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[wickedgoodreed]

The US ending made me feel awful. I mean Leli's sad face at the funeral ...just...ugh...never again.

I prefer my endings happy, heroine gets her girl and all that.

[Zjarcal]

Oh, Leli's sad face at the funeral is hard to watch... 

I don't know, I just don't view it as a sad ending if Leli and the warden are eventually reunited in the afterlife. Call me crazy, but when I read about how Leli tells her maid about how she "will see her love again"... it actually brings a smile to my face.

But thanks to Morrigan (or Loghain or Alistair) all that can be avoided and the heroine can get her girl. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 06 janvier 2011 - 06:22 .

[ZeRoToXiN]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

The US ending made me feel awful. I mean Leli's sad face at the funeral ...just...ugh...never again.

I prefer my endings happy, heroine gets her girl and all that.

I agree... I'll never do sacrifice my warden again, and I can see myself playing through DA 4 or 5 more times (Im just finished my first). For my HN Warden, the sacrifice felt right, it was in his character, dying for what  for him was the good of his nation so that Alistair may be king (with Enora). Neither would Alistair be happy with that, but they all have tom make sacrifices for the greater good. I think the sacrifice made him that much more memorable as a character for me, it certainly had more of an impact on me that way. And the tragic ending seems to fit the DA universe better IMO, DA is a dark fantasy and IMO most true heroes (not just in DA or even in games) don't get a happy ending. Maybe I'm not a happy ending guy, the sacrifice makes more sense for the good noble, and its that much more dramatic.

Zjarcal wrote...

Oh, Leli's sad face at the funeral is hard to watch... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

I
don't know, I just don't view it as a sad ending if Leli and the warden
are eventually reunited in the afterlife. Call me crazy, but when I
read about how Leli tells her maid about how she "will see her love
again"... it actually brings a smile to my face.
But thanks to Morrigan (or Loghain or Alistair) all that can be avoided and the heroine can get her girl. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Indeed it was so sad to see her at the funeral.

But with what you said with the happy ending of them being reunited after death, I also thought that, and it also brought a smile to my face I would say it was "bittersweet."

Thats what I was going for by putting the text onto the picture I posted a few posts back. The hero dies, but one day, she believes they will be reunited and happy together forever.


 I was never so moved by the ending of a video game or movie ever before as I was with the ultimate sacrifice

Anyway, I think it really shows how far video games have come, that they can touch us emotionally and have us really take an interest and care in the characters, far more than any movie or book could (for me at least). The writers did a fantastic job, both with the overall story, teh choices and making it "your" story, and the characters we meet as part of the journey.

Modifié par ZeRoToXiN, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:34 .

[Eber]

But Riordan says the soul of the one who takes the final blow is destroyed. He definitely makes it sound more definite than a normal death. I'm not sure Leliana's plan will work.

Modifié par Eber, 06 janvier 2011 - 08:46 .

[Ashaman X]

Eber wrote...

But Riordan says the soul of the one who takes the final blow is destroyed. He definitely makes it sound more definite than a normal death. I'm not sure Leliana's plan will work.

That's the part that bothered my Warden the most I think. If the Arch Demon simply "pushed" her soul out of her body to kill her, she could have accepted that, as her soul would have waited in the Fade or wherever else for Leli. However, since the contact between the Arch Demon and her soul would be like an explosive and destroy both, she decided to take Morrigan's offer. My Warden would gladly die for Ferelden or any of her friends, but a final death of the soul like that is too much for her.

Besides, my Warden is far too in love with Leli, and that makes her a little bit selfish. She doesn't have all that long to live, so she wouldn't want to cut it short either.

[Lenimph]

Eber wrote...

But Riordan says the soul of the one who takes the final blow is destroyed. He definitely makes it sound more definite than a normal death. I'm not sure Leliana's plan will work.

Modifié par Lenimph, 06 janvier 2011 - 05:45 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Lenimph wrote...

Eber wrote...

But Riordan says the soul of the one who takes the final blow is destroyed. He definitely makes it sound more definite than a normal death. I'm not sure Leliana's plan will work.

OIOW:

[Zjarcal]

Eber wrote...

But Riordan says the soul of the one who takes the final blow is destroyed. He definitely makes it sound more definite than a normal death. I'm not sure Leliana's plan will work.

You just had to remind me of that... curse you!!!

Maker... now I'm really glad I never go for the US ending. 

Seriously, what a horrible fate. Although has a writer ever confirmed that your soul is indeed destroyed completely? Ugh...

@ZeRoToXiN

I hear you on how far games have come as regarding being able to evoke strong emotions from the player. There was a time when the general rule was "game stories are terrible". I'm really glad that's no longer the case.

[Zjarcal]

Lenimph wrote...

*huggles the hell out of Leni*

[Lenimph]

 Ahem, anyway, I'm against suicide to be reunited with a lover.  Yes the idea that you love that one person so much that you can't move on is extremely romantic but that whole concept has been completely ruined for me by Romeo and Juliet.  

 And shame on anyone who romanced unhardened Leliana and picked the US ending.  After all the melancholy Marjolaine put her through you were going to leave her? Spare me it's "for the greater good; I can't do the dark ritual," bs.  Both Alistair and Loghain are perfectly willing to do it for you. 

 All of my characters fought the blight for the people closest to them and they drew the line when it took them away from those people.  Destroying ones soul in a ultimatum I would never consider an option.  
*End emotional rant* 

Modifié par Lenimph, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:15 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Well only two of my games ended with an US.

My first game (which does not count) and my City elf who romanced a Hardened Leliana.



I wish I could have done it on my City Elf but he well really hated Morrigan after the Alienage quest.

[Zjarcal]

Lenimph wrote...

 Ahem, anyway, I'm against suicide to be reunited with a lover.  Yes the idea that you love that one person so much that you can't move on is extremely romantic but that whole concept has been completely ruined for me by Romeo and Juliet.  

Bah, Romeo and Juliet, who cares about that. I don't think I've ever experienced that story in any sort of medium. The only thing I know about it is that DiCaprio and Claire Danes were in a R&J movie... 

[Lenimph]

Zjarcal wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

*snippy*

Bah, Romeo and Juliet, who cares about that. I don't think I've ever experienced that story in any sort of medium. The only thing I know about it is that DiCaprio and Claire Danes were in a R&J movie... 

I'll give you my summary then.  

Romeo: Oh woe is me! The girl I liked decided she never wanted to marry and is becoming a nun.
Romeo's friend: Oh grow one! Let's go to a party!
*at the party*
Romeo: WHO IS THAT! *sees Juliet*
Someone: She's a Capulet, therefore you cannot bone her.
Romeo: BUT MY LOVE IS UNDYING AND BURNING I MUST BONE HER
Romeo and Juliet briefly talk to each other and decide it is LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT, and then Romeo gets stalker status and follows Juliet home and climbs into her family's estate and watches her from her window*
(Insert famous balcony scene here of unparalleled beauty of written language that is ruined by the retardedness of adolescence) 
Juliet talks to her nurse about marrying Romeo and the Nurse and the Priest agree to let them get married even though they should know better as adults. Romeo gets to bone Juliet!
(Insert Capulet/Montague fighting here) Romeo is exiled!
(Insert some ridiculous feign death plan only Shakespeare could come up with) It fails miserably! 
Romeo finally gets back to Juliet thinking she is dead and kills himself!  Juliet wakes up and see's Romeo is dead. She kills herself!

No offence to Shakespeare... he was a master of words... 

 
 

Modifié par Lenimph, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:45 .

[ZeRoToXiN]

Lenimph wrote...

 Ahem, anyway, I'm against suicide to be reunited with a lover.  Yes the idea that you love that one person so much that you can't move on is extremely romantic but that whole concept has been completely ruined for me by Romeo and Juliet.  

 And shame on anyone who romanced unhardened Leliana and picked the US ending.  After all the melancholy Marjolaine put her through you were going to leave her? Spare me it's "for the greater good; I can't do the dark ritual," bs.  Both Alistair and Loghain are perfectly willing to do it for you. 

 All of my characters fought the blight for the people closest to them and they drew the line when it took them away from those people.  Destroying ones soul in a ultimatum I would never consider an option.  
*End emotional rant* 

We dont know that she would commit suicide... It only says that she disappeared. The other option is that she went to adventure and see the world, as she said she wanted to before. I thought about suicide at first, but based on her faith and personality, I think the second option is more likely. After her vision, she is comforted and goes out to live her life as she would have wanted to before. Although she is so soft when unhardened, and she might have thought something along the lines of, "my life is fulfilled, I have met my true love, dealt with my past, and did some good in the world helping destroy the blight." Or she could have left for a quiet life of contemplation...

As for not doing the dark ritual - my chars thought was: I don't trust Morrigan, I don't trust Flemeths ancient magic, and the idea of an old god being reborn will definetely come back to bite the whole world in the rear-end. Save the land now, but possibly damn it in the future in the process... Not worth the risk.

Modifié par ZeRoToXiN, 06 janvier 2011 - 08:29 .

[Zjarcal]

This has always been my interpretation of the US ending with unhardened Leliana. What Genjutsu-Dragon wrote is exactly what I had envisioned...

http://www.fanfictio...ll_See_My_Lover

Until I was reminded of the soul thingy... 

EDIT: Mother of... I forgot to place the link.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 06 janvier 2011 - 10:00 .

[wickedgoodreed]

Suicide was the first thing that occured to me from the slide, but there is definitely room for interpretation. I can easily see Leliana's faith in one day being reunited with her love providing her with comfort and the inspiration to quietly move on with her life. It is a much nicer way of looking at it that is very fitting with her character.

Still, I agree with Leni's sentiment that Leliana has been put through enough pain and loss already...I wouldn't go so far as to say that Loghain or Alistair are "perfectly willing" to do the DR for you though. Loghain in particular I think makes it clear that he wants absolutely nothing to do with it. It's one reason why many of my playthroughs wind up as Loghain Redeemer ....Sorry, Morri!

Modifié par wickedgoodreed, 06 janvier 2011 - 09:39 .

[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Loghain or Alistair are "perfectly willing" to do the DR for you though. Loghain in particular I think makes it clear that he wants absolutely nothing to do with it. It's one reason why many of my playthroughs wind up as Loghain Redeemer ....Sorry, Morri! 

When I said that Loghain or Alistair make it possible to avoid the pain, I meant having them kill the AD.

I have a somewhat internal conflict right now. I've always done the DR, but I love the redeemer ending so much, and it would be so fitting for my HNF who admired Loghain as a child, to watch him die a hero...

Gah, but I just can't refuse Morri's offer! 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 06 janvier 2011 - 10:04 .

[Kabraxal]

Eber wrote...

But Riordan says the soul of the one who takes the final blow is destroyed. He definitely makes it sound more definite than a normal death. I'm not sure Leliana's plan will work.

Riordan is simply wrong.   

Really, I've seen so many stories try to make this claim and it just makes me shake my head in wonder how they have no clue of what a soul is.  The soul does not exist in the same sense as any mortal entity.  It is eternal... it will not age it will not die and it cannot be destroyed. 

I think many people get the concepts of spirit and soul confused really. 

As for the US... I find it beautifully tragic.  I tend to harden Leli though in many playthroughs, so I have yet to have the unhardened epilogue with the US and her romanced.  But my two current Dalish are certainly starting to point towards martyrs and both seem to keep Leli unhardened.

[wickedgoodreed]

Zjarcal wrote...

When I said that Loghain or Alistair make it possible to avoid the pain, I meant having them kill the AD.

I was referring to Leni's comment: 

Lenimph wrote...
 And shame on anyone who romanced unhardened Leliana and picked the US ending.  After all the melancholy Marjolaine put her through you were going to leave her? Spare me it's "for the greater good; I can't do the dark ritual," bs.  Both Alistair and Loghain are perfectly willing to do it for you.

Zjarcal wrote...
I have a somewhat internal conflict right now. I've always done the DR, but I love the redeemer ending so much,
and it would be so fitting for my HNF who admired Loghain as a child, to watch him die a hero...

Gah, but I just can't refuse Morri's offer! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

I love the redeemer ending too. The last conversation you have with Loghain on top of Fort Drakon is so moving.

As for Morri...I don't feel like it's my warden turning her down offer so much. I take the offer to Loghain and since he's the one that would have to father a child with her, I defer to his wishes.

Also, the one good thing to come out of Witch Hunt for me was being able to reconcile the friendship for my wardens that don't do the DR. That resolution makes me feel much better about it. 

Modifié par wickedgoodreed, 06 janvier 2011 - 10:26 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Alistair and Loghain are not really willing to do the DR.
Loghain much more then Alistair really.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 06 janvier 2011 - 10:40 .

[Zjarcal]

Sorry for the confusion wicked!

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Also, the one good thing to come out of Witch Hunt for me was being able to reconcile the friendship for my wardens that don't do the DR. That resolution makes me feel much better about it. 

I have been considering this, that despite her being mad at not getting her OGB, she still considers you a friend in the end (hell, she even allows a male warden to follow her into mirror world even if you denied her). So that's one point in favor of the Redeemer ending.

BUT...... Morri's speech at the gates is one of my top three favorite moments in the game and I'm a weak girl who can't get through the game without it. 

[Giggles_Manically]

Just make a save before it then and listen to it.



I did like it though especially with Bob who trusted her enough to give her the OGB.

Shame that so many gate talks are so bugged.

[Zjarcal]

Bah, for that matter I could just make a save and see the Redeemer ending. <_<

I'm talking about what I want for my canon character.

[Lenimph]

Ah yeah I kinda meant them killing the archdemon not doing the DR.... but I didn't specify that....



Making them do the DR needs a bit of persuasion but they're going to do it anyway.



But that was a rant so don't listen to what I said...

[ZeRoToXiN]

Kabraxal wrote...

Eber wrote...

But Riordan says the soul of the one who takes the final blow is destroyed. He definitely makes it sound more definite than a normal death. I'm not sure Leliana's plan will work.

Riordan is simply wrong.   

Really, I've seen so many stories try to make this claim and it just makes me shake my head in wonder how they have no clue of what a soul is.  The soul does not exist in the same sense as any mortal entity.  It is eternal... it will not age it will not die and it cannot be destroyed. 

I think many people get the concepts of spirit and soul confused really. 

As for the US... I find it beautifully tragic.

I've also thought about this, Riordan doesn't have to be right. There's no way to know if he is or isn't, really. It could just mean that both their couls are permanently removed from the material world. This can bring up some questions about the old gods themselves, maybe it just means that the archdemon's soul is removed from this world permanently rather than dying and being reborn again (as opposed to saying they will both simply die).

As for the US, beautifully tragic indeed. I prefer tragic heroes and bittersweet endings more than a typical happy ending.

Modifié par ZeRoToXiN, 07 janvier 2011 - 01:14 .