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[Eumerin]

Somebody wrote...

SPARTAN 089-Gary wrote...

The more I look at it the more I think my statement about her not mentioning anything is because its a dlc and they don't connect it with the origin save. I'm very tempted into playing origins again but I never pick up Leliana in Lothering. And then after see if she still says she was with the warden. If thats the case then there is no connection with the sebastian dlc with the origins save transfer.

If you dont pick her up at Lothering, I think she dies there.

Someone in one of the DA2 threads mentioned that she appeared in their playthrough even though she hadn't been recruited in Lothering.  So far as I know we're never actually provided with any evidence that she died aside from the fact that Lothering was destroyed shortly after the Hero left.  So I think it's safe to now assume that if you didn't recruit her in your Origins playthrough, then she left the town shortly after the Hero did but before the Darkspawn arrived.

I was giddy to meet Leliana, but I ended up disappointed. Leliana helping the Divine? Despite that in the imported save I hardened her?

imo, a hardened Leliana actually seems to fit a bit better.  What we're shown is someone who doesn't appear to have any problem using either you or herself as bait to draw out some powerful enemies so that she can kill them.  She seems to come across as more ruthless than the "butterflies and rainbows" version from DAO.

Modifié par Eumerin, 11 mars 2011 - 09:46 .

[PickledGear]

Well I'm starting my own bit of Dragon Age 2 with my warden pursuing Leliana. First stop the Hanged Man.

Modifié par SPARTAN 089-Gary, 11 mars 2011 - 12:10 .

[flexxdk]

SPARTAN 089-Gary wrote...

Well I'm starting my own bit of Dragon Age 2 with my warden pursuing Leliana. First stop the Hanged Man.
*snip*

Nicely drawn!

I'm still thinking about how I'm going to handle this... It's a hard thing to think about.

[PickledGear]

Well if it makes you feel any better. All save files that are Witch hunt ports into DA2 remove the Leliana romance. So if you want to hear Leliana talk about the warden with feelings for him/her when she appears in Sebastian's DLC. You're gonna have to import a DAO or DAA save cause Witch hunt ****s up the Leliana romance.

[flexxdk]

SPARTAN 089-Gary wrote...

Well if it makes you feel any better. All save files that are Witch hunt ports into DA2 remove the Leliana romance. So if you want to hear Leliana talk about the warden with feelings for him/her when she appears in Sebastian's DLC. You're gonna have to import a DAO or DAA save cause Witch hunt ****s up the Leliana romance.

I see...

It didn't matter much anyway. The save I was going to import was corrupted somehow anyway. It said I didn't do the Dark Ritual, and thus sacrificed myself to kill the Archdemon.  So I'm now busy with replaying Origins, hopefully ending up with a clean safe. And even if it did recognize the correct plot flags, DA2 is just unplayable because of the insane amount of freezes and lag I get every 30 seconds to approx. 5 minutes. Blargh. 
People provided a workaround for this, but it mainly involved downloading a different driver, of which I then had to modify the .inf files. <_<

And now I have a reason to not go through Witch Hunt! 
That means I only have to do Golems of Amgarrak after Awakening.

Still, I feel a bit butthurt by BioWare for just letting the Warden "disappear"... So not my Warden's style. He either goes out with a poopload of sarcasm, or he drops it like a bomb in a fridge and leaves in a split second.

Modifié par Whacka, 11 mars 2011 - 03:56 .

[WilliamShatner]

BioWare bastardising well loved characters in their sequels? NEVER!

[Mox Ruuga]

WilliamShatner wrote...

BioWare bastardising well loved characters in their sequels? NEVER!

Let's just hope she hasn't gone all ME2!Liara (ie. bat**** crazy) on us, since I don't think she would be getting a "fixer" DLC like Miss T'Soni did.

[JamieCOTC]

SPARTAN 089-Gary wrote...

Well if it makes you feel any better. All save files that are Witch hunt ports into DA2 remove the Leliana romance. So if you want to hear Leliana talk about the warden with feelings for him/her when she appears in Sebastian's DLC. You're gonna have to import a DAO or DAA save cause Witch hunt ****s up the Leliana romance.

What?  Is this a bug or something BW did on purpose?  If it's a bug, then *maybe* it can be fixed.  If BW did it on purpose, wtf is about all I can say. 

[Eumerin]

JamieCOTC wrote...

SPARTAN 089-Gary wrote...

Well if it makes you feel any better. All save files that are Witch hunt ports into DA2 remove the Leliana romance. So if you want to hear Leliana talk about the warden with feelings for him/her when she appears in Sebastian's DLC. You're gonna have to import a DAO or DAA save cause Witch hunt ****s up the Leliana romance.

What?  Is this a bug or something BW did on purpose?  If it's a bug, then *maybe* it can be fixed.  If BW did it on purpose, wtf is about all I can say. 

Almost certainly a bug.  I know certain elements of the patcher aren't working properly on the PC, and Witch Hunt had some issues that had to be patched with version 1.1.  This is probably a hold over.  On the other hand, to the best of my knowledge the DA2 importer doesn't actually track anything from Golems of Angorok or Witch Hunt (and note that it explicitly tracks the status of Shale and whether or not you burned Cailan's body), so there's probably no downside to using your Awakenings save as your import.

[PickledGear]

Nope since the awakening ending says you still get together with Leliana again. So of course it has a romance plot flag in the save unlike witch hunt which just ends abruptly.

[flexxdk]

This whole deal with Witch Hunt effing up Leliana Romances, I'd say that this is fitting for Witch Hunt.

After all, BW DID end the first series with the slam of a door -- literally.

[SnakeHelah]

SPARTAN 089-Gary wrote...

Well if it makes you feel any better. All save files that are Witch hunt ports into DA2 remove the Leliana romance. So if you want to hear Leliana talk about the warden with feelings for him/her when she appears in Sebastian's DLC. You're gonna have to import a DAO or DAA save cause Witch hunt ****s up the Leliana romance.

Really? I had no idea!!

[Voguul]

Just finished DA2, and I have to say I didn't think the cameo was too lousy after all. I feel a bit embarrased for being so butthurt at first.

The story will probably continue anyways. Now I just have to kill time until the DLCs or DA3 (or Skyrim) comes out. Time for another playthrough I guess...

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Finished DA2 as well. Was a bit disappointed with Leliana barely mentioning the Warden, but I'll live. If it's really because of the WH, I hope a fix will be available soon.
Her appearance in the ending made me feel like she would have a bigger role to fill in DA3 or whatever's focusing on the events following DA2. Anyone else in the same boat by any chance?

[Mox Ruuga]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Finished DA2 as well. Was a bit disappointed with Leliana barely mentioning the Warden, but I'll live. If it's really because of the WH, I hope a fix will be available soon.
Her appearance in the ending made me feel like she would have a bigger role to fill in DA3 or whatever's focusing on the events following DA2. Anyone else in the same boat by any chance?

Haven't played the game yet, but Leliana seems to have a surprisingly prominent role for a character that can die in DA:O, in two different ways no less (assuming that leaving her to Lothering gets her killed). Has anyone played a ded-Leli DA2 run yet? Who gets her role there? Prolly the wrong question to ask on this thread, but oh well... Rather ask you guys than some toxic Leli hating Alistair fangirl... 

[PickledGear]

Woot page 2!

Modifié par SPARTAN 089-Gary, 13 mars 2011 - 12:38 .

[Lenimph]

*Beats her Witch Hunt import to a pulp and starts her 35+ hour first run of DA2 over*

I was loving this game too much... I refuse to finish something that doesn't recognize my Leliana romance....

Did I mention I want to kill something?!

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Lenimph wrote...

*Beats her Witch Hunt import to a pulp and starts her 35+ hour first run of DA2 over*

I was loving this game too much... I refuse to finish something that doesn't recognize my Leliana romance....

Did I mention I want to kill something?!

Can I kill that something with you?  
It's not a nice feeling when you go: Leliana!  Warden!  Oh.  Bioware...

[Eumerin]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Haven't played the game yet, but Leliana seems to have a surprisingly prominent role for a character that can die in DA:O, in two different ways no less (assuming that leaving her to Lothering gets her killed). Has anyone played a ded-Leli DA2 run yet? Who gets her role there? Prolly the wrong question to ask on this thread, but oh well...

Apparently Leliana gets her role if you killed Leliana in DA:O.



If you didn't pick her up in Lothering, then presumably she left with the rest of the Chantry shortly before the darkspawn arrived (one of the questions you can ask Avelline and Wesley during the DA2 prologue makes mention of this - the priests and templars all left before the darkspawn arrived, which is one reason why the Hawkes are surprised to see Wesley).

If you defiled the Urn of Sacred Ashes and were forced to kill her as a result, well...  apparently she was either only mostly dead, or she really is the focus of personal attention from the Maker, just as she believes...

It's not a nice feeling when you go: Leliana!  Warden!  Oh.  Bioware...

Yeah, I was rather shocked and surprised by that.  And it's a two-fold thing that's bugging me.  I was running the original version of Witch Hunt during my playthrough, so I'm not sure if 1.1 fixes the issue (and unfortunately you can't test the issue until you've played through most of DA2...).  And currently nothing from Witch Hunt (or Golems, for that matter) is used by DA2, so it's quite possible that those two DLC might end up being completely superfluous as far as imported decisions go.  Or they might become critically important later on.

/sigh

[Mox Ruuga]

Eumerin wrote...

Apparently Leliana gets her role if you killed Leliana in DA:O.



If you didn't pick her up in Lothering, then presumably she left with the rest of the Chantry shortly before the darkspawn arrived (one of the questions you can ask Avelline and Wesley during the DA2 prologue makes mention of this - the priests and templars all left before the darkspawn arrived, which is one reason why the Hawkes are surprised to see Wesley).

If you defiled the Urn of Sacred Ashes and were forced to kill her as a result, well...  apparently she was either only mostly dead, or she really is the focus of personal attention from the Maker, just as she believes...

Now, don't get me wrong, I am a Leliana fan, but this is just... Argh. It's the equivalent of Alistair always being the King, even if he ran off after Loghain was recruited into the Wardens.

So it indeed seems they have some sort of role planned for her and perhaps some others. In DA3 most likely, since I bet the DLC for DA2 will be Hawke centric.

[Eumerin]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
Now, don't get me wrong, I am a Leliana fan, but this is just... Argh. It's the equivalent of Alistair always being the King, even if he ran off after Loghain was recruited into the Wardens.

Yes and no.  There were good, genuine reasons to take the course of action that led to Alistair abandoning the throne.  After reading the forums here, it's clear that quite a few of the people who defiled the Urn of Sacred Ashes did so pretty much just because they had a blind unreasoning hatred of Leliana and wanted an excuse to chop her up into tiny pieces and feed the chunks to the mabari.  We're talking about people who recruited her out of Lothering even though they hated her just so that they could personally kill her later on.

Why she provokes such a strong reaction from some people is something I will never understand.  I can understand plain, ordinary dislike.  But for some reason Leliana seems to generate in some people the same level of hatred that should be reserved for the likes of Stalin or Pol Pot.


And to them I say, "Thpppppppppppt!"




I've also been hearing that Zevran's appearence in DA2 also ignores whether you killed him or not - though since the Zevran-related quest can be easily excluded from the game (unlike Leliana's appearences), it's possible that's just a bug.

[Mox Ruuga]

Eumerin wrote...

Yes and no.  There were good, genuine reasons to take the course of action that led to Alistair abandoning the throne.  After reading the forums here, it's clear that quite a few of the people who defiled the Urn of Sacred Ashes did so pretty much just because they had a blind unreasoning hatred of Leliana and wanted an excuse to chop her up into tiny pieces and feed the chunks to the mabari.  We're talking about people who recruited her out of Lothering even though they hated her just so that they could personally kill her later on.

Why she provokes such a strong reaction from some people is something I will never understand.  I can understand plain, ordinary dislike.  But for some reason Leliana seems to generate in some people the same level of hatred that should be reserved for the likes of Stalin or Pol Pot.


And to them I say, "Thpppppppppppt!"

Yeah, I know, that was the reason I mentioned toxic Alistair fangirls, who seem to form the core group of people who hate Leliana... Here and in other fandom places like Deviant Art. Reading their rabid reactions to something as meaningless as the rumored Alistair & Leliana alternate universe romance in Darkspawn Chronicles was... disturbing, but hilarious at the same time. But such people are in the minority, most Alistair fans I've seen or talked to or read posts from are perfectly sensible, cool people.

And really, every character has their own hatedom in Dragon Age. Alistair, Leliana, and Morrigan are three of the most popular characters in the game in my experience, but all have rabid haters and adoring fans aplenty. The only universally liked ones are Shale and perhaps Bann Teagan, and the only nearly universally disliked one seems to be poor Isolde (I actually don't hate her myself).

Me? I liked every companion of DA:O, and all but one from DA:A.

I've also been hearing that Zevran's appearence in DA2 also ignores whether you killed him or not - though since the Zevran-related quest can be easily excluded from the game (unlike Leliana's appearences), it's possible that's just a bug.

There seem to be bugs involved with Zevran as well, but I won't go into detail here.

[Zubie]

SPARTAN 089-Gary wrote...

Well if it makes you feel any better. All save files that are Witch hunt ports into DA2 remove the Leliana romance. So if you want to hear Leliana talk about the warden with feelings for him/her when she appears in Sebastian's DLC. You're gonna have to import a DAO or DAA save cause Witch hunt ****s up the Leliana romance.

Are you sure its only Witch Hunt that causes this issue? Someone in another thread reported having this problem after importing an Awakening save.

Need to know before I restart my DA2 playthrough.....

[Eumerin]

You know...

I seem to recall that when ME2 came out someone released a utility that allowed you to hack the save game file and fix it to however you wanted.  Unfortunately I played ME2 on the 360, and thus was unable to use the utility - but the fact remains that someone apparently created it.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the only way to resolve the issue with Leliana while simultaneously bringing in all of the post-Origin plot-switches is going to require a similar utility for Dragon Age...

(and I can actually use something like that for my DA saves since I've been playing on the PC)

[Mox Ruuga]

Eumerin wrote...

You know...

I seem to recall that when ME2 came out someone released a utility that allowed you to hack the save game file and fix it to however you wanted.  Unfortunately I played ME2 on the 360, and thus was unable to use the utility - but the fact remains that someone apparently created it.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the only way to resolve the issue with Leliana while simultaneously bringing in all of the post-Origin plot-switches is going to require a similar utility for Dragon Age...

(and I can actually use something like that for my DA saves since I've been playing on the PC)

There were broken and/or unimplemented save transfer details in ME2, that were never fixed. The most jarring being the fact that Conrad Verner always thought you pulled a gun on him, no matter how you treated him in ME1. Why is it jarring? Well, this choice was the one the devs themselves touted early on as an example of how your choices would transfer from ME1 to ME2. Oops.

What I fear tho, is that these save file transfer issues will remain officially unfixed, and even if the fans do the devs job and fix them themselves, DA3 will only recognize the official "bugged" saves.