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[BrunoB1971]

wicked, do not mind arrtis, he is just rubbing you the wrong way and from the looks of it does not seem to understand the dynamics of a business its written and unwritten rules.



a game is nothing, he would change his tone if he got burned by a bad business deal that would jeopardize his way of living.

[WonderGamer]

I can definately understand the agitation over the 1.03 patch & I'm not going to leave myself out of that percentage either.  It would be better to manage that anger however, rather than flaming on the forums & having an obvious arguement with the BioWare staff.  Sure we may not agree with them, but they're likely to start banning accounts if the heat continues to build (possibly revoking our purchased DLC as well).  I personally reverted back to 1.02a since 1.03 caused more problems than fixing them.  For those who have a fire building in them because of the problems with 1.03 & the lack of updates since that patch, perhaps you should try doing the same.  The only thing that bothers me after reverting back is that I can't use the Feastday content, but I'd rather have a playable version rather than running into bugs around every corner.

[Arrtis]

BrunoB1971 wrote...

wicked, do not mind arrtis, he is just rubbing you the wrong way and from the looks of it does not seem to understand the dynamics of a business its written and unwritten rules.

a game is nothing, he would change his tone if he got burned by a bad business deal that would jeopardize his way of living.

sounds like you guys hold a grudge
and you take it out on a game company
great:lol:
everything comes with risks
you decide what your risking most of the time.

[Wicked 702]

Yeah, no worries Bruno. I'm mostly in a good mood today. Only called one person dumb so far....



I'm obviously not deluding myself either. I mean, there's very little that "I" can do about this. I'm completely beholden to the whims of Bioware. If they patch, they patch. If they don't, I gots nothing. If I take a legal route and actually win (because there's ALWAYS a chance you'll lose) what's that really get me? $60 at most, maybe? It's obviously not worth it from a logical standpoint.



I'm not dumb. I know that my words are mostly empty. However, I'm also a mature adult (albeit one that insults people childishly sometimes) that doesn't NEED the next great "thing" to be happy. I want to support this company, I have for going on 15 years now. But like many others I'm starting to think they need to give me a reason to do so next time instead of me just blindly jumping in the pool. Ya know?



Looking forward to tomorrow though. Any follow through with the original plan and promises (*snicker*, arttis didn't like that word last time) of updates gets big points with me. I just wish we weren't starting in the negative.

[Fexelea]

Arrtis if you have nothing to add to this discussion regarding the patch please go troll somewhere else.



The developer has announced works in a patch and it would be nice to be able to tell then what needs fixing without having to explain further to an uninterested party such as yourself.

[joey_mork84]

WonderGamer wrote...
*Snip*
It would be better to manage that anger however, rather than flaming on the forums & having an obvious arguement with the BioWare staff.  Sure we may not agree with them, but they're likely to start banning accounts if the heat continues to build (possibly revoking our purchased DLC as well).
*Snip*
For those who have a fire building in them because of the problems with 1.03 & the lack of updates since that patch, perhaps you should try doing the same.
*Snip*

I agreee with all of this.. There's especially no reason to flame at those of us who were lucky enough to NOT have bugs or issues with 1.03.

[Arrtis]

Fexelea wrote...

Arrtis if you have nothing to add to this discussion regarding the patch please go troll somewhere else.

The developer has announced works in a patch and it would be nice to be able to tell then what needs fixing without having to explain further to an uninterested party such as yourself.

I am quite interested thank you:?

[BrunoB1971]

arrtis and some other people have had to come out out of the fairy world that they live in and look into reality in the face.

you have to respect that other people are not having a good time with this situation. if you yourself have no problem, then fine. but you do not brinbg anything to the discussion other thaan saying that everything is allright while you say so, ten or more other people will say the contrary so sont come in and try to make a group of people liars or say that that group of people are on something and that they only see the black in things.



this thread as ended being mostly abount a discussion on the upcoming patch to fix the problem and the frustration of players. for the moment i do not think it should be about...``all is rosy in my corner of the universe`` and i dont see anything wrong, because if this would be the case then this thread would not even exists because there would be no need for it....

[Fexelea]

Arrtis wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Arrtis if you have nothing to add to this discussion regarding the patch please go troll somewhere else.

The developer has announced works in a patch and it would be nice to be able to tell then what needs fixing without having to explain further to an uninterested party such as yourself.

I am quite interested thank you:?

You are interested in the patch being developed and fixing issues? In that case, you are being rather contradictory in your posts.

[Arrtis]

Fexelea wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Arrtis if you have nothing to add to this discussion regarding the patch please go troll somewhere else.

The developer has announced works in a patch and it would be nice to be able to tell then what needs fixing without having to explain further to an uninterested party such as yourself.

I am quite interested thank you:?

You are interested in the patch being developed and fixing issues? In that case, you are being rather contradictory in your posts.

I do not believe i am.

[Wicked 702]

Well yes. The sheer amount of technological knowledge fail from a lot of those people is actually hurtful to the discussion. I certainly have no right to tell them not to post that "everything's fine with me, bzzzzzz" but then a lot of them follow up with comments like "maybe it's YOUR fault" with some completely uninformed babble about something (settings, configuration, hardware, etc.).



Yes people, the quest reward didn't appear in my inventory because of a hardware incompatibility issue. WHAT?

[joey_mork84]

Arrtis wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Arrtis if you have nothing to add to this discussion regarding the patch please go troll somewhere else.

The developer has announced works in a patch and it would be nice to be able to tell then what needs fixing without having to explain further to an uninterested party such as yourself.

I am quite interested thank you:?

You are interested in the patch being developed and fixing issues? In that case, you are being rather contradictory in your posts.

I do not believe i am.

Easy killer.. Try not to fan the flames too much..

[Fexelea]

@Arrtis: If you want to contribute to the discussion you could then let other people posts their needed fixes without trying to troubleshoot them yourself or make unnecessary remarks, as there are plenty of rather big issues that need to be outlined for Bioware to act on.

[BrunoB1971]

Victor Wachter wrote...

Master Bandit wrote...

Hm, no bug update today either:crying: 

Crossing fingers for friday then:wizard:

If I were an 8-ball, I would say "signs point to yes."

victor should make a new locked thread on this so that nobody contaminates it, well keep arguing in this thread instead....

[joey_mork84]

BrunoB1971 wrote...

Victor Wachter wrote...

Master Bandit wrote...

Hm, no bug update today either:crying: 

Crossing fingers for friday then:wizard:

If I were an 8-ball, I would say "signs point to yes."

victor should make a new locked thread on this so that nobody contaminates it, well keep arguing in this thread instead....

joey_mork84 Approves +100

[joey_mork84]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Well yes. The sheer amount of technological knowledge fail from a lot of those people is actually hurtful to the discussion. I certainly have no right to tell them not to post that "everything's fine with me, bzzzzzz" but then a lot of them follow up with comments like "maybe it's YOUR fault" with some completely uninformed babble about something (settings, configuration, hardware, etc.).

Yes people, the quest reward didn't appear in my inventory because of a hardware incompatibility issue. WHAT?

I actually agree with you on something.. Is the thread going to collapse? lol

[Feraele]

BrunoB1971 wrote...

Then Stanley, people will lose respect for your company. I am sorry but you have just proven again to me and probably some other people that Bioware is not ready to admit a Mea Culpa and be done with.

I will not support Bioware again even though i like the vision of what they have offered. Too bad that a great canadian company has come to this...what a waste...

It is YOUR assumption and the assumption of many others in this thread that "Bioware is guilty"...guilty of what hehe.

Guilty of spending the time it takes to do their jobs?   Guilty of working on patches and bug fixes that are time consuming and require the head nod of Sony, Microsoft AND Nintendo before they are ever accepted and released as patches?

Go ahead and lose respect,  sounds like you already have, so why belabour the point?  You "say" you will not support Bioware again.....

WHY??   Are you still here?  ^^  

*dusts off Bruno's soapbox and walks away*

[Feraele]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Well yes. The sheer amount of technological knowledge fail from a lot of those people is actually hurtful to the discussion. I certainly have no right to tell them not to post that "everything's fine with me, bzzzzzz" but then a lot of them follow up with comments like "maybe it's YOUR fault" with some completely uninformed babble about something (settings, configuration, hardware, etc.).

Yes people, the quest reward didn't appear in my inventory because of a hardware incompatibility issue. WHAT?

Sounds like you took a generalized statement or two personally.    If you took it personally maybe it does apply to you

"some" people like to discuss and attempt to figure out issues.    Instead of coming to a thread with a verbal baseball bat, and browbeating anyone "official" that dares to show up and try to put things right.

[Fexelea]

Feraele wrote...
It is YOUR assumption and the assumption of many others in this thread that "Bioware is guilty"...guilty of what hehe.

Actually quite a few people have expressed that feeling so he isn't assuming that the feeling exists

Feraele wrote...
Guilty of spending the time it takes to do their jobs?  

No I think they actually think Bioware is guilty of quite the opposite.

Feraele wrote...
Guilty of working on patches and bug fixes that are time consuming and require the head nod of Sony, Microsoft AND Nintendo before they are ever accepted and released as patches?

You are aware Nintendo has nothing to do with Dragon Age right?
Patches are indeed time consuming and costly. They are also a necessity of the product life cycle, especially if you want to sell add-ons to a platform (DA) that doesn't work (like mine, I can't buy DLC)

Feraele wrote...
Go ahead and lose respect,  sounds like you already have, so why belabour the point?  You "say" you will not support Bioware again.....

Because he is actually open to dialog and willing to be proved wrong? Because he hopes that Bioware will read his and many other responses (see ps3 support ught) and feedback on very dissapointed gamers and readdress its strategy?

Feraele wrote...
WHY??   Are you still here?  ^^  

See above

[joey_mork84]

Feraele wrote...

Sounds like you took a generalized statement or two personally.    If you took it personally maybe it does apply to you

"some" people like to discuss and attempt to figure out issues.    Instead of coming to a thread with a verbal baseball bat, and browbeating anyone "official" that dares to show up and try to put things right.

I think a few people here have taken things a bit too personally.. Makes things worse when someone says they have no bugs with thier game (check a page or two back). Basically, it sounds like if you don't have anything to complain about (whether you have relevent information or not) you're not suppose to post here. That's the consensus, so far, anyway..

[Drewbahr]

joey_mork84 wrote...

I do play the PC version, in fact and I've saved so many times that I've actually had to delete some so I could continue saving. And I sell stuff A LOT, so that's not it either.

Oh, and ANY info on it is helpful. I've already submitted my rig info and all my game info (DLC, mods, ect.) to help even further. What ISN'T helpful is attacking people for saying they have no bugs.

Bioware:  "We're releasing a patch covering a number of bugs.  We need more information on what bugs are out there."

You:  "I have no bugs"

How is that helping?

Regardless, you play on a PC.  I play on an XBox 360.  They know my specs because they are standard and unmodified.  I can't mod the game.  They have everything they need from me.  Point is, most of the bugs that need fixing are widespread on the console versions of the game - the PC version has received a number of patches as well as custom mods from other players.

So saying that you have a bug-free experience on a bug-free platform, does little to help a bug report thread.

[Fexelea]

Oh I have absolutely no issues with people posting "I haven't had that issue". I do have an issue with people posting "be grateful Bioware is even making a patch!" or "The game isn't perfect but it's ok for me so you must deal with it"...

[Wicked 702]

Feraele wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

Well yes. The sheer amount of technological knowledge fail from a lot of those people is actually hurtful to the discussion. I certainly have no right to tell them not to post that "everything's fine with me, bzzzzzz" but then a lot of them follow up with comments like "maybe it's YOUR fault" with some completely uninformed babble about something (settings, configuration, hardware, etc.).

Yes people, the quest reward didn't appear in my inventory because of a hardware incompatibility issue. WHAT?

Sounds like you took a generalized statement or two personally.    If you took it personally maybe it does apply to you

"some" people like to discuss and attempt to figure out issues.    Instead of coming to a thread with a verbal baseball bat, and browbeating anyone "official" that dares to show up and try to put things right.

Two things. One, I play this game on the Xbox. If it's a hardware configuration issue it couldn't possibly be my fault as there's only one possible configuration. That said, I think you were misunderstanding my point. There's a huge difference between "I have no issues, but I recognize the possibility of such" and "I have no issues, and therefore they don't exist." People doing what I described above are in the latter category. And they have no clue what they're talking about.

Two: I challenge you to find a SINGLE post of mine where I attack anyone "official." (In a personal fashion.) Don't lump me in with the others here you obviously disagree with. I only attack other forum members because of inaccuracies, misinformation, assumptions, etc. As I've already mentioned before, my relationship to Bioware is strictly business. There's no emotion in it. My relationship with other human beings, however, does contain emotion. That, I admit freely.

Edit: Clarity.

Modifié par Wicked 702, 11 juin 2010 - 12:50 .

[Feraele]

Fexelea wrote...

Feraele wrote...
It is YOUR assumption and the assumption of many others in this thread that "Bioware is guilty"...guilty of what hehe.

Actually quite a few people have expressed that feeling so he isn't assuming that the feeling exists

Feraele wrote...
Guilty of spending the time it takes to do their jobs?  

No I think they actually think Bioware is guilty of quite the opposite.

Feraele wrote...
Guilty of working on patches and bug fixes that are time consuming and require the head nod of Sony, Microsoft AND Nintendo before they are ever accepted and released as patches?

You are aware Nintendo has nothing to do with Dragon Age right?
Patches are indeed time consuming and costly. They are also a necessity of the product life cycle, especially if you want to sell add-ons to a platform (DA) that doesn't work (like mine, I can't buy DLC)

Feraele wrote...
Go ahead and lose respect,  sounds like you already have, so why belabour the point?  You "say" you will not support Bioware again.....

Because he is actually open to dialog and willing to be proved wrong? Because he hopes that Bioware will read his and many other responses (see ps3 support ught) and feedback on very dissapointed gamers and readdress its strategy?

Feraele wrote...
WHY??   Are you still here?  ^^  

See above

Thanks for breaking my points into little bitty bite sized pieces.      

Open to dialog and willing to be proved wrong..I don't see that here.   What I see here is alot of ranting and carry on...alot of browbeating of the moderators that "dare" to show up in this thread.   Alot of disrespect. 

My solution to this sort of thing is this?     I am unhappy........okay   I write a letter,   no response or  a response that doesn't address the problem.

I stop,  close my account,  uninstall the game.

I don't sit on a forum for months on end...making a spectacle of myself as these folks have.   

I am not missing the point that the console players have had MAJOR issues btw.       I am not ignoring that at all.

I just believe its time that...seeing that Victor has made a few statements in regards to the upcoming 1.04 patch ..that people sit tight and see what results from that.

Pitching a fit ..isn't going to hurry things up nor make anyone work any faster than they are able to.

And...in my house the "squeaky wheel" does not get the grease, instead it gets a walk to the spare room and the door closed on it for awhile.      Till it gives its head a shake and is willing to speak reasonably..and sensibly.

Alot of the nonsense ..tantrums etc I see on these forums, remind me of the folks on the Jerry Springer show....interesting at first,  but entirely people you would never associate with in real life.

[joey_mork84]

Drewbahr wrote...

joey_mork84 wrote...

I do play the PC version, in fact and I've saved so many times that I've actually had to delete some so I could continue saving. And I sell stuff A LOT, so that's not it either.

Oh, and ANY info on it is helpful. I've already submitted my rig info and all my game info (DLC, mods, ect.) to help even further. What ISN'T helpful is attacking people for saying they have no bugs.

Bioware:  "We're releasing a patch covering a number of bugs.  We need more information on what bugs are out there."

You:  "I have no bugs"

How is that helping?

Regardless, you play on a PC.  I play on an XBox 360.  They know my specs because they are standard and unmodified.  I can't mod the game.  They have everything they need from me.  Point is, most of the bugs that need fixing are widespread on the console versions of the game - the PC version has received a number of patches as well as custom mods from other players.

So saying that you have a bug-free experience on a bug-free platform, does little to help a bug report thread.

So adding relevant information isn't helping? But flaming the people that give the relevant info is? Not hardly.