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[Rubbish Hero]

Everything about Bethesda's presentation is bad.

Metro 2033 isn't even a role playing game and it feels far more like you are in a role as opposed to a single player MMO with emotionless NPC's with odd zoomy faces that pause time surrounding them.

[MassOverload]

Rubbish Hero, are you just here to annoy people by insulting other game companies? Every one is entitled to their own opinion, but damn. Shut up.

Modifié par MassOverload, 13 juin 2010 - 11:29 .

[Rubbish Hero]

It's rather posturing why they didn't fix the animated dead person time stopping face problem when going from Oblivion to Fallout 3.All they needed to do was a simple camera cut than am off putting facial zoom. It's also rather odd that they didn't fix the mediocre third person animations. Modders all but fixed this for Oblivion. Very lazy developer to not address these rather obvious problems.

[Seagloom]

Funkcase, it's perfectly fine to disagree with Rubbish Hero. I sometimes do too, but I ask you cut out the personal attacks, please. Thank you.

Modifié par Seagloom, 13 juin 2010 - 11:48 .

[Rubbish Hero]

slimgrin wrote...You've made your bias clear. And yes, as I have said, Bethesda games are lacking in certain areas. But I know of no other developer who can make games as immersive and engaging as they can. The attention to detail, and the scope of their games has no equal. Other developers try to make meaningfull openworld games, but Bethesda is the master at it. Fallout 3 and Oblivion are among the most beloved and highly praised games that have ever been made. Metro 2033 got average reviews and will be forgotten about in less than a year. The best graphics in the world can't save a mediocre game. Fallout 3 is epic. Metro 2033 is a barely passable horror game, in an endless string of barely passable horror games.   

Morrowind was fairly immersing, Oblivion wasn't Fallout 3 wasn't. You  see, part of the charmes with these older games, such as Morrowind or  System Shock 2, or in general, text based games, is tthat they require
more input from the player (you) than newer games, with filled in voice  acting, animations, cinmatography and all that jazz. Whem you play  System Shock 2 and are guides purely by audio logs, you visualize it  yourself using your own imagation to become engaged than being spoon fed a poor attempt to emulate a Hollywood movie, like pretty much every new AAA game that comes out these days. It's partly why Stalker is far more immersijng than Bioshock, Fallout 3, Oblivion, Grand Theft Auto 4 e.t.c... other than the worlds ambiance and some dodgy Russian voice overs, it is devoid of the "I want to benlike a motion picture" cheese currently encompassing these newer
games with high production values. You know One Flew Over the  Coo Coo Nest when Jack Nicholson is laying in the bed at the end of the  movie brain dead with a frothy mouse, his magnicent indepence taken away. That's gaming at the moment, it needs an Indian man to kill it.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 13 juin 2010 - 11:57 .

[_-Greywolf-_]

slimgrin wrote...

You've made your bias clear. And yes, as I have said, Bethesda games are lacking in certain areas. But I know of no other developer who can make games as immersive and engaging as they can. The attention to detail, and the scope of their games has no equal. Other developers try to make meaningfull openworld games, but Bethesda is the master at it. Fallout 3 and Oblivion are among the most beloved and highly praised games that have ever been made.

Wow did you get your copies of Oblivion and Fallout 3 from Bizarro World or something because the versions I played were the exact oposite. As a developer Bethesda seem to have a policy of quantity over quality and while Bethesda does have its good points the areas you suggest they excel in are in my opinion exactly where they are hopelessly lacking. In fact the only real highlight for me in Bethesdas games is their moddability.

Dont get me wrong I did enjoy Oblivion and Fallout 3 to some extent, but I would hardly call them great games and Bethesda is hardly the master of anything.

Heres hoping that Obsidian can actually bring some life back into the Fallout franchise.

[_-Greywolf-_]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The problem with the developer not the console.
Metro 2033 on console but good on the pc also due to the developer not being lazy.
It's pretty clear the people who made Metro 2033 put there hart in soul into it than just baning out product.

Actually I do agree with this, while Metro 2033 wasnt a great game it was still a pretty good game and I did get the impression that those who worked on it did care about their game instead of just trying to push a game out onto the market to make money. If you just look at one of the outposts in Metro 2033 you will see that the game has much more life, soul and atmosphere than Fallout 3 ever had.

[Loerwyn]

For all Bethesda suck, they own two of the biggest franchises in RPGs (Elder Scrolls and Fallout) and have had a lot of success with them.

Yeah, OK, I'll agree that Bethesda, as a developer, are poor. Their games are buggy, the animations are a bit naff, the combat is lackluster, they have about 3 voice actors and so forth, but on the other hand they make some absolutely amazing games that you can lose yourself in hour after hour.

And, of course, their quest-based DLC is absolutely sublime - especially the Fallout 3 releases.

[Loerwyn]

I think BioWare need some, too.

As much as I like both companies, they both really need to work on presentation. And Bethesda really need to put their butchered version of the Gamebryo engine to sleep - It feels like it's held together with duct tape.

[Loerwyn]

Gamebryo is fine, it's just what Bethesda did to it. I've had no problems with Civ IV, for example.

[ObserverStatus]

Anyone else think Highdragonslayer needs a hydralisk avatar?

[Dethateer]

slimgrin wrote...


Yeah, you know what, Oblivion and Fallout 3 are just average games. All the critics who praise them, and the countless copies sold must be some sort of fluke. In fact they both suck.

Cool story bro. Now we have two blindly biased people on this thread. 

By that logic, Halo's the best game ever.

[_-Greywolf-_]

slimgrin wrote...

Yeah, you know what, Oblivion and Fallout 3 are just average games. All the critics who praise them, and the countless copies sold must be some sort of fluke. In fact they both suck.

Cool story bro. Now we have two blindly biased people on this thread. 

Somebody ****** in your coffee today slimgrin? How does speaking my mind make me blind and biased? I dont care if 100 reviewers tell me I should like a game, I will make up my own mind on whether I think a game is good or not. I have played both Fallout 3 and Oblivion and quite frankly I was pretty underwhelmed by the quality of both of them. Does this mean they are terrible games? No of course not, but neither are they great games, they certainly have a lot of areas they need to improve on.

Now I dont care if you think Oblivion and Fallout 3 are the greatest games ever made, you are entitled to your own opinion after all, but this doesnt mean I have to share it.

[Rubbish Hero]

Yea, games are a big money machine now trying controlled by an evil network of greedy fatcats.

Reviewers can't even be trusted and gamers for the most part, are sheep being pulled along the river of badness..

[Funkcase]

The Escapist is making a quiz about the FNV E3 trailer. The five lucky winners get a £100 Amazon gift card! The prizes are only available to USA unfortunately 
If you feel Fallout intelligent, go over to there and take the quiz!



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[Funkcase]

Double post

Modifié par Funkcase, 14 juin 2010 - 12:54 .

[Funkcase]

F:NV  at E3
1UP E3 schedule (Note that all times are PST.) Tuesday, June 15th
Afternoon Fallout: New Vegas Hands-on Preview Scooter gets some seriously-extensive playtime.
Afternoon Fallout: New Vegas Live Demo Scott Sharkey gets a walkthrough of the new Fallout game.
IGN E3 Live (Schedule subject to change. All times PDT.) Wednesday 5:20 pm Fallout: New Vegas
Gamespot E3 Live Show Schedule (All times are PDT.) Thursday (Day 3) 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM Fallout: New Vegas

Modifié par Funkcase, 14 juin 2010 - 12:52 .

[Funkcase]

The Fallout: New Vegas release dates have finally been announced. The game will be available in North America October 19th, and in Europe on October 22nd. A day before the bombs fell. Don't know why. Just 4 months and 12 days to go!!! The release dates for the rest of the world have not yet been revealed