Zev come was because of Isabella.

[Zjarcal]

SnakeHelah wrote...

This pic is simply epic win.

Here's another for ya! I like the other one better, this one came out a bit weird due to the lighting on Leli's face.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 17 septembre 2010 - 07:56 .

[flexxdk]

Zjarcal wrote...

@Whacka:

Maybe it's because I like whips? I don't expect you to understand. Different flavors for everyone.

Sorry, I didn't mend to offend you... Was just wondering about all that talk about whips and stuff, that's all.

Everyone has his or her own tastes, and we all got to respect that, right?