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[Lord Gremlin]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...
 And, just saying, I loved Sapkowski's books.

Yesh! You are my man! Or girl. Or whatever.
The game itself isn't that bad but I think it doesn't do a big justice to the books.

Especially if you consider the epilogue in the book, where Witcher actually got married... Hilarious, but happy ending.
And that's man, this avatar is one of my DAO characters.

[Funkjoker]

Lord Gremlin wrote...
Well, this game was bad enough to actually bore me to the point that I stopped playing, deleted it and never returned to it. It's just generally bad when a game - product, that's meant to entertain people - can be so boring.
I don't know what happens to the detective you hire, but I bet he'll be killed. This game is sometimes very predictable, boring and full of stereotypes. And, just saying, I loved Sapkowski's books.

It's really no problem if this game doesn't fit your style, I'm just posting here because this game is one of the best (adult) games I have played so far.
I'm glad you mention the mission about the detective, because he's not someone who's going "just to be killed", the whole mission around and about him ist quite tricky and - believe me - you can come up with absolutely false conclusions if you don't play this game properly. The best part about this: it's all related to the story. There is nothing compared to this mission in DA. I'm not bashing DA, I'm just comparing both games.

Compared to all those stupid T-rated games, both Dragon Age and The Witcher are really superb as they bring fresh wind in this genre: RPGs for adults. That's what I want. And both of them do this wonderfully. More please!

[maxernst]

I haven't played the Witcher but I wouldn't be surprised, as atmosphere is not really a strength in DA:O with the exception of a few places (Hespith/Brood Mother and the orphanage in the Alienage pop to mind). It's not that I don't like the setting. I think the Chantry, the spins on mages and elves are interesting enough to elevate it from generic fantasy land; I like it better than Forgotten Realms or Cyrodil. However, during gameplay (as opposed to the wonderfully written dialogs), I rarely felt like I was passing through a real world...it just feels too static. There's no weather, no day/night changes, people just stand there waiting for the PC to talk to them. As good as the game is (and I do think DA:O is one of the best RPG's I've played), it isn't particularly atmospheric.

[Arrtis]

JSS wrote...

Dragon age has one good thing. Good character interaction....The story was nothing special.

il agree on that.except i liked the different choices.

[Rzepik2]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...
 And, just saying, I loved Sapkowski's books.

Yesh! You are my man! Or girl. Or whatever.
The game itself isn't that bad but I think it doesn't do a big justice to the books.

Especially if you consider the epilogue in the book, where Witcher actually got married... Hilarious, but happy ending.
And that's man, this avatar is one of my DAO characters.

Erm... "The Wedding" is just a joke written as a... wedding gift.

Modifié par Rzepik2, 07 juin 2010 - 07:19 .

[Dreadstruck]

Rzepik2 wrote...
Erm... "The Wedding" is just a joke written as a... wedding gift.

Yes, according to Sapkowski, it's not canon. Sorta.
Anyway, I am not sure if I get that stuff with amnesia in the game. Does not make a sense when at the end of the... wait, you guys have read the whole saga already? Don't want to spoil anything.

[kraidy1117]

Books where good, never cared for the books. Loved DAO tho.

[Velmarg]

What does that even mean...?

[Khayness]

The morality in The Witcher actually leaves you thinking about it, it doesn't end up being a farmfest for points for a goodness/evilness bar.

[Tirigon]

Khayness wrote...

The morality in The Witcher actually leaves you thinking about it, it doesn't end up being a farmfest for points for a goodness/evilness bar.

True, DAO and ME should really get rid of the approval / paragade points.

[Sinferno]

I've played WoW since vanilla and the whole "gear" thing doesn't give me that high i used to get. I could care less about a game that has new gear at this point. I want something different like "Your biceps have inceased insize by 1% for swinging a 2 hander this many times!"
 
I bought The Witcher a week ago on steam and i've enjoyed it. The atmosphere truely is awesome and the click timing is interesting. I think combat  needs more reflex and player interaction instead of just "click" and watch the game work for you and i think thats what CDprojekt might have been trying to go for. I enjoy not feeling like my hand is being held in a video game and nowadays that feeling is rare but The Witcher's indepth alchemy and non linear gameplay is something i've missed. I like when NPC's talk about a dangerous monster and they talk it up over and over and when you acually fight it its just as hard as they said it is. Makes the world feel dangerous and The Witcher feels very dangerous.

I do agree with a previous poster that said CDprojekt isn't even a big company or RPG veterens compared to EA/Bioware. They made a game, converted it to english, worked on it and made it better for free. I'm impressed. In a time where players are expecting fun and exploisions around every corner i understand how people could get bored of The Witcher. 

Modifié par Sinferno, 07 juin 2010 - 09:30 .

[danien.grey]

Sinferno wrote...

I've played WoW since vanilla and the whole "gear" thing doesn't give me that high i used to get. I could care less about a game that has new gear at this point.

I'm not going to quote your whole post, which was well-written and showed a great deal of thought, but I would like to point out that the bolded/underlined part of the quote above makes absolutely no sense.  Do you mean to say you "couldn't care less" (as in you don't care about new gear at all) or that you still care somewhat but don't care as much as you used to?  I'm confused.

What David Mitchell has to say about American Slang

Now, back to the topic at hand.  I've played both Witcher and DA, and they both have their merits.  While I feel that the interactive combat and atmosphere of the Witcher could be argued to be superior, the voice acting and overall storyline were not transposed from the novels very well.  There are some that argue the "free enhanced patch" CDProjeckt released is what the game should have been in the first place, so releasing it for free was a good idea.

Dragon Age isn't without its flaws either.  Even though the voice acting is top notch and the story pretty well written, there are technical faults and some argue the overall design philosophy is tedious (everyone knows the certain timesink I'm referring to in the Circle of the Magi).

Overall I prefer Dragon Age, but that's just me...which leads me to my final point...

As far as making a blanketing statement like "mmm witcher is better than DA", something like that is too subjective to present as a simple truth.  Different people will prefer different types of games (this is a normal part of humanity) and what you like, someone else might not.  A good discussion regardless though.

Modifié par danien.grey, 08 juin 2010 - 12:40 .

[Sinferno]

danien.grey wrote...

Sinferno wrote...

I've played WoW since vanilla and the whole "gear" thing doesn't give me that high i used to get. I could care less about a game that has new gear at this point.

I'm not going to quote your whole post, which was well-written and showed a great deal of thought, but I would like to point out that the bolded/underlined part of the quote above makes absolutely no sense.  Do you mean to say you "couldn't care less" (as in you don't care about new gear at all) or that you still care somewhat but don't care as much as you used to?  I'm confused.

As i was reading this thread, before i posted,, i read a few posts relating to gear in RPG's (I should have probably quoted). People were annoyed by RPG's that didn't have various gear because there characters always look the same. I was just giving my personal opinion that i've played so many RPG's that make you grind gear to further develope your character that the whole game itself is based on nothing but obtaining new gear and looking pretty. I don't care about gear nearly as much as i used to thats for sure. Its always nice to keep looking different but it shouldn't be the focus and driving force to continue playing in my opinion whether its a MMO or just a regular RPG. Saying a RPG sucks because it doesnt have enough gear just seems silly to me.

[danien.grey]

Sinferno wrote...

As i was reading this thread, before i posted,, i read a few posts relating to gear in RPG's (I should have probably quoted). People were annoyed by RPG's that didn't have various gear because there characters always look the same. I was just giving my personal opinion that i've played so many RPG's that make you grind gear to further develope your character that the whole game itself is based on nothing but obtaining new gear and looking pretty. I don't care about gear nearly as much as i used to thats for sure. Its always nice to keep looking different but it shouldn't be the focus and driving force to continue playing in my opinion whether its a MMO or just a regular RPG. Saying a RPG sucks because it doesnt have enough gear just seems silly to me.

I was trying to pretend to be ignorant and say it was confusing (which it really was) but I already knew that you actually wanted to say "I couldn't care less about gear in RPGs" and not "I could care less about gear in RPGs".  It was also an awesome opportunity to link David Mitchell's rant about that phrase "I could care less" and how nonsensical it is. LOL :happy:

[BellaStrega]

Stanley Woo wrote...

And Dragon age is dark fantasy? compared to The Witcher its like pokemon for gamboy... I been playing for like 1 hour and i already heard a dwarf talking about [explicit sex] and been told to **** off....



[No foul language, please.]

Yeah, uh, foul language isn't atmosphere.

I agree that The Witcher has some excellent atmosphere, but what you picked to illustrate it says more about you than about the game.

[BellaStrega]

What? Stanley Woo didn't write that post, he just ninja-edited it!

[searanox]

They really are very different games. The Witcher is all about solving quests and making decisions during the story... Dragon Age is far more focused on character development and strategy. I do agree that The Witcher has a much stronger atmosphere than Dragon Age, and frankly some of the best music in an RPG I've ever heard.  The Witcher's moral decision-making is also done better than in Dragon Age, which usually boils down to fairly simple good/evil choices.  In The Witcher, most decisions you make are between sides with different, but equally valid ideas and motives.  The translation and voice acting is occasionally rough, but overall I found Geralt to be such a compelling character that I didn't care about the lack of customisation I had over him.

I do have to say how pleased I am with CD Projekt.  The Witcher was their first game and it was an excellent release by all standards, and it got even better as they continued to support it post-release.  They're also responsible for GOG.com, which is by far the best digital distribution service around.  The Witcher 2 strikes me as a very high-quality game even early in development, with some incredible visuals and even stronger atmosphere.  If there's a game I'm looking forward to, The Witcher 2 is probably it.  Most importantly, though, CD Projekt seem genuine - they really care about the games they make, they care about their fans, and they understand that you don't have to be jerks to be successful as a business.

Modifié par searanox, 08 juin 2010 - 01:25 .

[Ganondorf2002]

I've played both witcher and DA several times. Each one is good in their own respect. And neither are really comparable since they are two types of fantasy games. Although I must admit I am excited about witcher 2 for next year.

[Arttis]

i could care less conveys is another way of saying i care but i do not want to tell you how much because the amount i care is very negative thus usually seen as very low and is often mistaken as a mistake of a perosn trying to say i couldn't care less.

But then i could be wrong.

[robotnist]

JSS wrote...

Only just started playing witcher and already enjoying it far more the DA. The witcher has something DA never had....atmosphere!

i will take DA's "lack" of environment plus its great gameplay over the witcher anyday.

DAO playtime= nov 21st till now, average of 10 hours a week. and thats after 2 -3 months straight of every day for 3-6 hours a day.

the Witcher= played it on and off since launch a total average of 5 min a week since release... with the best streak of maybe 3 days straight @ 2-3 hours a day.

gameplay for me wins.

[Beerfish]

I tried to play the Witcher twice and it held a lot of promise but too be honest I just despised the combat game play. Silly thing to get caught up on but I just didn't enjoy it at all.

[Wicked 702]

Behindyounow wrote...

Oh, then I'll give it a miss then. I dont want to play the game as some silver haired douche.

<<< Though I'm no douche. A**h*** most definitely.

[AlanC9]

Sinferno wrote...
 I was just giving my personal opinion that i've played so many RPG's that make you grind gear to further develope your character that the whole game itself is based on nothing but obtaining new gear and looking pretty. I don't care about gear nearly as much as i used to thats for sure. Its always nice to keep looking different but it shouldn't be the focus and driving force to continue playing in my opinion whether its a MMO or just a regular RPG. Saying a RPG sucks because it doesnt have enough gear just seems silly to me.

Absolutely. Over-reliance on inventory to distinguish is a very bad design habit in CRPGs. PnP systems have been over this for decades.

[Chromie]

The only reason I wouldnt The Witcher didnt get rpg of the year was because Mass Effect 1 was released in the same year...

[grieferbastard]

I woke up this morning and realized that I, in fact, have an opinion on something. In fact, I have opinions on a lot of things. Being someone who frequents forums, I inexplicably believe that my opinion is in fact TRUTH and thus anyone who disagrees with me is obviously wrong. Also, I have this incredible, illogical urge to share my opinion and then ruthlessly defend it as though someone not agreeing with my personal opinion on something so utterly subjective as what sort of character I like to play in a game is as critical as something with real life impact - like what sports team I root for or what soda I drink.

I like DA:O more than Witcher. More replayability. Thus, everyone who likes the Witcher is wrong, and is a bad person who deserves bad things to happen to them. In fact I'm going to be gathering signatures for legislation requring the parents of everyone who likes the Witcher to submit a written appology to society for not having raised their children properly. I will not be responding to anyone who disagrees with me, because by disagreeing with me you are clearly identifying yourself as being wrong and a bad person, thus not worth the time to argue with.

See, now THAT is blatant trolling. the original poster tried for a more subtle approach that seems to have got quite a few nibbles. I bet I still get a few replies trying to debate the validity of my opinion.