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[Shepard Lives]

My Sheps:

Paragon/Paragade Shepard: after a minute of uncertainty he went "No freaking way, I'm not leaving those poor saps to burn alive just so this wackjob can get his revenge." I did charm him into snapping out of his murderous rage and helping me, though.

Renegade Shepard: "Okay, if I let those guys die I get to kill a seriously dangerous mercenary leader, and this psycho will be loyal to me, increasing my chances of goddamn saving humanity, and not just a few workers, from a terrible doom. ...Let's do this."

As usual, it boils down to being a true, selfless hero or sacrificing a few to save many.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Don't really want the loyalty of a psycho... (who I can't control, at least with Jack she'll play ball and she mellows with bombing pragia, and her loyalty mission wasn't BS that required me toasting some factory workers - I didn't like that. If he want's revenge don't make it cost other peoples lives... lame Zaeed, lame!)

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 11 juin 2010 - 10:54 .

[Heimdall]

I saved the workers and Paragoned Zaeed into loyalty. I'm hoping to find Vido and Balak working together someday so I can shoot them both...

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 11 juin 2010 - 10:53 .

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Lord Aesir wrote...
I saved the workers and Paragoned Zaeed into loyalty. I'm hoping to find Vido and Balak working together someday so I can shoot them both...

Hmm, I thought you said Zaeed and Balak working together so you can shoot them both... then I reread it.. I liked the first reading (Even though it was wrong)

[Dean_the_Young]

Does anyone really think that if they choose to let Vido go that Vido won't continue the same thing at other places and to other people, where Shepard won't be around to stop him?

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Dean and Shand... you are on this thread aswell!!

Yer, bloody Zaeed has to fall into line or say hello to mama vacuum imo

[Dean_the_Young]

With no specific person intended, I do find it amusing how many avowed paragons justify Shepard butting into people's decisions and overruling their choices for them in the name of leadership and control and dominance, but find no discrepancy when in other threads they blast others (an all human council, for example) for dominating others.

[Dean_the_Young]

I find that fear to be inflated out of proportion, since Zaeed's actions gave a significant advantage to your team and the mission is his to achieve. You might as well include any initiative or opinion by any team member as a cause for concern: Jacob confronted the Illusive Man, therefore he must clearly be a diplomatic incident waiting to happen and should be let go. Tali wanted to hide her father's involvement: why should I expect her to be honest with important discoveries to me? Garrus fiddled with the ship systems in a way that forced my engineers to react and try and balance: what if we had been attacked? No cooperation with the rest of my crew. Etc. etc.



I find it less that Zaeed is a danger of acting rogue and endangering the team, and more that people are personally offended that someone dared do something without prior permission.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Ya Dean, some mind is given to the circumstances surrounding both the person, your relationship to them, the attendant morality within that dynamic and how that both directly and indirectly affects your perception and reasoned belief concerning both their character and the results arising from it.

So it's certainly possible given all those factors that relatively opposing positions can arise say for Tali and Zaeed, even though superficially their approach seems like not so different.

[Dean_the_Young]

Shandepared wrote...

Dean, with your examples I find that you are the one exaggerating fears in this case. Zaeed set the refinery on fire. He's lucky he didn't kill all of us.

Since we weren't near the explosive dangers and were outside the pipes of the refinery, I never felt that we were in danger from the explosion he triggered. Surprised by what he did, sure, but despite the cheesiness I never felt we were endangered.

I was deliberately exaggerating fears to make a point on how I feel the fears of Zaeed were exagerated.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
Dean, with your examples I find that you are the one exaggerating fears in this case. Zaeed set the refinery on fire. He's lucky he didn't kill all of us.

Since we weren't near the explosive dangers and were outside the pipes of the refinery, I never felt that we were in danger from the explosion he triggered. Surprised by what he did, sure, but despite the cheesiness I never felt we were endangered.
I was deliberately exaggerating fears to make a point on how I feel the fears of Zaeed were exagerated.

At least you're not foreign to having form reflect content as a device...

[Dean_the_Young]

That last half makes no sense. Please reword.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
Dean, with your examples I find that you are the one exaggerating fears in this case. Zaeed set the refinery on fire. He's lucky he didn't kill all of us.

Since we weren't near the explosive dangers and were outside the pipes of the refinery, I never felt that we were in danger from the explosion he triggered. Surprised by what he did, sure, but despite the cheesiness I never felt we were endangered.
I was deliberately exaggerating fears to make a point on how I feel the fears of Zaeed were exagerated.

At least you're not foreign to having form reflect content as a device...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
That last half makes no sense. Please reword.

Doing this with you is half instructive, half pathetic.... (I hope you'll take that as half insult, half complement)
Ok, one sec.
I
am not averse to participating in this because you have asked... but
usually one wold assume that if you have the mind to say: "I was deliberately exaggerating fears to make a point on how I feel the fears of Zaeed were exagerated." that you have the mind to know that you have "embodied the words in their manifestation as they act upon the psyche".
I think you do know that... and that is certainly a literary device and not just a literary device.
In essence that answers your query I think. Perhaps it would be helpful to read it as this:
"At least you're not foreign to having "form reflect content" as a literary or instructive device" ?

[Dean_the_Young]

I'll take it as an entirely weak retort.



Literary device: That adjective makes it much clearer, though the phrasing is still awkward. 'reflecting' would probably be more correct.



Since I assume you were addressing the later half of my post, it might have been clearer to write 'At least you're not foreign to using exaggeration as a device...'



Much clearer and specific all around.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I'll take it as an entirely weak retort.

Literary device: That adjective makes it much clearer, though the phrasing is still awkward. 'reflecting' would probably be more correct.

Since I assume you were addressing the later half of my post, it might have been clearer to write 'At least you're not foreign to using exaggeration as a device...'

Much clearer and specific all around.

Nope you're wrong about most of what you just said.. wait I better check which parts you are right about. Yeah Dean you are actually probably pretty much wrong about everything you just said.
To be fair though, you are getting better at this.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...
JohnnyBeGood2 you are either much better educated than I am or not a native English speaker.

Hey Shand, Im an aussie, but I do get lazy sometimes when I write "internetz style"

[Dean_the_Young]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I'll take it as an entirely weak retort.

Literary device: That adjective makes it much clearer, though the phrasing is still awkward. 'reflecting' would probably be more correct.

Since I assume you were addressing the later half of my post, it might have been clearer to write 'At least you're not foreign to using exaggeration as a device...'

Much clearer and specific all around.

Nope you're wrong about most of what you just said.. wait I better check which parts you are right about. Yeah Dean you are actually probably pretty much wrong about everything you just said.
To be fair though, you are getting better at this.

You need to work on the delivery. Format would probably help: three periods is proper for a trailing of like so... and full grammer (I had better, or I'd better if you favor contractions) to complete the sentences.

Commas are also desirable when appropriate, as they provide a better flow of wording than when you just leave everything but the period out. And if you use them, use them everywhere appropriate: you can't be inconsistent or it detracts from the zinger. Spacing out between lines for the follow up also gives a similar spacing of pace, rather than a single run-on narrative. Consider italicization when appropriate:

To be fair, though, you are getting better at this.

See how the first comma separates the word 'though,' as if giving a lazy pause for the sarcastic concession? The italicized 'are' also denotes that added stress, and condecension.

Syntax isn't just simply something you can laze your way through: it shapes how your words appears to others. Tighten it up and you'll be a witty intelligent smartass in not time. Until then, though I'll have to give you a C+ for execution, though I might bump it up to a C++ if you catch the pun.

[Sailears]

If there was the option to split up, I'd let Zaeed go after Vido, and take the other squad member with Shepard to save the factory workers.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
I'll take it as an entirely weak retort.
Literary device: That adjective makes it much clearer, though the phrasing is still awkward. 'reflecting' would probably be more correct.
Since I assume you were addressing the later half of my post, it might have been clearer to write 'At least you're not foreign to using exaggeration as a device...'
Much clearer and specific all around.

Nope you're wrong about most of what you just said.. wait I better check which parts you are right about. Yeah Dean you are actually probably pretty much wrong about everything you just said.
To be fair though, you are getting better at this.

You need to work on the delivery. Format would probably help: three periods is proper for a trailing of like so... and full grammer (I had better, or I'd better if you favor contractions) to complete the sentences.
Commas are also desirable when appropriate, as they provide a better flow of wording than when you just leave everything but the period out. And if you use them, use them everywhere appropriate: you can't be inconsistent or it detracts from the zinger. Spacing out between lines for the follow up also gives a similar spacing of pace, rather than a single run-on narrative. Consider italicization when appropriate:
To be fair, though, you are getting better at this.
See how the first comma separates the word 'though,' as if giving a lazy pause for the sarcastic concession? The italicized 'are' also denotes that added stress, and condecension.
Syntax isn't just simply something you can laze your way through: it shapes how your words appears to others. Tighten it up and you'll be a witty intelligent smartass in not time. Until then, though I'll have to give you a C+ for execution, though I might bump it up to a C++ if you catch the pun.

no worries