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[Elhanan]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

How come Loghain can lost so long in the duel, yet in the final battle he keeps dying! Although he did kill 3 ogres in the market!

He readily accepted Arl Howe's advice during the civil strife, and look at how well that worked. OTOH, the Warden has the respec mod....

[LadyDamodred]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

How come Loghain can lost so long in the duel, yet in the final battle he keeps dying! Although he did kill 3 ogres in the market!

My Naked Barbarian Alistair destroyed Loghain the last time I had the duel.  It was amazing. 

[nos_astra]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

How come Loghain can lost so long in the duel, yet in the final battle he keeps dying! Although he did kill 3 ogres in the market!

My Naked Barbarian Alistair destroyed Loghain the last time I had the duel.  It was amazing. 

What? Did we have screenshots of this event?

[Tirigon]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And at the same time, you think executing deserters is wrong, despite the fact it can potentially harm your position.

I do.

I do also think that, morale-wise, executing or otherwise punishing Loghain is wrong if you are one of those who can excuse his crimes and don´t think he deserves punishment.

However, if I have the choice between making one "innocent" (if you truly want Loghain consider as such) suffer and having to fight another civil war because everyone thinks you´re their enemy, then, well.... screw morality for once.

On the other hand, I´m fine with the reason "I execute Alistair because he is a possible threat" or with "I execute deserters to prevent further desertions".
These are valid reasons, though I personally disagree because 1) Alistair is no threat, imo and 2) I rather have a few loyal soldiers than many cowards, so I don´t mind if the cowards desert.

What I think is wrong is to execute him as punishment for his "crime" (the desertion) because I don´t think he should be forced to obey you, and if he wants to leave, it´s his right.

[Tirigon]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Thanks.  I did get him where I wanted him to be.  I don't use mods but approval plus rings/necklaces/belts were fine.  I actually kept the River Dane Armor because, well, it's The Man's trademark and it's not a bad set.

I was just pointing out the inconsistency in the original game does exist.  It's like you chopped off his manhood.   Creative minds might use the excuse that The Joining weakened him initially.  It is poison after all.

Anyway - yeah he can be made playable enough that it's worth it to use him.  I know.  But thanks.

Is the River Dane armor truly so bad? I haven´t seen it in vanilla, only the version in Improved Atmosphere, and while it is not the very best armor in the entire game it´s definitely one of the best.

[LadyDamodred]

klarabella wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

How come Loghain can lost so long in the duel, yet in the final battle he keeps dying! Although he did kill 3 ogres in the market!

My Naked Barbarian Alistair destroyed Loghain the last time I had the duel.  It was amazing. 

What? Did we have screenshots of this event?

I did post some in the other thread, but let me share here:

[Costin_Razvan]

Yeah Lady Damodred. Do that on insanity with Improved Atmosphere, and I will be impressed.

 so I just keep him in the Dane Armor for aesthetics

I think the River Dane Armor looks like ****, it's just a edited version of the Chevalier Armor so...

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 juin 2010 - 01:53 .

[LadyDamodred]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Yeah Lady Damodred. Do that on insanity with Improved Atmosphere, and I will be impressed.

 so I just keep him in the Dane Armor for aesthetics

I think the River Dane Armor looks like ****, it's just a edited version of the Chevalier Armor so...

I won't use IA, so I can't do that for you.  I think this was on Hard?  It was actually pretty creepy how easy the fight was.  I mean, it was really easy.  Loghain landed like 2 hits and it was over in like 30 seconds.  It's like Naked Barbarian Alistair has some sort of bonus we never knew about.

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I think the River Dane Armor looks like ****, it's just a edited version of the Chevalier Armor so...

Well, according to "The Calling" Loghain´s armor was originally the armor of the Orlaisian commander he killed at River Dane.

So it makes sense that it looks similar to Chevalier´s armor.

[Costin_Razvan]

I won't use IA, so I can't do that for you. I think this was on Hard? It was actually pretty creepy how easy the fight was. I mean, it was really easy. Loghain landed like 2 hits and it was over in like 30 seconds. It's like Naked Barbarian Alistair has some sort of bonus we never knew about.

How many tomes did you feed him?

 Well that is totally a matter of opinion.  It's a knight's shining armor.  I think the Dane and the Juggernaut sets are the most beautiful in the game.  In fact, the Juggernaut helm looks great on Loghain in his Dane armor.

But to each their own.

I agree the Juggernaut set looks awesome and the Helm from that set fit's Loghain's very well. I would have agreed that the River Dane set was good looking, until I realized it was just a retexture of the massive human armor set/chevalier armor.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 juin 2010 - 02:02 .

[Tirigon]

LadyDamodred wrote...

I won't use IA, so I can't do that for you.  I think this was on Hard?  It was actually pretty creepy how easy the fight was.  I mean, it was really easy.  Loghain landed like 2 hits and it was over in like 30 seconds.  It's like Naked Barbarian Alistair has some sort of bonus we never knew about.

*friendly mocking*

Probably Loghain was so busy facepalming when he saw naked Ali and his fangirls that he had no time to fight back.

In-game property of Naked Alistair:

This look makes your foes sick and causes them to *facepalm*. Inflicts -40 attack and defense to all enemies around Alistair, and makes them facepalm unless they pass a mental resistance check. Facepalming adds another -100 defense and -20 armor penalty for the duration of the effect

:P:P:P:P:P

[nos_astra]

It's the helmet. The Thane helmet holds secrets powers, like Duncan's beard. But it only works on NBA.

Modifié par klarabella, 08 juin 2010 - 02:04 .

[LadyDamodred]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I won't use IA, so I can't do that for you. I think this was on Hard? It was actually pretty creepy how easy the fight was. I mean, it was really easy. Loghain landed like 2 hits and it was over in like 30 seconds. It's like Naked Barbarian Alistair has some sort of bonus we never knew about.

How many tomes did you feed him?

None.  This is what I'm saying about the fight being creepily easy.  I can pull up his stats for the fight, if you really want me to.

Though, this was a pre1.3 patch Alistair, so all his magic points were re-allocated.  But still!  Even in armor it wasn't this easy!

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 08 juin 2010 - 02:05 .

[LadyDamodred]

Tirigon wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

I won't use IA, so I can't do that for you.  I think this was on Hard?  It was actually pretty creepy how easy the fight was.  I mean, it was really easy.  Loghain landed like 2 hits and it was over in like 30 seconds.  It's like Naked Barbarian Alistair has some sort of bonus we never knew about.

*friendly mocking*

Probably Loghain was so busy facepalming when he saw naked Ali and his fangirls that he had no time to fight back.

In-game property of Naked Alistair:

This look makes your foes sick and causes them to *facepalm*. Inflicts -40 attack and defense to all enemies around Alistair, and makes them facepalm unless they pass a mental resistance check. Facepalming adds another -100 defense and -20 armor penalty for the duration of the effect

:P:P:P:P:P

Awesome!  See?  This is why the Alistairians have so much NBA in their games.

[Costin_Razvan]

None. This is what I'm saying about the fight being creepily easy. I can pull up his stats for the fight, if you really want me to.



Though, this was a pre1.3 patch Alistair, so all his magic points were re-allocated. But still! Even in armor it wasn't this easy!

What the....now that's bloody unexpected.

[LadyDamodred]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

None. This is what I'm saying about the fight being creepily easy. I can pull up his stats for the fight, if you really want me to.

Though, this was a pre1.3 patch Alistair, so all his magic points were re-allocated. But still! Even in armor it wasn't this easy!

What the....now that's bloody unexpected.

It is!  I was not expecting it to happen the way it did.  No one was more shocked than I.  It was embarrassing.  Loghain was probably very glad he got executed after that fight. 

Kinda pissed I didn't have Fraps running at the time to capture the fight.  *shakes fist*

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 08 juin 2010 - 02:11 .

[Costin_Razvan]

You can't replicate it?

[LadyDamodred]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

You can't replicate it?

I can try, but no two fights ever go the same way.  Maybe I will do that later today and see.

[Giggles_Manically]

My Mage PC beat Loghain silly, Glyphs and Paralysis, plus Crushing Prison, is cheap.



Is it true that there was dialouge if you used Blood Magic in the Landsmeet. It would make sense since there are templars there who can see you.

[phaonica]

Xandurpein wrote...

At the risk of repeating myself. I'm convinced that one reason we are given so few options in dealing with Loghain, is that many of those options people are asking for, would make the Anora marries Alistair options unworkable.

Yes, this might be true, too. I just was disappointed that the "most sensible" choice was dictated to me. Especially if the game is purposely funneling you into making the "correct" choices that will allow only for Ferelden's happy ending. Perhaps it is a bad business decision to allow for too easily getting an unhappy ending for Ferelden. Players might be like "I played through the whole game, hours and hours, united the country, and defeated the Archdemon, and Ferelden *still* civil-warred itself to death later. This game sucks."

[Asdara]

phaonica wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

At the risk of repeating myself. I'm convinced that one reason we are given so few options in dealing with Loghain, is that many of those options people are asking for, would make the Anora marries Alistair options unworkable.

Yes, this might be true, too. I just was disappointed that the "most sensible" choice was dictated to me. Especially if the game is purposely funneling you into making the "correct" choices that will allow only for Ferelden's happy ending. Perhaps it is a bad business decision to allow for too easily getting an unhappy ending for Ferelden. Players might be like "I played through the whole game, hours and hours, united the country, and defeated the Archdemon, and Ferelden *still* civil-warred itself to death later. This game sucks."

Hell with that.  My character's job was to stop the Blight, not "save Ferelden" from itself.  That was just a means to the end of stopping the Archdemon before the horde Blighted more of Thedas.  Granted, my human nobles probably would have been more concerned with the political state of Ferelden both before and after - particularly if they get get some lands back and find out about Fergus etc.  My Dalish Elves probably don't give a whiff in the wind for any of the political nonsense.  It isn't like any new government is going to welcome them out of the wandering life - and in the confusion of more civil war they might be left alone.  Dwarves, I would imagine, have their own political issues to worry about without thinking about the surfacer problems above - not like the surface does much for them outside of trade - and trade supposedly improves in the weapons and armor department during a war no? 

[Addai]

Tirigon wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

I won't use IA, so I can't do that for you.  I think this was on Hard?  It was actually pretty creepy how easy the fight was.  I mean, it was really easy.  Loghain landed like 2 hits and it was over in like 30 seconds.  It's like Naked Barbarian Alistair has some sort of bonus we never knew about.

*friendly mocking*

Probably Loghain was so busy facepalming when he saw naked Ali and his fangirls that he had no time to fight back.

In-game property of Naked Alistair:

This look makes your foes sick and causes them to *facepalm*. Inflicts -40 attack and defense to all enemies around Alistair, and makes them facepalm unless they pass a mental resistance check. Facepalming adds another -100 defense and -20 armor penalty for the duration of the effect

:P:P:P:P:P

Hey, whatever works.    My personal theory is that the NBA calls forth Alistair's Alamarri blood.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 juin 2010 - 01:00 .