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[GSSAGE7]

When would you have asked Leliana's opinion? Once Morrigan tells you about the offer, it's pretty much "Say yes now, or say no, and I leave." Now, maybe her reaction to after the fact would be interesting, but I doubt you would've been able to ask while you had time to think about it.

[bleetman]

If you're male, maybe. Given that my female wardens had to convince Alistair anyway, there's plenty of time to sneak downstairs and talk with Leliana.

If you are male, well. It doesn't seem much of a stretch to demand a little time to consider. You have something Morrigan wants, she's offering something you might want, and neither of you have anyone else who can substitute for the other. She leaves if you flat out refuse, sure, but if she storms off to a 'maybe', how does that get her what she wants?

Modifié par bleetman, 21 avril 2011 - 02:10 .

[PickledGear]

Well maybe not about the dark ritual but maybe perhaps that a warden dies after killing an archdemon. How she would react to it.

[_Somebody]

SPARTAN 089-Gary wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

Bah you know what I hated how you don't get to talk to her at all the night when the Dark Ritual takes place other then the typical stuff.

God I wanted to have a conversation with her about it, Like if she approved or not, I didn't like doing it behind her back. I mean she tells us who she really is and spills her guts out to us. And what do we do? We secretly have sex with Morrigan. I know Morrigan says that Leliana would allow us to do so but still a heart felt conversation on what she thought would've been a nice touch.

Well for us Male Wardens who romanced her anyways. The Final battle gate kiss mod only works for Zevran it seems I was hoping that Leliana would do it as well but nothing ever happened. When you leave her at the gate it seems appropriate for a last kiss.

Couldnt you just get Alistair to do it instead then?

[Lenimph]

... Why can't I talk to her after I get Alistair to do it seriously... it's not like I was there watching ... or doing it... -.-

[GSSAGE7]

So I was thinking about something that I read a few hundred pages ago (yes, I read the entire topic, shut up). I saw someone say that the 2nd chance to start a romance with Leliana as a Male Warden, during the "Are you feeling better about what happened with Marjolaine?" convo was only supposed to work for females.
Does that mean male wardens are only supposed to have one chance to start a romance with Leliana?

[Bleachrude]

Personally I don't think Leliana could've been a Seeker from the beginning otherwise the guardian would've nailed her on it...Remember, said guardian had no problem figuring out Zevran's backstory.

[GSSAGE7]

Bleachrude wrote...

Personally I don't think Leliana could've been a Seeker from the beginning otherwise the guardian would've nailed her on it...Remember, said guardian had no problem figuring out Zevran's backstory.

But he only comments on things that the characters have doubts about. For all we know, Leliana had no doubts about her duty as Seeker.
But that's just me playing Devil's Advocate. I don't think she was a Seeker during Origins either.

[Nerdage]

Without getting all conspiracy theory I'd assumed her becoming a seeker had something to do with what she says in her letter in Awakening, but the more I think about it the less it makes sense. It seemed reasonable to assume she was chosen to be a seeker by the new divine because of their connection, but the last divine died unexpectedly in 9:34, which was after Awakening, wasn't it? Since the last divine thought enough of Dorothea to name her as her successor I guess Dorothea could've reccomended Leliana, but I still wonder why any grand cleric is involved, I don't know that Dorothea was ever grand cleric of anywhere, plus seekers don't answer to grand clerics, so maybe the grand cleric was a lie?

If she was made a seeker that early I wonder what happened to her relationship with the warden in the years before the warden goes missing. In act 3 of DA2 she can describe a noble warden as "a good king/queen" so they probably haven't disappeared by then (and I doubt they disappear sooner for romancing her), which leaves about six years unaccounted for (depending on how long after the end of DA2 Varric meets Cassandra). I'd like to think my warden followed her about being a spy/assassin (whatever seekers actually do), but who knows..

Modifié par nerdage, 24 avril 2011 - 04:22 .

[GSSAGE7]

After getting the "Dear to my heart" line in DA2, I noticed that Leliana almost seemed sad when she said that. Did anyone else but me get that impression?

[Wulfram]

The implication I got from the whole conversation is that she hasn't seen the Warden in some time - since she's been in Orlais working for the Divine and the Warden has presumably been at Vigil's Keep - so sadness is to be expected.

[GSSAGE7]

Wulfram wrote...

The implication I got from the whole conversation is that she hasn't seen the Warden in some time - since she's been in Orlais working for the Divine and the Warden has presumably been at Vigil's Keep - so sadness is to be expected.

But every epilogue says that the Warden leaves Vigil's Keep. I know, "hersay and rumor", but reguardless of what happened in Origins, after Awakening, The Warden always leaves.
More importantly, Teagan says that The Warden is due back in Denerim at the end of the King Alistair quest, so it seems that the Warden should be able to move about easier.

[Lenimph]

 Yes she did seem upset which makes me believe that she had not seen her/him in some time.

Also just for fun-
Leliana= The Reincarnation of Andraste?

The theory is not completely without merit.
Aside from the fact that she does believe the Maker spoke to her, they both rose to power after a blight and enjoy song. 

It would explain her coming back to life if the warden kills her. 

Modifié par Lenimph, 27 avril 2011 - 08:05 .

[tmp7704]

This theory gives a new spin on her line how the Warden must be a gift from the Maker.

... you get to be a piece of sexy meat provided to spice up their eternal marriage

[GSSAGE7]

Wait, that doesn't have to mean that the Warden is Maferath, does it?
Cause that would suck. Like, really suck.

[Lenimph]

 lol
It puts a new spin on a lot of things, especially her line about the Andraste statue in Leliana's Song.
Makes her look like a total egotist.  

Modifié par Lenimph, 27 avril 2011 - 10:26 .

[Lenimph]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Wait, that doesn't have to mean that the Warden is Maferath, does it?
Cause that would suck. Like, really suck.

Nah because Maferath wasn't a gift from the Maker because Andraste was married to him before her Maker love affair.  

The warden was after and therefor a "gift" 

[GSSAGE7]

Lenimph wrote...

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Wait, that doesn't have to mean that the Warden is Maferath, does it?
Cause that would suck. Like, really suck.

Nah because Maferath wasn't a gift from the Maker because Andraste was married to him before her Maker love affair.  

The warden was after and therefor a "gift" 

So then we won't have to worry about the wardens being pushed into a position where they have to betray Leliana? I guess that means we can put down the pitchforks.

[DancesWithScions]

pitchforks, Maferath,Wardens,gifts...what? (sounds like a dream of mine..)

so that makes Andraste a redhead?

im new in the Leli thread, but you people have some good taste in women,just got to say!

[GSSAGE7]

li009 wrote...
im new in the Leli thread, but you people have some good taste in women,just got to say!

But of course

[ZeRoToXiN]

Well, I finally finished DA2! I was slightly disappointed, despite knowing very well to expect from it, but it was an alright game in the end. It's still sad that Bioware will probably never make another game quite like Origins or their other older stuff.

I loved the very last scene in the game, for reasons all you in this thread should easily guess
She's the one character that actually looks better in DA2, and I can't believe she was the last person you saw before the game ends... It made me feel that much better about the ending.

Someday, I am definitely going to play DAO again (well, I have started on that a while back but stopped a few hours in), this time on the PC with an appearance mod to make Leliana look in the Sacred Ashes trailer and romance her and this time, her Warden will live and it will be a happy ending for them (yes, I chose the ultimate sacrifice for my first and 'canon' warden). Someday, as for now, I have way too big a backlog of games...

Modifié par ZeRoToXiN, 30 avril 2011 - 07:32 .

[GSSAGE7]

ZeRoToXiN wrote...

I loved the very last scene in the game, for reasons all you in this thread should easily guess
She's the one character that actually looks better in DA2, and I can't believe she was the last person you saw before the game ends... It made me feel that much better about the ending.

I personally believe the fact that she gets two cameos instead of one, and looks better than the other cameos is proof that Bioware likes her more than the other companions.

[Nerdage]

I was grinning like an idiot at the end of Awakening just for that one slide about Leliana (back before the letter was patched back in), but her appearance at the end of DA2 -- not just the fact that it was but also the hope it foreshadows her return for a major role down the line -- almost killed me.

Too bad I saw references to Leliana while the game was installing so I spent most of the game waiting for her to show up. Saw it install a zone called "Zevran Cave" too, which gave that one away nicely.

Modifié par nerdage, 30 avril 2011 - 10:40 .

[Zeleen]

the last scene DA2

Modifié par Zeleen, 01 mai 2011 - 12:05 .

[GSSAGE7]

Sorry to go off topic, but any word on if the patch (Xbox) for DA2 keeps the Awakening romance flags?
Golems has nothing to be imported, the default for Witch Hunt seems to be "Hero Stayed".
Awakening, though, has a few imports that may not be default, like if you stayed to protect Amarenthine. I dislike having to chose between Leliana and Awakening.