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[wickedgoodreed]

Oh, I always let Leliana take down the bastard Raleigh herself. I think it's an empowering moment for her considering what its implied that he did to her.

But, yeah, Silas seemed like a really good guy. Having good people like him on the Chantry's side might make things interesting if, as I suspect, the Chantry gets even more heavily vilified in DA2.

(And I <3 Ariane  too. I'm going to miss dual weilding warriors.)

[Face of Evil]

Leliana spent a week in Raleigh's company. Silas was in his dungeons for months. I felt he deserved the final blow, as well, because Leliana's grudge was truly against Marjolaine.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 04 février 2011 - 06:05 .

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

I say both of them shoulda Sparta-kicked that smug snake off the cliff.

Modifié par DrunkDeadman, 04 février 2011 - 06:15 .

[ZeRoToXiN]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I like LS though, its very clearly a proto-type for DA2. Framed narrative, VA'd protagonist who you couldn't choose etc.

Wow, great insight. That actually makes so much sense. A voiced character, but you could choose her responses and attitude. Maybe a Lady Hawke won't be so bad after all...

Also, with the previous conversation about the humming - I had never known about that. On the 360 I tried activating a sustained talent, and she hummed that short little tune the very first time... I don't get what the big deal about it is though.

[flexxdk]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Oh, I always let Leliana take down the bastard Raleigh herself. I think it's an empowering moment for her considering what its implied that he did to her.

I just let Silas do it.

TBH, I'd rather have Raleigh thrown in jail. Dead seems too easy for him, and revenge won't help you any further. It fills nothing and won't give any satisfaction. And most of the time, having succesful revenge only ruins your inner self even more.

HolyAvenger wrote...

I like LS though, its very clearly a proto-type for DA2. Framed narrative, VA'd protagonist who you couldn't choose etc.

Figured as much.
It was basically an "introduction" to VA'd protagonists in DA. And it worked out well. I liked it a lot.

Modifié par Whacka, 04 février 2011 - 12:25 .

[Face of Evil]

Whacka wrote...

TBH, I'd rather have Raleigh thrown in jail. Dead seems too easy for him, and revenge won't help you any further. It fills nothing and won't give any satisfaction. And most of the time, having succesful revenge only ruins your inner self even more.

There's no way that could ever happen, not with all the backroom dealings and intrigue that was going on. To what authority could Leliana turn him over without implicating herself or humiliating the Chantry? If news got out about what he and Marjolaine did, it could just as easily start the war between Ferelden and Orlais that Raleigh wanted to orchestrate. There was only one way to deal with Raleigh.

And revenge is not always hollow. It can be, but it can also be very sweet, particularly if it means ridding the world of a horrifically evil man.

[Giggles_Manically]

I liked seeing Silas boot Raleigh off the cliff.



Wished the DLC had been set in Orlais instead and not serve as a huge retcon.

[flexxdk]

Face of Evil wrote...
There's no way that could ever happen, not with all the backroom dealings and intrigue that was going on. To what authority could Leliana turn him over without implicating herself or humiliating the Chantry? If news got out about what he and Marjolaine did, it could just as easily start the war between Ferelden and Orlais that Raleigh wanted to orchestrate. There was only one way to deal with Raleigh.

Haven't thought about that... You have a fairly good point.

Even though death's too easy for Raleigh, there's indeed only one way to get rid of him.

And revenge is not always hollow. It can be, but it can also be very sweet, particularly if it means ridding the world of a horrifically evil man.

Still, I don't think that you'd have any satisfaction in the end (other than having gotten rid of a "terrible" evil in the world).
Well, perhaps Silas has. But I wouldn't.

And I've been there... sorta. Without the "guy who's a stain on the world and terribly evil and horrendous." 

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I liked seeing Silas boot Raleigh off the cliff.

Must've given Raleigh lots of ouchies! 

Only THAT gave me satisfaction in the end.

...Well, for a bit. 

Wished the DLC had been set in Orlais instead and not serve as a huge retcon.

If I could mod and if it was possible, I would've tried to change LS into the story as it was told in DAO.

Modifié par Whacka, 04 février 2011 - 02:41 .

[wickedgoodreed]

Whacka wrote...

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Oh, I always let Leliana take down the bastard Raleigh herself. I think it's an empowering moment for her considering what its implied that he did to her.

I just let Silas do it.

TBH, I'd rather have Raleigh thrown in jail. Dead seems too easy for him, and revenge won't help you any further. It fills nothing and won't give any satisfaction. And most of the time, having succesful revenge only ruins your inner self even more.

The "I will destroy your legacy" option is the only one of the three presented that seemed revenge focused to me, and I don't use it.

The other two options seem to me to be much more about justice being served (well, as close to justice being served as is possible in the DA universe) and that can definitely provide closure and satisfaction.

[wickedgoodreed]

So I tracked down this quote, found here, from one of the writers. I was reminded it of it last night, but took me awhile to actually find it: 

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

A mix of opinion in the thread, as there always is. Makes successful DLC a bit of a moving target, but that’s the fun of it. Leliana’s Song was an odd duck, certainly. An experiment in a lot of ways, and you’ll see echoes of those efforts in DAII. For my nitpicky little ego I’d note that there was no retcon in the story—the high-level is narrator Leliana trying to suss out what purpose her story can have. The raw facts, what she honestly related to the Warden in the main game, can be inspirational or cautionary depending on how she presents it (how you
play her in the DLC), and that act of searching for meaning says more about her character. So, you know, ppbbthhhth.../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png

The cynic in me feels like this was contrived in order to get away with reusing the same locations. But, I do like this way of looking at the DLC.

Modifié par wickedgoodreed, 04 février 2011 - 10:32 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Lame excuse is lame.



They were to cheap to make new areas and just copy pasted the old ones.

Leliana deserved more.

[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...
The cynic in me feels like this was contrived in order to get away with reusing the same locations. But, I do like this way of looking at the DLC.

I had read that before. It is a contrived excuse but I like it. 

And I have to say, I was never really bothered by the fact that it was set in Denerim. It doesn't really change the main point of the story which is retelling Marjolaine's betrayal.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Lame excuse is lame.

They were to cheap to make new areas and just copy pasted the old ones.
Leliana deserved more.

This so much. Not only Leliana deserved more, but Morrigan and the Dace brothers as well.

After playing trough the beast of a DLC that was the Lair of the Shadow Broker for ME2, I just can't see how it was so hard for them to create a few new areas. DA2 better not have reused areas unless it makes sense in the context of the story. And even then, old areas should be used sparsely.

[Zjarcal]

Remember my little rant about how Leli was the only LI who didn't give you a gift? It seems Aztarieth echoes my sentiments with this little fanart:







The Gift

[HolyAvenger]

Yeah it was quite obvious that they were too cheap to use new areas...at least in Witch Hunt they had a story that explained and fitted in well with that.



LK's excuse is laughable.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Haha, that's brilliant, Zjar! The last two panels with Leli and Nelerah are just about the most adorable thing I've seen for the last few weeks.

[Giggles_Manically]

Hearing one single giggle is a better gift then anything else for me.

[wickedgoodreed]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

After playing trough the beast of a DLC that was the Lair of the Shadow Broker for ME2, I just can't see how it was so hard for them to create a few new areas. DA2 better not have reused areas unless it makes sense in the context of the story. And even then, old areas should be used sparsely.

I felt the exact same way the day both Lair of the Shadow Broker and Witch Hunt came out. Really, LotSB was so full of awesome that it's not even on the same playing field as any of the DA DLC. It's unfair to compare them.

From what I've read, DA2 DLC is going to focus on filling in gaps during the 10 year time span, so I imagine that means there will be many reused areas in our future.


@Zjar- That's great! It's funny (and so cute) 'cause it's true!


Edit:  for spelling error

Modifié par wickedgoodreed, 05 février 2011 - 07:12 .

[Zjarcal]

And what did Aztarieth deem to be the perfect gift from Leli? Why Leli herself... :happy:



Perfect Gift

Modifié par Zjarcal, 05 février 2011 - 06:56 .

[wickedgoodreed]

Awww, see! That's what I always say.

But she cut off her braid! I love Leli's braid! 

[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Awww, see! That's what I always say.

But she cut off her braid! I love Leli's braid! 

Eh... seeing how I'm always using a different hairstyle for her, the braid's usually gone in my games... 

[Giggles_Manically]

If Leliana did have an actual gift I wonder what it would be though.

[wickedgoodreed]

I wonder if it was just oversight or if it was deliberate that she didn't have a gift. I could see it going either way...Ah well, I guess it'll just be one of those mysteries.

[Giggles_Manically]

I still like giving her the flowers and the cute nug.



Really though those are things that someone would give a person they care for.