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[Mr.House]

csfteeeer wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

It isn't like Stolen Memory at all. They share a premise and that's it. The entire structure of the DLC, the way the story plays out, it's nothing at all like Stolen Memory.

And if you think telling people "stop saying it's not" will cause them to stop, think again.

Well i was told to Stop Trolling, and that never actually makes people stop, so...

But whatever, i'm not about to Start an Argument over this, i'm really not interested in talking a Disappointing DLC(for a game i don't even like)

[Yuqi]

I can confirm the banter in MOTA with lelliana,is different if she is in a romance. She is far less flirty, with talis if she is in a romance. A small thing,but better then nothing.

[Lenimph]

Yuqi wrote...

I can confirm the banter in MOTA with lelliana,is different if she is in a romance. She is far less flirty, with talis if she is in a romance. A small thing,but better then nothing.

Wait what? What does she say if she's not romanced by the warden ?

[Zjarcal]

Yes, what does she say if she's not romanced?!!?

[csfteeeer]

Mr.House wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

It
isn't like Stolen Memory at all. They share a premise and that's it.
The entire structure of the DLC, the way the story plays out, it's
nothing at all like Stolen Memory.

And if you think telling people "stop saying it's not" will cause them to stop, think again.

Well i was told to Stop Trolling, and that never actually makes people stop, so...

But
whatever, i'm not about to Start an Argument over this, i'm really not
interested in talking a Disappointing DLC(for a game i don't even like)

[smilie]http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab170/kraidy/stuff/DragonAge22011-10-1213-16-18-63.jpg[/smilie]

.... suddenly, i want nothing more than to talk about it.... don't know why...

Zjarcal wrote...

Yes, what does she say if she's not romanced?!!?

Well i got(and i'm pretty sure i used a Romanced File, although i'm not sure if i went through the DAO dlcs or not, i forgot):

Leliana: "Champion!it is good to see you again in... less Dire, circustances!"
Leliana: "I--Tallis?"
Tallis: "Leliana! it's so lovely to see...you.."
Leliana: "You Look Stunning this evening!, your Hair looks darling! Did you do it yourself"
Hawke: "I get the feeling you too have met before..."(Me: No ****, Sherlock)
Tallis: "Oh Briefly... a long time ago"
Leliana: "You Meet all sorts of People in Orlais, It keeps life exiting"
Hawke: "Blah Blah Blah(kind/diplomatic)
Leliana: "No! No trouble at all!"
Tallis: "Everything  is fine Hawke! Why would you think otherwise"
(The Following part is a simple good bye, saying that Leliana has other things to do)

What did everybody else got?

[Zjarcal]

Ok, I just started a new game and chose one of the default settings so that I had no romance imported, then skipped the prologue with the console and went straight to the DLC. I saw no difference in the dialogue or in Leli's attitude at all.

EDIT: Oh, and yes, that's the dialogue I got on both my romance import and the default state.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:39 .

[csfteeeer]

Then it's Probably a Bug.

[RagingCyclone]

*delurking* Zjar what romance import did you use? One through Awakening/WH/etc? Because last I knew those were bugged imports and sometimes do not trigger correctly in DA2. My romance import from Origins without the dlc's had a different convo with Leliana. Tomorrow I'll try to get the specifics, but I ran MotA twice, once with the Leliana romance and one with a Morrigan romance/King run, and the conversations were different in the two playthroughs.

[Lenimph]

Hey yo dude I used a direct import from DA:O and got the same dialog as csfteer

dude

[Zjarcal]

Yea I was thinking about that for a second, about the fact that I used Witch Hunt imports. But others have also gotten the same dialog with a clean save (with no Origins DLC), and I did have that mod installed that "fixed" Leli's approval thingy. If you do it again perhaps you could post the different convos please?

Modifié par Zjarcal, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:38 .

[Lenimph]

I just did it with my Mhawke that has no import and its the same. The only difference in the conversation depends on if you've already met Leliana or not but the actual conversation she has with Tallis is the same.

[GSSAGE7]

Random thought, why would Leliana even bring up the Warden in this context? It's unlike the first time, Hawke doesn't bring the Hero up, and it's unlikely that a Fereldan would be invited to an Orlesian gathering.

Not quite sure why Teagan and Isolde are there, though. Can't be fanservice, cause I don't think anyone likes Isolde.

[Nerdage]

Call me insecure but I like to think the warden's still on her mind. Still, I'm glad she doesn't just drop the warden's name for no reason, that would be a bit pathetic.

As for Isolde, perhaps she's there to remind Leliana fans just how well she actually fared on the transition into DA2, because Isolde looks wierd. I think it's the teeth being too low..

Modifié par nerdage, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:05 .

[Yuqi]

I think it might be a bug, or Iwas seriously sleep deprived on my second playthrough. After MOTA I'm getting more and more suspicious of Leliana.

Modifié par Yuqi, 13 octobre 2011 - 01:00 .

[Lenimph]

It's ok... just don't try the cheese next time.

[csfteeeer]

Yuqi wrote...

I think it might be a bug, or Iwas seriously sleep deprived on my second playthrough. After MOTA I'm getting more and more suspicious of Leliana.

because?

[Nerdage]

Because either Tallis' discomfort is going completely over her head (and I find it hard to believe a former bard could be that bad at reading people) or they both know something they aren't letting on, something apparently threatening to Tallis? I still think it's just that she's working for the chantry, but that's just a guess.

Or it's the cheese thing.

Modifié par nerdage, 15 octobre 2011 - 08:14 .

[Wulfram]

"Oh crap, the Divine's top agent is here. Does she know what I'm up to?" seems like a pretty natural reaction when you're on a mission.

Though Leliana apparently didn't know that Tallis was a Qunari agent - or if she did, she didn't tell Cassandra for some reason.

[What?]

I'd have to agree with Wulfram's guess: It's likely Tallis was under the impression Leliana was dispatched to apprehend her. From what we've seen in-game, the Chantry and Qunari are at extreme odds with each other; it's no surprise Tallis may have thought that Leliana was sent to haul her back to Justinia for 'questioning' regarding information on her potential (since Cassandra didn't know she was Qunari before Varric said so, I assume Leliana was unaware of it as well--or as Wulfram said, unwilling to tell Cassandra for some reason or another) involvement with the Qunari.

Though I wonder: the way Tallis talked to her seemed to denote she was scared of Leliana. Which entertains the thought that the two of them had some sort of show-down in the past in which Tallis got away; possibly Leliana 'interviewed' her for the Chantry and released her due to lack of evidence or third-party intervention, or something such. She got real cold when Tallis approached her. Whatever it was, Leliana likely failed at it and was unable to finish it at Prosper's, due to the fact they were in the middle of a garden party full of nobles. I sense some delicious conflict down the road.

All just conjecture, however. Still, it's an exciting thought. I, for one, like this 'darker' Leliana.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 15 octobre 2011 - 09:41 .

[GSSAGE7]

nerdage wrote...

Because either Tallis' discomfort is going completely over her head (and I find it hard to believe a former bard could be that bad at reading people) or they both know something they aren't letting on, something apparently threatening to Tallis? I still think it's just that she's working for the chantry, but that's just a guess.

My guess, Leliana just happened to be there, and the two of them met before, probably during DA: Redemption, considering she knows Leliana by face and name alone. If that's the case, Tallis is probably terrified, while Leliana just keeps her poker face.

[Lenimph]

Heh I love seeing Tallis so scared and Leliana just complementing her hair as if nothing was wrong. Anyway Leliana was definitely the agent Cassandra mentions while talking to Varric when she says "we had someone there" so apparently the Chantry already knew ahead of time that something was up at that party.

Modifié par Lenimph, 16 octobre 2011 - 03:23 .

[csfteeeer]

i assumed as much.
i have to say, that was pretty smart and sutil, so that her appearance wasn't just fanservice, like... all the other cameos(including the ones in the actual game).
I'm just hoping it was actual well thought-out sutil rather than just Bad Writing, as the cynic in me as the cynic that IS me wants to believe:P

Something Bugs me, however...

What's the actual time line for MotA?

If Leliana really is the agent the cassandra mentioned, then when did this happened?

MotA can happen in all of the acts, which could mean that she is already part of the chantrya year after the hole Blight issue, but does that mean that she is already part of the chantry during her time with the warden?

a lot could happen in a year, but this raises a lot more questions than answers.

This is why BW is bad with Choices.
They give freedom.... where they SHOULDN'T.

They should've just canonized MotA into the last act, cause all these DLCs just illogically blend themselves with the narrative, where they rpobably shouldn't have since it's much better to simply canonize something, instead of giving Freedom out of a simple whim.

Still though, this is interesting, it seems have plans for her, this seems like a build up for something, but for all we know it could end up being some half-assed codex entry(like i'm sure will happen with a lot of things that were left pending).

I'm hoping this is well thought, subtle writting in order to create build up for something great, instead of just more random **** that they will probably just forget about(and after DA2, i'm really not trusting them enough to believe in the former)

[Lenimph]

Leliana was working for the Chantry as early as Awakening. (As evidenced by the letter she sends the romanced Warden)

So it's more then possible she was working on and off for the Chantry the whole time span of DA2 after the blight. 

Modifié par Lenimph, 16 octobre 2011 - 03:22 .

[Yuqi]

@csfteeeer

Pretty much the same reasons as the above posts.


How does the warden fit into it all though? I mean would romancing her be of any benefit in the future? The more I think about it,the more it bothers me.

Forgetting 'head-cannon' for a moment. Could it be possible, she was using the warden as a means to an end? Considering her codex entry in Darkspawn Cronicals, it's possible she went after the power-figure in the group.

[csfteeeer]

Yuqi wrote...

@csfteeeer

Pretty much the same reasons as the above posts.


How does the warden fit into it all though? I mean would romancing her be of any benefit in the future? The more I think about it,the more it bothers me.

Forgetting 'head-cannon' for a moment. Could it be possible, she was using the warden as a means to an end? Considering her codex entry in Darkspawn Cronicals, it's possible she went after the power-figure in the group.

hmm...

maybe....

but i have no idea what could she possibly gain by romancing him/her, nor just traveling with him/her.
because, it really doesn't seem like she was trying.

i mean, afterall, the warden can be romanced by anybody else, without her interference, so  if that's true, she wasn't doing a very good job(only actually trying to romance female wardens, while needing(or..... perhaps, expecting?) to be courted by a male one to show interest).

Of Course, it could all just be Bad Gameplay-story segregation...

(about DSC, I refuse to that thing seriously, it just has "Wasted Potential" along with "Lore Butt****ing" written all over it, but i don't see how is impossible for her to simply find Alistair appealing.)


Side note:lol, although if this is true..... so, the TWO ONLY chicks (who aren't old enough to be everyone's grandmother) who travel with you have the desire of using you(Morrigan for the OGB, Leliana for.... whatever unknown reason)?.... Man, that's some bad luck for a male warden(who doesn't want to romance Zev), lol.