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Giggles_Manically wrote...

My Mage PC beat Loghain silly, Glyphs and Paralysis, plus Crushing Prison, is cheap.

Is it true that there was dialouge if you used Blood Magic in the Landsmeet. It would make sense since there are templars there who can see you.


Not true that I could ever tell.  My blood mage froze the blood of half the hall during the big hootenanny after she lost the vote, then crushed Loghain like a rag doll in the duel.  Nobody said boo.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

How come Loghain can lost so long in the duel, yet in the final battle he keeps dying! Although he did kill 3 ogres in the market!

In the duel he's a Lieutenant rank opponent. If he's made join the player as companion he's demoted to rank of regular grunt so PC's ego isn't threatened with someone else's superiority.

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tmp7704 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

How come Loghain can lost so long in the duel, yet in the final battle he keeps dying! Although he did kill 3 ogres in the market!

In the duel he's a Lieutenant rank opponent. If he's made join the player as companion he's demoted to rank of regular grunt so PC's ego isn't threatened with someone else's superiority.

Perhaps he pulled a muscle or threw out his back in the duel but, being Loghain, refuses to admit it.

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It's even more sad when you consider he starts as Boss rank opponent in the opening brawl. From hero to zero in single Landsmeet.

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tmp7704 wrote...

It's even more sad when you consider he starts as Boss rank opponent in the opening brawl. From hero to zero in single Landsmeet.

So Loghain IS the Archdemon. :D

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Initially, I couldn't stand Alistair's whining and thought he was a total arse. But he broke me down. I could never bring myself to say the mean, funny responses to his BS because, well, he's just too darn cute and in the end my whole game was based around me keeping him 'on side'. I was a little irritated that he wasn't sure if we could continue seeing each other, but... I stood by him all the way. Didn't even think twice about beheading Loghain and Anora could have the thrown for all I cared. I found out too late that I wouldn't actually be able to be Queen as I was a sodding Elf, so I thought I'd settle for us running off into the sunset as Grey Wardens... But, the captions at the end didn't say what I thought they'd say, about us "living happily ever after" so... here I go again.. as a noble this time.



Did I answer the thread or just go into a rant? Well, bottom line is I killed Loghain and enjoyed it. I would never allow him to get away with what he did. Especially after seeing Cailan in such a mess (Although I'm actually quite fond of him after reading the books) Understandly Alistair was mad about the idea, but maybe he'd have come back, when he'd had a cuppa and calmed down a bit.


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I wish I could have told him that he put me in charge of this sodding operation, and that I was going to whatever I deemed best like for the last year. But since He gets to act like a twerp, I gave up caring about him at that point or Eamon, which is why I stay on as chancelor, so no funny buisness goes on.

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Eamon is a ruthless guy, or as some people would eloquently call him: A dick.

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He just wants a puppet, what would have been fun was overthrowing Ferelden and installing yourseld as King! RazorFist on Rageaholic claimed to have done it but I think it is made up, But that would have been fun as an Mage, just announcing politely that Ferelden is now under your rule and taking all Sidious style. Thats what they should have done. Hehehe imagine doing that:

The Landsmeet is bickering about who will be king and then you can just throw it all out the door and become Emperor. That would have been a fun ending, ala Jade Empire/KOTOR style.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

Eamon is a ruthless guy, or as some people would eloquently call him: A dick.

And this is proved by?...

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Lord Gremlin wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Eamon is a ruthless guy, or as some people would eloquently call him: A dick.

And this is proved by?...

People tend to assume that since Eamon was in charge of raising Alistair and he tells you that it was made very clear to him that he'd never go near the throne so they blame all his insecurity and self-doubt on him. And Alistiar often goes around saying things like he slept in the kennel and Eamon sent him off to the Chantry when he was ten because Isolde threw a hissy-fit. Then once Eamon wants a Theirin King and no one else is avaiable all of a sudden he starts caring again? That said, I actually like Eamon. Posted Image

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Teagan is still cooler though.

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tmp7704 wrote...

In the duel he's a Lieutenant rank opponent. If he's made join the player as companion he's demoted to rank of regular grunt so PC's ego isn't threatened with someone else's superiority.


Fascinating.  Because while I said I had trouble dueling him with a superior Alistair, I crush him with my main every time.  I mean like Mike Tyson's Punch-Out in under 60 seconds.

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Using Two Handed Sweep is funny, since With all the stun and knock down attacks Loghain never really uses many abilities.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Teagan is still cooler though.


I've got a man crush on Teagan.  I still feel very macho when he shows up at the first Landsmeet in his armor and calls Loghain out.  It's like he's ready to throw down right there. 

Then there's the icing on the cake: "Did he do what was best for your husband, your majesty?"

That whole cutscene is full of machismo.

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I got the impression that Eamon was a die-hard traditionalist who genuinely believes that bloodlines are the most important aspect for determining rank and status, particularly when deciding who is worthy to sit on the throne.

EDIT: in the time I post the above, the discussion has already moved on to Teagan! This is why I don't normally do forums :blink:.

p.s. Who doesn't love Teagan?

p.p.s. As I press submit, I'll bet this discussion has already moved on to Anora.

Modifié par Oloria, 08 juin 2010 - 07:03 .


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p.s. Who doesn't love Teagan? 

Herr Uhl and...actually, it might just be him. Posted Image

Modifié par Sarah1281, 08 juin 2010 - 07:06 .


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Oloria wrote...

I got the impression that Eamon was a die-hard traditionalist who genuinely believes that bloodlines are the most important aspect for determining rank and status, particularly when deciding who is worthy to sit on the throne.


That's about right.  I'd bet most of the people on this thread, however, will go with the position that Eamon's traditionalism is what makes him weak.  Eamon fails to look at things practically.

I think Eamon is a good guy but overly idealistic.  It says somewhere in the codexes or in some writer's game notes that Eamon is the guy everybody likes, but he's not really a rainmaker.  The nobles forget about him until he says something.

Anyway - I'd agree with your assessment.  I'd also say the sharks will chew him up on a thread like this.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

Eamon is a ruthless guy, or as some people would eloquently call him: A dick.


This.

Was it just me?  Or did he present the Landsmeet idea as a completely strong option that would be well under his guidance only to turn around the minute after Loghain makes him soil his drawers to say "We have a very weak position" and send me on errands go to dirt-hunting?  I know the guy is just recovering from poison and demonic magic and such but c'mon!

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I hate politicans as a whole, and the way they were shown in DA was so true to life. Its like hello the horrible genocidal horde of demon spawn is coming and you are all "supping" with each other. The only time I agreed with Loghain in game is that Nobles are arse faces. Although trying to start my own Demcratic revolution would have been cool to do. MOB RULE FUREVER!

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

I hate politicans as a whole, and the way they were shown in DA was so true to life. Its like hello the horrible genocidal horde of demon spawn is coming and you are all "supping" with each other. The only time I agreed with Loghain in game is that Nobles are arse faces. Although trying to start my own Demcratic revolution would have been cool to do. MOB RULE FUREVER!


I found dwarven politics to be fascinating and hypocritical as well - so well written.  In the end Bhelen is better equipped to handle the deshers and actually get some things done.

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Asdara wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Eamon is a ruthless guy, or as some people would eloquently call him: A dick.


This.

Was it just me?  Or did he present the Landsmeet idea as a completely strong option that would be well under his guidance only to turn around the minute after Loghain makes him soil his drawers to say "We have a very weak position" and send me on errands go to dirt-hunting?  I know the guy is just recovering from poison and demonic magic and such but c'mon!

He said that the Landsmeet was not only their best option if they wanted to bring Loghain down but their only option. They needed someone with a better claim to the throne then Anora (who had no real claim but was already there and nobody really seemed to care since they were focused on Loghain's regency) and the best he could come up with was Alistair who was a bastard and unrecognized plus knows nothing about what he needs to do. It's a strong enough cases to call the Landsmeet but the nobles all think Anora knows what she's doing and Loghain is a competent general for her armies and they note that they really don't have time for this with the Blight getting more serious.

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How many votes does it take to win the Landsmeet, there are

5 Nobles

Anora

Chantry



I believe each of them counts as one vote, or does Anora, The Chantry, or that noble you pick up in the Crow quest actually count as more than one.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

How many votes does it take to win the Landsmeet, there are
5 Nobles
Anora
Chantry

I believe each of them counts as one vote, or does Anora, The Chantry, or that noble you pick up in the Crow quest actually count as more than one.

I believe Anora is worth three noble's votes.

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Hanz54321 wrote...

Oloria wrote...

I got the impression that Eamon was a die-hard traditionalist who genuinely believes that bloodlines are the most important aspect for determining rank and status, particularly when deciding who is worthy to sit on the throne.


That's about right.  I'd bet most of the people on this thread, however, will go with the position that Eamon's traditionalism is what makes him weak.  Eamon fails to look at things practically.

I think Eamon is a good guy but overly idealistic.  It says somewhere in the codexes or in some writer's game notes that Eamon is the guy everybody likes, but he's not really a rainmaker.  The nobles forget about him until he says something.

Anyway - I'd agree with your assessment.  I'd also say the sharks will chew him up on a thread like this.

Not only blood lines, but the legend of Calenhad. And he is not wrong.  Ferelden is a loose confederation of free tribes and there is little that binds them other than a few cultural touchstones and some shared history.  Calenhad's legend is a powerful one of these.  Even though it is somewhat an illusion (Loghain was the brains behind Maric, for instance), it was Moira and later Maric who rallied the rebellion.  If you cede Theirin pre-eminence in the royal pecking order, then it becomes a squabble for who gets 2nd, 3rd, 4th or whichever spot ends up left standing when the dust settles.   Eamon wants to avoid a War of the Roses scenario.

I'm not an Eamon hater.  I don't think he's an idealist.  A royalist, yes, but not without good reasons.