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[Thesuperdevil]

I think the decision between saving the refinery while allowing Vido to flee and condemning the workers while letting Zaeed kill Vido is easily the most interesting of all of the loyalty missions, on par with some of the main storyline missions.

On one hand, you let Zaeed claim his revenge, killing a highly dangerous and cruel leader who could live on to kill countless others, but you allow an entire refinery with perhaps over a hundred workers burn to death; on the other hand, you can save the refinery and most of the workers (it is likely that some die before you can put out the fire), but allow Vido to escape and perhaps even make yourself a future target for Zaeed, whom we all know is quite the deadly mercenary.

One should be careful in comparing the refinery decision to the BDtS decision, in that the number of people you sacrifice in the latter is significantly less (I believe it was no more than five people) in order to take out the "target", in that case, Balak...not to mention the hostages died instantly, whereas the refinery workers most probably burned to death.

I am curious to see how you all handled this decision and want to hear your supporting arguements. You may also consider factors beyond what is immediately obivious, such as the economic/industrial impacts of the loss of the refinery or even the workers, for example.

[Foolsfolly]

I handle it differently per character.



Were this real life...I'd kill Vido. Reading the planet's description clearly shows that this whole planet is run by the Blue Suns. Saving the workers saves them, obviously, but it's not liberating them from their slavery. It's not even a fix...it's just saying, "Hey, you're not dying here now but when the Blue Suns come back through here they'll collect you and maybe punish you for not burning while the equipment burned."



So, I guess...it's not a fix. There's nothing waiting for the slaves other than more enslavement when the Blue Suns come back, and they will because we're not being stationed there to defend them.



Plus I'd rather have AR damage bonus over the Heavy Weapons Ammo bonus since I rarely run out of Heavy Weapon Ammo anyway.

[Cheese Elemental]

I like leaving it until after the suicide mission so Zaeed can be left to burn.

It's the best trolling ever.

[TuringPoint]

It is an interesting choice. I'd rather not have Zaeed in my game, honestly. He's an ok character, he has some redeeming qualities, it's just... blah, I don't know.

[Bookman230]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

I like leaving it until after the suicide mission so Zaeed can be left to burn.
It's the best trolling ever.

SHEPAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRD! BOOM!

Much as I love Zaeed, the voice acting there cracks me up.

[Bogsnot1]

Thesuperdevil wrote...

On one hand, you let Zaeed claim his revenge, killing a highly dangerous and cruel leader who could live on to kill countless others, but you allow an entire refinery with perhaps over a hundred workers burn to death; on the other hand, you can save the refinery and most of the workers (it is likely that some die before you can put out the fire), but allow Vido to escape and perhaps even make yourself a future target for Zaeed, whom we all know is quite the deadly mercenary......

You do have the Paragon option of convincing Zaeed to put his quest for vengeance aside until after the Suicide mission is done.



When you read the planet description it does say it is run by the Blue Suns, but I would suggest you listen to Zaeed more carefully when you recruit him. He tells you how he has a contract with come corporation to liberate their refinary from the Blue Suns. The workers used to be your standard joes earning a buck, until Vido came in guns blazing. Letting them die and you are killing innocents, end of story. You find yourself placed ni the very situation Anderson was in with Nihlus, only you have the power to stop the innocents from dying.

I only let them die if I'm a renegade myself. Paragons always let them live. Dont forget you have the resources of TIM/Cerberus, Liara, the Alliance, and the Citadel/Spectres at your disposal to track Vido down once you have taken care of immediate business.

I do have some small hope that "unfinished business" like Vido, Toombs, Elnora and such will be released as a "placating DLC" when they announce that ME3 has been delayed.

[Chuvvy]

I kill Vido, he's the leader of the entire organization better to put him down then save the workers. Garrus and I are Chaotic Good bros.

[Lemonwizard]

I thought the decision was dumb because in the real world, you could split up or, I don't know, call in the Normandy and follow Vido's gunship after you saved the workers. I really thought the whole premise of it was a huge wall banger.

[PillarBiter]

In my first playthrough, I saved the hostages, but only because i didnt know vido would get away. On second and after that, I usually kill vido. You can see it's only like 10 people or so you save, so killing vido is for the best, I think.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

My most recent playthrough i decided that saving the people, and then not paragoning zaeed's loyalty back gives him an INTERESTING story arc when i send him to escort the crew back at the end of the collector ship. Hearing that he died saving them makes it sound like he changed as a person due to what I did on his mission. I'm also a stickler for trying to figure out the best combination of "tragedy" and "impact" for the game. (getting tali exhiled, then siding with legion is a good setup for her messing up while closing the door and then getting shot in the facemask, her defining character trait. (I just wish they'd cracked the mask after she got shot, even though it's only for a few frames where you can see it)

[Lt Davo]

On my first three playthroughs, I saved the workers. On my fourth, I let them die and went after Vido. That choice was very unsatisfying. I've always argued that "renegade" and "evil" are different; that Shepard can either be a paragon hero or a renegade hero, but either way, he's still a hero. Letting the workers die isn't renegade; it's evil.



Even looking at it just from a standpoint of how the choice affects Zaeed's loyalty, I still think it's wrong. If you're on my team, you've got to play by my rules. The Zaeed who sets the factory on fire is a loose cannon, and I don't want him on my team or on my ship. He has to be taught to fall in line and follow my orders, otherwise he's liable to get me or my squad killed, or jeopardize the mission. Letting him get away with that stunt sends the wrong message about who's in command.

[Asheer_Khan]

Slidell505 wrote...

I kill Vido, he's the leader of the entire organization better to put him down then save the workers. Garrus and I are Chaotic Good bros.

Suuuure... like Blue Suns can't replace dead Vido whit even more ruthless leader...

[ResidentNoob]

I let Zaeed have his revenge.



I hate having to sacrifice innocents to do it, but we're talking about the leader of the Blue Suns here. The freakin' Leader. I think that, in the long run, it's going to be worth it. And when you have a man on your squad who's been looking for said leader for 20 years, you won't want to get in his way any time soon.

[Asheer_Khan]

ResidentNoob wrote...

I let Zaeed have his revenge.

I hate having to sacrifice innocents to do it, but we're talking about the leader of the Blue Suns here. The freakin' Leader. I think that, in the long run, it's going to be worth it. And when you have a man on your squad who's been looking for said leader for 20 years, you won't want to get in his way any time soon.

HELLO!

Zaeed want his revenge for hurting pride of overthroned Blue Suns leader not from some altruistic reasons to made galaxy safe from scum like Vido.

In case of that mission Zaeed is your underdog but letting him practicly take over command of this mission and chase Vido ignoring your primary goal you show leadership weakness and undeserved practicly anyone of your sqadmate loyalty.

Zaeed MUST to learn his place in team and fact that my Shep don't tolerate insubordinations, (*VADER's voice* "YOU FAIL ME FOR THE LAST TIME ZAEED") so one more stunt like that refinery and he will see airlock from the OUTSIDE.

Beside killing Vido is counterproductive  because he will be pretty quick replaced by another perhaps even more ruthless leader because i am pretty sure that there is in off "qualifed" guns to take over where Vido left so his death will change nothing in general picture.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 07 juin 2010 - 06:54 .

[Nizzemancer]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

You find yourself placed ni the very situation Anderson was in with Nihlus, only you have the power to stop the innocents from dying.

*cough*saren*cough*

[Markinator_123]

Paragon or renegade Zaeed was out of line as far as I'm concerned. I always save the hostages and tell him to fall in line with the charm option. Sometimes I wish leaving him to burn in that mess he created was an option (not saying that I would do it but still). Zaeed acted like an evil idiot on his loyalty mission.

[KalosCast]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Paragon or renegade Zaeed was out of line as far as I'm concerned. I always save the hostages and tell him to fall in line with the charm option. Sometimes I wish leaving him to burn in that mess he created was an option (not saying that I would do it but still). Zaeed acted like an evil idiot on his loyalty mission.

It is if you finish the suicide mission first.

[ciaweth]

I paragon'ed it all the way through--saved the workers, and then bullied Zaeed into loyalty. He needed to be taught that my femShep was in fact the alpha male here, not him!

[Markinator_123]

KalosCast wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

Paragon or renegade Zaeed was out of line as far as I'm concerned. I always save the hostages and tell him to fall in line with the charm option. Sometimes I wish leaving him to burn in that mess he created was an option (not saying that I would do it but still). Zaeed acted like an evil idiot on his loyalty mission.

It is if you finish the suicide mission first.

I know but it seems pretty pointless to continue playing after the suicide mission.

[The Elite Elite]

Lt Davo wrote...
Even looking at it just from a standpoint of how the choice affects Zaeed's loyalty, I still think it's wrong. If you're on my team, you've got to play by my rules. The Zaeed who sets the factory on fire is a loose cannon, and I don't want him on my team or on my ship. He has to be taught to fall in line and follow my orders, otherwise he's liable to get me or my squad killed, or jeopardize the mission. Letting him get away with that stunt sends the wrong message about who's in command.

As someone who always kills Balak in the BDTS DLC, I competely agree with this. Zaeed wanted his revenage, alright fine. We'll go kill Vido. But then he goes and sets the refinery on fire, condeming innocents to death just to make things a little easier for himself. Unacceptable. Zaeed needs to learn that this is my mission and my ship, so it's MY rules. Either get in line and follow my orders, or if you don't like it, leave.

[C9316]

*sigh* It is an interesting choice I guess I boils down to perspective. For me I usually save the workers in the refinery. My first point is what most people have already stated; if zaeed hadn't done his version of the renegade interrupt we wouldn't have had to choose between the two anyway. Also I think you should always be focused on the mission at hand; zaeed decided to selfishly put his own goals ahead of the mission. So he should have to accept the consequences of his foolish action which is of course saving those innocents who he condemned. In other words zaeed had to learn that the mission always comes first save your petty revenge for later.

[AntiChri5]

I save the hostages even though i kill Balak in BDtS.



We know that the Blue Suns are an organisation with a command structure with ranks. Someone else will simply step into his position so there is no reason to prioritise his death aside from bending over backwards to accommodate a mercenary who refuses to follow orders and risks the mission. If i wanted to blow up the damn refinery i would used the Normandy to launch an orbital bombardment Zaeed.

[Chuvvy]

Lemonwizard wrote...

I thought the decision was dumb because in the real world, you could split up or, I don't know, call in the Normandy and follow Vido's gunship after you saved the workers. I really thought the whole premise of it was a huge wall banger.

This.

[nikki191]

i would of liked a reference at the end to save the workers and promise zaeed you will help him hunt down vido